What about Montreal? Will they tank to get a lottery pick? Will they move Domi or Kotkaniemi if Rangers 1st is in the deal? It will mean a lot to them to win the draft lottery and draft Lafreniere. After all he is a french canadian from the Montreal area.
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Why don’t we wait more than 2 games to assess what’s here before going out to try to make dramatic franchise altering trades?
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Also, how often are young top 2 line centers dealt early in a season? If, during a season at all?
I was just asking if Lafreniere means so much to Montreal that they would be willing to trade for picks that could be lottery picks. I do not know. And we are talking well in to the season. If Rangers look to make the playoffs, the pick does not mean anything to Montreal.
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I was more responding to the conversation in general than your quote specifically. My apologies.
... but in regards to your thought, I don't see MTL touching that. I don't think they will trade high end young talent for another 3% chance at the top pick. Likewise, I don't see the Rangers making that deal if they feel that they will have a top 5-8 pick.
Wow a barely 20 year old center needs work on the defensive side of the puck. Shocking News at 11
how bout we give Chytil a little bit of time to cook and work on that part of his game. Guys like him don’t grow on trees.
how bout we give Chytil a little bit of time to cook and work on that part of his game. Guys like him don’t grow on trees.
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That's very true and it's why I don't think the Rangers will rush to address it. Not unless something optimal falls into their laps. However, a full season of nobody stepping up to take that 2C role is going to start putting pressure on the front office as well as the players. Ticking off a year of Panarin and Trouba, and Zibanejad on a sweet deal, is only going to increase said pressure.
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its pretty clear this organization is very high on filip and they should be
the message was clear, at each level, your play without the puck matters more. the players who play best away from the puck earn the coaches trust fastest- even without top talent. think: fast, jesper.
chytil doesnt have the understanding or intuitiveness to play 2C right outa the gate. 19 yr old 2C's just dont happen very often. the defensive responsibilities at center are more than fil can handle right now and Quinn knows that. he knew it last year. he's not ready.
lets stop trying to force him into that spot. he belongs on the edge where he can skate up and down the wall.
howden ? chad ?? eh, not sold on either as a line driving 2C.
the 2C answer is from outside the organization. its pretty clear. question is, do they have the cahones to make a bold move to add a true center to this top 6 ? we have the ammo. we have the pieces to make a deal. we are heavy on D prospects and many teams need young D. it can be done. JG can make deals.
we know even if we draft a dynamic center in the top 10 in june of 20, he prob. won't help right way. a bold move is the only way to address this huge hole while mika and panarin are raging.
and if they do, they are signaling they want playoffs this season.
dark horse center in the organization ?? morgan barron. the big horse from halifax who is the C for the big red this year. hes a few years away and again, may not be a true 2C.
hang on folks.
the message was clear, at each level, your play without the puck matters more. the players who play best away from the puck earn the coaches trust fastest- even without top talent. think: fast, jesper.
chytil doesnt have the understanding or intuitiveness to play 2C right outa the gate. 19 yr old 2C's just dont happen very often. the defensive responsibilities at center are more than fil can handle right now and Quinn knows that. he knew it last year. he's not ready.
lets stop trying to force him into that spot. he belongs on the edge where he can skate up and down the wall.
howden ? chad ?? eh, not sold on either as a line driving 2C.
the 2C answer is from outside the organization. its pretty clear. question is, do they have the cahones to make a bold move to add a true center to this top 6 ? we have the ammo. we have the pieces to make a deal. we are heavy on D prospects and many teams need young D. it can be done. JG can make deals.
we know even if we draft a dynamic center in the top 10 in june of 20, he prob. won't help right way. a bold move is the only way to address this huge hole while mika and panarin are raging.
and if they do, they are signaling they want playoffs this season.
dark horse center in the organization ?? morgan barron. the big horse from halifax who is the C for the big red this year. hes a few years away and again, may not be a true 2C.
hang on folks.
It will all come down to how much does he want to be a part of what is being built. If he has a number that he is comfortable with getting paid for the next 6 years and IF that number falls into the parameters that Gorton has in his head, then I believe that it will be Buchnevich that goes. If not, it will be Kreider.
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They're not calling anyone up until they get past this stretch of 2 games in 13 days I'd imagine
Kreider will continue to be a good player along the boards and remain an excellent net front presence. He is also a big part of the locker room and a leader. Not quite such a dumb idea.
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I think Kreider will be more about term than cap hit. I don't see Gorton giving him 6 or more years. 5 is a stretch, I think. I would be comfortable with 4. Would Kreider? Probably not. Some team out there will give him 7 x 7. It won't be us.
I completely agree. guys that can skate like that usually are the ones that last well into their late 30s. because even if they lose a step they're still better skaters than most of the guys in the league. his size strength and continuing evolution as an elite net front presence (pavelski is 38 cant skate and is still getting big contracts because he's one of the best in front of the net) make him very valuable. and that doesn't even go into his leadership qualities.
this is not marc staal. this is an elite athlete that will continue to be a beast for years to come. someone should also count how many goals are scored on the PP that he doest' get a point on but are due directly to screens he sets. he's probably the best in the league at it.
The Rangers should offer 7 mil per over 5 years. and if they do I bet he takes it. if it takes 6 years Id still do it.
I'd trade Buchnevich (we have a similar but better right wing coming up in Kravtsov)
And good because we will have to resign Mika at some point in addition to giving the youngsters a raise. Kreider's game is very dependent on speed so who would be comfortable with him in his mid 30's?
The thing is Kreider is elite at those things. You need a diverse group of forwards. The Rangers have the skill on the wings with Panarin-Kakko, hopefully Kravtsov, and possibly Chytil as well if he falters at center. Buchnevich is expendable to a degree then and Kreider holds more value for the overall team game. He is willing to go into the corners, go towards the physical areas of the ice, and he succeeds in those battles.
It all comes down to the numbers.
I also said right around when the season starts, that if the numbers are right with Kreider, we could have a huge chance to sell very high on Buchnevich this offseason with him getting to play on the 1st line. Rangers could make the playoffs and still possibly trade into the top 10-15 with a team looking to add a skilled winger who is still young with a fair cap hit. And then you can draft the center you need. Or even package that 1st with something else to move up a little further.
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So Chytil we need to give time to cook a little, but Lias is already a bust...
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This is a great post. I really like the thoughts of Ciarelli in the offseason, he very well can be a cap causality, to be honest its a great under the radar pick up. No to Wennberg for sure. Chicago if they would be looking to move a center imo it would be Toews and I don't see that happening or who should be our target. I always liked the czechs in the 2017 draft, preferred him to Andersson in his draft but i wouldn't say that Necas has really ran away with and distanced himself from Andersson in terms of quality of prospect but I sure wouldn't mind adding him. They would really need to be high on Geo for it to happen though plus a winger from our side IMO. Anaheim I think would make a great trading partner, they have some nice pieces over there. You can add Steel and Lundestrom to that list. They need a righty PP quarterback (DeAngelo). The deal can even grow, the Rangers could add grit to the bottom 6 they have Ritchie, that could make Fast expendable. They have Oliver Groulx as another bottom 6 center that has a 2 way game with grit if we decide to move one of Andersson or Howden too.
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i want no part of CK at 7 yrs. no way
4-5 yes.
kreider is criminally underrated here. he does a lot of stuff very well. his speed and ability to beat guys is a weapon. his hands are too often lobster claws but that's not a deal killer. hell get you 25.
stand in front of the net and just be 6'3 220 on the pp and profit. thats CK's role on this team. speed, grit and net front.
is that worth 7/7 ? sadly, no.
4-5 yes.
kreider is criminally underrated here. he does a lot of stuff very well. his speed and ability to beat guys is a weapon. his hands are too often lobster claws but that's not a deal killer. hell get you 25.
stand in front of the net and just be 6'3 220 on the pp and profit. thats CK's role on this team. speed, grit and net front.
is that worth 7/7 ? sadly, no.
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