Speculation: Roster Building Thread VII (2019/2020)

[NY Lito]

I’m not the biggest Chytil fan but even I think it’s a little crazy to write him off already. I somewhat get the disappointment that he didn’t come out of the gates roaring to grab that 2C spot. At the same time, he just turned 20 years old.

Talking of packaging picks/prospects for a 2C is way too premature.

 

[SA16]

Ryan Strome would make CAR worse so I'm pretty sure they can afford not to do it.

 

[GAGLine]

I’m not the biggest Chytil fan but even I think it’s a little crazy to write him off already. I somewhat get the disappointment that he didn’t come out of the gates roaring to grab that 2C spot. At the same time, he just turned 20 years old.

Talking of packaging picks/prospects for a 2C is way too premature.

It's not something I would be pushing for, but if the right opportunity comes along, it has to be considered.

 

[Hire Sather]

People really hate Ryan Strome a lot for a guy who we got for nothing and had a pretty good end of the season with us.

 

[offdacrossbar]

People really hate Ryan Strome a lot for a guy who we got for nothing and had a pretty good end of the season with us.

exactly.

the hate for strome is misdirected disappointment that chytil didn't get that spot.

plain and simple.

 

[Gardner McKay]

exactly.

the hate for strome is misdirected disappointment that chytil didn't get that spot.

plain and simple.

I disagree. The dislike from Strome is centered around the fact that historically he has been a bad hockey player.

Unlike most, I was willing to give him a shot this year as getting away from a team like Edmonton can sometimes do wonders for a player. Also unlike most, I don't think it is a big deal as this is still a transition year. Through the first two games he has left a lot to be desired (then again, 8 of our 12 forwards have). Most people agreed that Chytil deserved to start in the AHL.

 

[Trxjw]

Unless Kreider takes a big hometown discount, both in years and in AAV, I just don't think he's a Ranger in March.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I’m not the biggest Chytil fan but even I think it’s a little crazy to write him off already. I somewhat get the disappointment that he didn’t come out of the gates roaring to grab that 2C spot. At the same time, he just turned 20 years old.

Talking of packaging picks/prospects for a 2C is way too premature.

why ? premature ?

many see him as a wing. letting him marinate is a good thing. hes young and needs to learn the game when he doesnt have the puck.

i think there's some head in the sand stuff here. no one is saying give up on the kid. no one is "writing him off". so far, he hasn't been good enough- either at wing or center, and thats the reality of it.

questions last year on his effort and understanding resulted in healthy scratches. quinn has concerns that continue.

is he the 2C answer ? maybe. is he the answer in the next few mos ? well see.

until then, stromer is the guy. hopefully that line starts scoring.

 

[Raspewtin]

exactly.

the hate for strome is misdirected disappointment that chytil didn't get that spot.

plain and simple.

no it's actually because Strome is bad and he has a whole career to prove it.

actually, this perfectly describes the vitriol towards Buch in GDTs and PGTs re: Kakko.

People really hate Ryan Strome a lot for a guy who we got for nothing and had a pretty good end of the season with us.

Namestnikov had a better season than Strome did last year and we all couldn't wait to get rid of him, it's so strange.

It's been covered ad nauseum but Strome is really, really not a positive player anywhere on the ice and just happened to have the shooting run of his life with the Rangers. The entire board will probably hate him by December.

 

[GAGLine]

This schedule sucks. Playing 2 games, then waiting a week to play another one, then waiting 5 days to play another one.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Every player is unique and they have their own list of priorities, but I think it would be out of the ordinary to see a player of Kreider's age and status take a team friendly deal without testing the market. I wouldnt hold my breath waiting for him to break the trend of Hayes, Zuccarello, etc using their chance to cash in.

Then there is the new trend of teams paying the younger guys instead of the UFA vets. So Kreider can see this as his closing window, because if he gambles that he can get another good deal after 4 year deal in 2020, he could get burned. But he could also see the writing on the wall and figure that 4 years is the best he will get, so just sign here because its what he knows.

But assuming this plays out according to the script, I could see vegas being a buyer for Kreider. They are going for it and his speed could be important against the fast clubs in the west, especially Colorado.

We could get a hockey trade, left d or center? They would have to move cap back and we prefer something more developed at this point.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

This schedule sucks. Playing 2 games, then waiting a week to play another one, then waiting 5 days to play another one.

Whoever is responsible for this with our schedule is a special kind of stupid.

 

[NY Lito]

It's not something I would be pushing for, but if the right opportunity comes along, it has to be considered.

Of course, all depends on the return.

 

[Rongomania]

RE: Kreider situation:

I think the way Bread has stepped in and immediately linked with Mika has been huge as far as solidifying the new core.

Bread came in and made Kreider pretty extra, especially moving forward.

Let him put up some points and ship him out for a nice asset from an 'over the top' hungry contender.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

People saying Kreider isn't going to take less than the max, how do you know? Shattenkirk and Max Pac both took less than the max to play where they wanted to play. If he wants to squeeze every dollar out of his next deal, he's likely gone. If he wants to stay, then he'll have to take less. No one knows.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

exactly.

the hate for strome is misdirected disappointment that chytil didn't get that spot.

plain and simple.

I disagree. The dislike from Strome is centered around the fact that historically he has been a bad hockey player.

Unlike most, I was willing to give him a shot this year as getting away from a team like Edmonton can sometimes do wonders for a player. Also unlike most, I don't think it is a big deal as this is still a transition year. Through the first two games he has left a lot to be desired (then again, 8 of our 12 forwards have). Most people agreed that Chytil deserved to start in the AHL.

I don't think these two stances are mutually exclusive.

 

[haveandare]

????

The AHL?

 

[haveandare]

I didn't know Chytil played in the KHL

Lol don’t wanna open that can of worms.

Point being a kid who is a bad center doesn’t produce in the AHL like he did as a teenager, especially on a team devoid of other talent

 

[Mac n Gs]

Pu-Pu platter or not, let's walk through a couple of scenarios.

Let's say "Wennberg" in CLB rounds back to form as a 60 point center. Not saying he's a great target, because he's not, the guy was a close buyout candidate, but let's look at that situation.

They can't score, they have poor goaltending. But they have great team defense. For them to win games, getting a quality goaltender is part of that equation.

If that "Wennberg's" point production is replaced by other assets in the trade and CLB gets their goaltender, then the Rangers are able to acquire that cost controlled center.

Let's take a look at CHI in the off-season. They have Toews and the good Strome. They also have a real deal RH Center with size that they took with the 3rd pick in Dach.

If CHI misses the playoffs because their goal-tending doesn't hold up, and their defense continues to underwhelm... you have a potential scenario. Not saying it will happen, because team's rarely trade top 6 centers, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

CAR, they have Aho & Staal. They also have Necas playing on the wing. They are ready to take a step. Peter Mrazek and James Reimer aren't cutting it. Necas is struggling. A Strome & Georgi starting point makes their roster better today

A playoff run for a team like CAR equals to a profitable equation. They've got a ton of prospects as well. Can they "not" afford to make the deal?

ANA traded all of their defensemen after drafting and developing them for crappy returns. They have Getzlaf and Henrique. They also have Comtois and Terry that can play the middle. One of those kids as a center piece for DeAngelo is a reasonable return. Are those kids top 6 centers? No, but can they be?

It's a question of the proven commodity versus the unproven commodity.

The Rangers have several unproven commodities that are being given the chance to prove themselves as a top 6 center. I don't think any of them will in the next two years. You still have 2 NHL centers in Andy and Howdie, but they aren't top 6 players.

You have four external options:

Trade for a proven commodity & pay a premium price point.
Trade for an unproven commodity & have the other team pay a premium price point, or make a straight swap hockey trade.
Sign a free agent.
Get lucky and draft one.

Call it a gut instinct, but methinks they trade for one. And if the team is good enough at this trade deadline. It's sooner rather than later.

My dark horse pick:

Anthony Ciarelli.

I can't see how we'd acquire Cirelli without breaking the bank for him. He was a Selke candidate as a rookie last season on top of potting 40 points with basically no powerplay time. Who's do we even have to trade that's a comparable one-for-one for him?

 

[Edge]

People saying Kreider isn't going to take less than the max, how do you know? Shattenkirk and Max Pac both took less than the max to play where they wanted to play. If he wants to squeeze every dollar out of his next deal, he's likely gone. If he wants to stay, then he'll have to take less. No one knows.

I think the challenge is that even if he takes less, it's going to come at the expense of other areas.

He might be willing to offer a home town discount, but then he's not going to take term off the contract, and he's certainly going to want movement protection to kick in sooner, if not immediately.

So while we might be able to shave some dollars off a 7x7 deal, he's almost certainly not going to shave years or the movement clause off the deal. There's loyalty, and then there's the reality that is going to be the biggest contract of his career.

 

[effen]

Kreider will be a mistake within 2 years of that next contract. Tools guy with questionable hockey sense without 30 goals or 60 points at this point in his career despite 1st line/PP time for years, he is what he is. 7M NOW is market value, any decline makes it the dreaded overpayment.

Not to mention the opportunity cost of not having that 7M available elsewhere.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I think the challenge is that even if he takes less, it's going to come at the expense of other areas.

He might be willing to offer a home town discount, but then he's not going to take term off the contract, and he's certainly going to want movement protection to kick in sooner, if not immediately.

So while we might be able to shave some dollars off a 7x7 deal, he's almost certainly not going to shave years or the movement clause off the deal. There's loyalty, and then there's the reality that is going to be the biggest contract of his career.

I just don't think 5x7 million is outlandish. He'll still have made over 50 million playing hockey and i'm sure he'd get another deal after that one. I could be way off base as I don't know the dude or what's in his head. I guess we'll see. Personally, I'd rather trade Buch and use some of that money on Kreider.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Whoever is responsible for this with our schedule is a special kind of stupid.

Well, there are a lot of things to consider aside from just the Rangers. There are also the Knicks, concerts, etc. not to mention 30 other teams to consider when creating a schedule. I could be wrong but I don't think it is just one person or one factor.

 

[Fitzy]

Unless Kreider takes a big hometown discount, both in years and in AAV, I just don't think he's a Ranger in March.

We better get a young ELC left winger back, then, otherwise we're gonna be playing Panarin 30 minutes a game. I doubt Barron will be NHL ready next season.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Barron doesn't have much upside imo. Solid 3C at best.