Speculation: Roster Building Thread VII (2019/2020)
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The Crypto Guy
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Hayes is younger and a center not a good comparison.
lee is but lee is a much better goal scorer and frankly the islanders got caught having to overpay him after their epic shit show of an off-season.
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They should. I hope Gorton knows that this team still had severe flaws that need to he addressed before the team is ready to contend again. The team is more than just one or two players away from being a real threat.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Maybe if they are playing at a high-level at the trade deadline or close to it we can talk about not trading him. Highly doubtful.
Clear as day when you see chytil’s abilities and flashes of big time skill. You don’t see that in Lias at all. He doesn’t have the upside. He’s going has hard as he can jus to keep up. He’s never going to be a good skater. Never going to be bigger and stronger than anyone. Doesn’t have the puck skills doesn’t have a big shot. Never carries the puck thru the neutral zone. I’m not sure what else to tell you. He’s going to have to battle everyday and luckily that’s in him but he’s not a top 6 guy never will be.
offdacrossbar
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I mean people were literally asking for it. Can’t blame the guy for responding.
He's not wrong. Still think lias can be a 25-25 player with the right linemates and a bunch fo dirty goals.
TheBloodyNine
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1000%. The Rangers are not winning the cup this season. They almost traded Zucc on 2015 when they were at the top of the league.
SA16
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If by unlikely chance they are in 1st or 2nd place come the deadline then no, I wouldn't trade him (barring some ridiculous offer by another team). Still wouldn't sign him though. But I'm sure if that situation occurs we will be like...40-15-3 or something at the deadline, leading the league, and the sentiment will still be the team isn't contender and not ready to win even though all the evidence is to the contrary.
Really odd how the rangers are handling the situation...on one hand they claim they haven't even talked to CK's agent implying the decision to move him is done...but then on the other hand the team can't stop hyping up his value of the team and how much he has helped the kids etc.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
And if that is what we get from our 7th overall pick, outstanding.
I feel like because that was the highest pick that our team has had in god knows how long, people somewhat expected it to be a sure thing. They saw some of the outrageously successful top-10 picks other teams have had and got excited, forgetting/ignoring all of the huge misses that were also picked in the top-10 over the years.
Also, to say "at least Mittelstadt had potential", is woefully misguided. No team is going to take a guy in the top 10 that doesn't have high potential. Andersson had plenty of potential at the time of the pick and still does.
just read this and you can take it two ways.
One having guys like this are essential to the development of the young guys coming up and that we need to keep him.
Two building up the trade value.
but as a rental that second part doesn’t really come into play. A lot of what’s in here is what I’ve also talked about. You can’t have a team of all 25 and unders. You need some guys that have been thru the wars and have learned what it takes to be a pro and STAY in the league. They need to teach the kids how to reach their potentials. you’re not going to get that from just Mika Panarin and Trouba. All kids quite frankly in their own right. Mika just figured it out himself. Blowing out every veteran especially one like this who’s so respected in his conditioning is just not smart to me. I’d rather pay him. I’d offer 7 mil per 5 years. That’s where I’d start and see where he wants to be. But I have zero doubt he’ll still be contributing at 35 36 if he wants to play that long.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
While that is ultimately the likely scenario, they are not implying the decision to move him is done. That is your interpretation.
It is a business. Kreider is an absolute fan favorite. There is a long time between now and the end of the season and the Rangers are acting just as they should, business as usual. That is how you act until circumstances dictate otherwise. A lot could change between now and then and you never completely close a door until you have to.
LORDE
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He's our last really good asset to deal in a way that could help address the center issue... be it a 1st rd. plus or whatever.
I love Kreider and own his jersey, but we can't give him the contract he's going to want. As such, we need to deal him to further the rebuild.
the fact that they tried to trade him at the draft but haven't even asked what it would take to keep him and you don't think that tells us something? For all JG knows he'd be willing to take a huge discount to stay and he hasn't even asked.
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I wonder if, given the tumultuous nature of free agency this year and so many players being left out in the cold or underpaid (see Gardiner, Boyle, Simmonds, etc), if Kreider would be open to a sign and trade with certain teams.
I don't think this is true. Gorton doesn't seem like the type of GM to negotiate through the press. They know what he's looking for. Maybe they tried to trade him at the deadline but they set the price tag so high they'd have to be crazy to turn it down.
Edge
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I think he gets his 7 million, or at least close.
The challenge with some of the more optimistic scenarios is that it requires a lot of sacrifice from Kreider - millions of dollars and multiple years.
There's little or no incentive for him to become a free agent again at 34 by accepting a deal with less term - that's a losing scenario for him. And while he might be willing to shave a little bit off his salary, I don't think he's taking a total of $4 million off his deal over two years, and another potential several million dollars on the difference between what he would earn in years 6 or 7 of that deal, compared to what he will comparatively be offered by becoming a free agent. You're looking at a total that could add up to more than $10 million. That's more than a discount, that's in excess of 20 percent of the perspective deal he's eyeing right now.
As for secondary scoring, it's important to remember that the Rangers wouldn't be moving him for the sake of moving him. They'd be moving him because he's an unrestricted free agent and they either are hesitant or unable to commit to the salary and/or the years.
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The reality is that with the Panarin signing, we're basically in a situation where the depth and secondary scoring is going to HAVE to come from the developing prospects, rather than free agents or trades for higher paid players. You simply can't afford anything else.
Unless Henrik and Staal decide to retire mid-season, that's the situation. Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Andersson, these guys are going to have to find a way to chip in offense, even if it's only at the Jimmy Vesey level of 30-35 points. Lemieux's progress will also be important- can he be a consistent PP2 guy and get 10-15 goals for us? Or will he max out as a 4th liner...
The trick is that after this year we have no real vets left to mix the kids in with on the 2nd and 3rd lines. Namestnikov is gone, Kreider will be departing, as too will likely be Strome.
We may have to go dumpster diving in the offseason for some cheap 1 year deals ala Ruslan Fedotenko to fill out next year's team. I also think you only bring back Fast if he gives a hometown discount. He's popular, and plays a lot on the PK, but he's usually good for only about 20 points and I dont see that being worth a 2.5 mil a year contract that another team might offer him.
A continuation of the Kreider situation is that re-signing him would force some serious cost-cutting measures, some of which in ways that might hurt us down the road. A Staal buyout? One can only deal with so much dead cap. Trading Skjei? With how he's played I don't see there being much interest at full price.
Unless Henrik and Staal decide to retire mid-season, that's the situation. Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Andersson, these guys are going to have to find a way to chip in offense, even if it's only at the Jimmy Vesey level of 30-35 points. Lemieux's progress will also be important- can he be a consistent PP2 guy and get 10-15 goals for us? Or will he max out as a 4th liner...
The trick is that after this year we have no real vets left to mix the kids in with on the 2nd and 3rd lines. Namestnikov is gone, Kreider will be departing, as too will likely be Strome.
We may have to go dumpster diving in the offseason for some cheap 1 year deals ala Ruslan Fedotenko to fill out next year's team. I also think you only bring back Fast if he gives a hometown discount. He's popular, and plays a lot on the PK, but he's usually good for only about 20 points and I dont see that being worth a 2.5 mil a year contract that another team might offer him.
A continuation of the Kreider situation is that re-signing him would force some serious cost-cutting measures, some of which in ways that might hurt us down the road. A Staal buyout? One can only deal with so much dead cap. Trading Skjei? With how he's played I don't see there being much interest at full price.
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