Speculation: Roster Building Thread VII (2019/2020)

[Pawnee Rangers]

I think he gets his 7 million, or at least close.

The challenge with some of the more optimistic scenarios is that it requires a lot of sacrifice from Kreider - millions of dollars and multiple years.

There's little or no incentive for him to become a free agent again at 34 by accepting a deal with less term - that's a losing scenario for him. And while he might be willing to shave a little bit off his salary, I don't think he's taking a total of $4 million off his deal over two years, and another potential several million dollars on the difference between what he would earn in years 6 or 7 of that deal, compared to what he will comparatively be offered by becoming a free agent. You're looking at a total that could add up to more than $10 million. That's more than a discount, that's in excess of 20 percent of the perspective deal he's eyeing right now.

As for secondary scoring, it's important to remember that the Rangers wouldn't be moving him for the sake of moving him. They'd be moving him because he's an unrestricted free agent and they either are hesitant or unable to commit to the salary and/or the years.

Max Pac signed a four year, 7million contract to stay in Vegas. I get the notion that players don't like to leave money on the table, but it's not like it doesn't happen. Panarin took less (kinda different scenario), Shattenkirk took less. Guys do take less. Again, I don't know what's in his head, maybe he and his agent have already decided they're going to free agency and want to make as much money as possible. Maybe the Rangers have already decided to move on. I just don't buy that it's definitely going to take 7x7 to resign him

 

[bobbop]

Owen Tippet?

I confess to not knowing enough about Tippett but that’s the type of deal I would expect.

 

[bobbop]

To me it's kind of like an old love you can't let go, always been with Kreider. As of now, I think the team will trade Kreider, Fast and Strome.

Just all of them for picks. I specially look at Carolina, who have like 15 picks. Those three should get us like 2 prospects and 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Not so fast. Strome has another year of control. I expect Fast to be resigned.

 

[cd211]

He's not wrong. Still think lias can be a 25-25 player with the right linemates and a bunch fo dirty goals.

Agreed- dude played great with zib and rakell at worlds so not out of line.. he’s got skill and IQ.. coaches job is to put players in places to succeed before we write them off

 

[rangersfansince08]

He needs to be on a line with somebody who can drive play. I don't want to break up Panarin and Mika but maybe we can try KZB and Panarin-Andersson-Kakko for a few games.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Not so fast. Strome has another year of control. I expect Fast to be resigned.

Yes Strome is still under control. I think Fast is dealt. Could be a valuable depth piece for a contender.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I confess that its worrisome to face a scenario where we are doing well and Kreider has self rental potential but...

We still have massive holes and we aren't really shopping for picks. A hockey trade doesn't throw in the towel. It doesn't compromise the season and so long as the return has upside at a possition we are weak at, it helps now and in the future.

A separate thought: don't forget about bonuses pushing into next season if we exceed the cap this year. Namestnikov helps that, but who knows what they are cooking. The Shattenkirk hit plus potential rookie bonuses really saps our cushion.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Staal needs to do us a favor and call it quits.

 

[Edge]

Max Pac signed a four year, 7million contract to stay in Vegas. I get the notion that players don't like to leave money on the table, but it's not like it doesn't happen. Panarin took less (kinda different scenario), Shattenkirk took less. Guys do take less. Again, I don't know what's in his head, maybe he and his agent have already decided they're going to free agency and want to make as much money as possible. Maybe the Rangers have already decided to move on. I just don't buy that it's definitely going to take 7x7 to resign him

It’s certainly possible; obviously I can’t say it’s out of the question. As to whether it’s probable, I highly doubt it.

 

[JimmyG89]

Strome won't be back. There is a near 0% chance the Rangers extend him a QO, since that number will be more than what he is worth.

While we are finding out things about this team this season, we're developing some depth. Lemieux looks like an NHL player, but he's barely played in the NHL. All our young Cs are in the same boat. We'll be doing the same with Kravtsov.

Maybe we can get some surprises from the group in Hartford. Need some developing done at that level from the prospects further down the list. Gettinger, Newell, Elmer, Fontaine. If we want true organizational depth, it's coming from those kind of picks/signings

 

[Gardner McKay]

the fact that they tried to trade him at the draft but haven't even asked what it would take to keep him and you don't think that tells us something? For all JG knows he'd be willing to take a huge discount to stay and he hasn't even asked.

They tried to trade Buchnevich at the draft. Then they re-signed him.

Honestly, if you really think that JG hasn't even asked what it would take to keep Kreider, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Gardner McKay]

More like meant to say he has some high end skill which Lias lacks.

Based on what? Your many hours of scouting him? It is fairly apparent that Lias has skill.

 

[darko]

Staal needs to do us a favor and call it quits.

Good luck.

 

[Fitzy]

Staal needs to do us a favor and call it quits.

I remember his comment to Girardi's retirement about being happy to not get hit in the ankles with pucks any more.

Staal's base salary is only 1.2 million next year if spotrac is correct. He has a 3 million dollar bonus at the beginning of the year. Could he choose to retire after that bonus? There aren't as many cap floor teams needing cap-salary discrepancies to hit the floor cheaply any more. His modified no trade is up at that point.

Or, NYR could try to find some quack doctor to diagnose him with something for LTIR.

 

[Irishguy42]

I remember his comment to Girardi's retirement about being happy to not get hit in the ankles with pucks any more.

Staal's base salary is only 1.2 million next year if spotrac is correct. He has a 3 million dollar bonus at the beginning of the year. Could he choose to retire after that bonus? There aren't as many cap floor teams needing cap-salary discrepancies to hit the floor cheaply any more. His modified no trade is up at that point.

Or, NYR could try to find some quack doctor to diagnose him with something for LTIR.

CapFriendly has Staal with a $3.2M base salary next year and $1M signing bonus.

I'd trust them over Sportrac

 

[Mikos87]

I can't see how we'd acquire Cirelli without breaking the bank for him. He was a Selke candidate as a rookie last season on top of potting 40 points with basically no powerplay time. Who's do we even have to trade that's a comparable one-for-one for him?

A 1:1 would be challenging. He's a proven commodity that's going to be a cap casualty and potentially a expansion draft challenge.

Cirelli would command a premium of a good cheap ELCs and/or prospects and picks.

Similar to the BOS trades of Hamilton and Kessel but for a lesser price.

 

[Mr Clutch]

Leon Draisaitl?

 

[Fitzy]

Leon Draisaitl?

Heh.

"o hey oliers, we'd like one of the best players in the league to help with our secondary scoring. Just one other thing, ahh, were in a bit of a cap crunch, so would you mind either retaining half of his salary or taking back Brendan Smith? Hello?"

 

[I Eat Crow]

I would give up a lot to get Draisaitl. The Rangers can't fit him without a. yet another buyout, AND either b. a miracle clause in the CBA which would make Shattenkirk's buyout disappear from the books, c. Staal or Smith quite literally being launched into the sun (or retire, but I like the sun option).

Another reason why I absolutely hated the Shattenkirk buyout. It pigeonholes Gorton into not being able to make a move such as Draisaitl to improve the team. I'll give it my best shot:

Kreider (extended), Chytil, Lundkvist, Brendan Smith (cap dump) and 2021 1st for Draisaitl.

That's what it would take for Edmonton to even think about it. Even then I think they say no.

 

[Leetch3]

They tried to trade Buchnevich at the draft. Then they re-signed him.

Honestly, if you really think that JG hasn't even asked what it would take to keep Kreider, I don't know what to tell you.

it sounds ridiculous but he has said it now 2 or 3 time completely unprompted. for whatever reason thats the message he wants out there

 

[RGY]

it sounds ridiculous but he has said it now 2 or 3 time completely unprompted. for whatever reason thats the message he wants out there

When did he say it “unpromted”... seems like he has been asked every time he has spoken about Kreider and his agent. He has mentioned there was some small conversation but thats about it.

Lets not act like he is going out of his way to make it known he doesnt want to re-sign Kreider. He could be trying to gauge how much Kreider wants to stay in NY.

 

[brians1128]

A 1:1 would be challenging. He's a proven commodity that's going to be a cap casualty and potentially a expansion draft challenge.

Cirelli would command a premium of a good cheap ELCs and/or prospects and picks.

Similar to the BOS trades of Hamilton and Kessel but for a lesser price.

It’s very likely he isn’t on that team next year. They just have too much money tied up and way too many no trade clauses. Imo it starts at Chytil/Andersson and Lindgren/Lundkvist . That gives them 2 elcs who can play now. Lindgren and Chad gives them some blue collar grit that they need. Chytil is a lot of potential that still needs to put it together but would go into a pressure free environment. They could also use a righty d prospect. Now I’m not saying to do this but you gotta think the Rangers will be watching closely who develops, who’s filling what role and who can go to fill voids.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I would give up a lot to get Draisaitl. The Rangers can't fit him without a. yet another buyout, AND either b. a miracle clause in the CBA which would make Shattenkirk's buyout disappear from the books, c. Staal or Smith quite literally being launched into the sun (or retire, but I like the sun option).

Another reason why I absolutely hated the Shattenkirk buyout. It pigeonholes Gorton into not being able to make a move such as Draisaitl to improve the team. I'll give it my best shot:

Kreider (extended), Chytil, Lundkvist, Brendan Smith (cap dump) and 2021 1st for Draisaitl.

That's what it would take for Edmonton to even think about it. Even then I think they say no.

That’s nowhere near enough to get Draisaitl

 

[Mac n Gs]

A 1:1 would be challenging. He's a proven commodity that's going to be a cap casualty and potentially a expansion draft challenge.

Cirelli would command a premium of a good cheap ELCs and/or prospects and picks.

Similar to the BOS trades of Hamilton and Kessel but for a lesser price.

Right, and when you factor in the upcoming expansion draft, it makes it even hairier for TB to manage. Don't get me wrong, I'd love Cirelli, but I just don't see how we could put together a reasonable deal for him.

 

[TheDirtyH]

It's a shame that we'll have to lose Kreider to keep Skjei and Staal and Smith and pay for Shattenkirk, but that's the reality of the Rangers. I don't know what their plan is exactly, but I have to admit that I worry—for as much as Panarin might have 'accelerated' the rebuild, losing Kreider has the potential to devastate it. Just my opinion...