lemieux is 23 and only has 74 career games...but I agree it won't be hard to address.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread VII (2019/2020)
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lemieux is 23 and only has 74 career games...but I agree it won't be hard to address.
agreed this might not be something resolved this summer...just thinking long term.
egelband
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Say what you want about Kreider but you take him out of the top 6 and it becomes very one dimensional. I don't think "getting a body" is a smart approach. If they trade him, they need to acquire the right player back in return.
agreed to will create a big whole...but the decision to move him isn't being made cause we don't think he's a good fit. remove the cap issues and his age on a long term deal it would be a no brainer to keep him. I don't think any one thinks we are a better team without him in the short term.
I think good teams who have sustained success find ways to keep their best players. Windows open and close very quickly in this league. Teams need balance. He provides that.
good teams also know when to move on from players too...and you are most likely talking about a 7 year deal so you need to factor the back end of the deal too. and don't get me wrong, I love kreider and would love to find a way to keep him. but not sure it makes sense long term.
But you're moving him, without a replacement, as the team is gearing up to make a run. I wouldn't sign him to a 7 year deal. I'd do everything I could to get him to sign a 5 year deal. With the way he trains, I have no concerns about him falling off a cliff in the next 5.5 years.
I don't know if I agree that this team is gearing up to make a run...maybe in a year or so but we still have a ways to go. that said if kreider is willing to sign for 4-5 years than I keep him but why would he take that deal and leave that $$ on the table?
Tawnos
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We're not going to be gearing up to make a run next season, IMO. I see next year as hopefully being along the lines of 2010-11, where the youth starts making a major impact on the fortunes of the team. The year after, 11-12, is when we'd be looking to make more additions.
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Well, define gearing up to make a run?
I definitely think that the playoffs will be an expectation next year.
I said yesterday, guys sign shorter term deals, Max Pac (similar age and player) signed a four year deal to stay in Vegas. Maybe he doesn't and then I agree with you, 7 years is a no from me, dawg
Tawnos
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Yes, it should be. That's why I cited 2010-11. I tend to see the phrase "make a run" as taking a shot at a championship, and I don't think we're contenders next year. At least not in the natural progression of things. Most teams don't jump from missing the playoffs to contending. The Blackhawks are the only ones I can think of.
It could happen, of course. Just doesn't seem likely.
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Offer Kreider the Pacioretty contract and see what happens. We should have the space for him with that cap hit for the 4 years, but if they would need to make a move they could based on term.
Otherwise, I'm not committing more than the 4 years to him. Move him at the deadline or near it for a similar package that Hayes got us. Could use that money in FA if we are looking for a 2C still. Shift Chytil to be a winger at that point. Some center options out there to fill in that role come 7/1. Haula and Granlund would be the targets at that point.
Otherwise, I'm not committing more than the 4 years to him. Move him at the deadline or near it for a similar package that Hayes got us. Could use that money in FA if we are looking for a 2C still. Shift Chytil to be a winger at that point. Some center options out there to fill in that role come 7/1. Haula and Granlund would be the targets at that point.
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Strome also has a $3.2M qualifier... If he can't elevate his play there would be no reason to keep him
Plenty of people have said he has skill with no proof whatsoever. Where were you then to ask them to prove it? It's just my opinion and one that others share. But what does he excel at? Skating? no. Monster,accurate shot? no Stretch passes? no carrying through the neutral zone? nope Why hasn't he done those things if he has high end skill.
Given the rebuild stage we are in now, we can get by with an underwhelming and rotational 2C but interested to know if there are short term possibilities to deal for one using cap as a powerful asset and flipping Strome back? Turris is signed too long, maybe Statsny, or Staal (bad history), who else?
Plus what would it take to pry Larkin from Detroit? Skjei and Howton?
Plus what would it take to pry Larkin from Detroit? Skjei and Howton?
Why would they trade their 1c for what amounts to be a #5/6 D and a 4C?
Andreas Athanasiou is the guy I would target.
Fitzy
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Still not seeing any good math showing that we could have Kreider here next season at a 7 mil cap hit and make it work, whilst keeping Lemieux and DeAngelo, without making Henrik or Staal mysteriously vanish without retention. The math just doesn't add up.
The thing to keep in mind, even in the near future if this team is a playoff team it's more than likely not a serious contender. The foundation has some elite players to build around, Panarin, Zib, Trouba but the real core that fills out the rest of this team is probably gonna be directly or indirectly based on the teenagers, K'Andre, Kravstov, Kakko, Lundkvist and the early 20s kids, Chytil, DeAngelo, Fox, Lias, Shestyorkin. They're still SUPER young, it could be a few years before these guys put it together. Right now I'd be trying to indentify young players that might be a little ahead on their development who can fit into that timeline. Guys who might be buried a little on the depth chart who won't be crazy expensive to acquire. So think guys like Barbashev in St Louis or Jake Bean in Carolina
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Don't we want to see them make a move ASAP (without and dumb ass free agent signings)? While guys are still on their ELCs? Even if they're two years out, that puts Kreider at 30/31 and Panarin at 29/30. To me a top 6 of - Panarin - Mika - Kakko and Kreider - Chytil - Kravtsov is as LD would say, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
Tawnos
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The defense isn't going to be there yet.
Maybe, maybe not. But it better work with what they already have here and in the pipeline. Because even drafting a stud D in 2020, he's going to be a long way off.
I think that is likely a goal but contingent on the progress of a number of kids and if a 2C emerges...but I think it will be a natural progression to that next step.
Edge
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I think the overall defense coming together is going to take longer than some believe.
We talk about young forwards and giving them time, but we also have a lot of young defenseman --- and they tend to take a bit longer to find their stride.
If Miller makes the team next season, you're looking at a defense with potentially 4 members who are 24 or younger, including 3 members with less than 100 games of experience. That's a really young corps, even with Trouba and Skjei.
The defensive timeline is a subject we don't really focus on around here.
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