Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition
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pld459666
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So he gave us 2nd worst 1st overall & 3rd worst 2nd overall in the last 16 years
who is this clown?
Exposer of Jovos muffin shot so he’s cool with me.
haohmaru
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Who cares?
You know, though, looking at the Kakko and Lafreniere draft classes and there aren't a lot of "hits" yet and hell of a lot more misses. Who is better than Kakko besides Hughes? Zegras? Who is better than Lafreniere so far? Stutzle?
Nobody is leaping off the pages of those drafts, so far, when I look at them.
Machinehead
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So he gave us 2nd worst 1st overall & 3rd worst 2nd overall in the last 16 years
Lucas Raymond and Tim Stutzle are both better players and have more points than Lafreniere and are on worse teams with less talent. I'm sure they get way more ice time than Lafreniere does. Both get PP time with Lafreniere hasn't earned yet.
Raymond in his rookie year had almost 18 minutes a game... With a wild ratio of PP points.
17futurecap
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Those Miller highlight reels are like Trouba blooper reels at the same time.
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You read my mind. That's exactly what I said without actually saying anything like that. He's under 26 and it'll be cheap...
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I like Raymond, but he's been put in a situation to produce. If his stats looked differently, how many fans would rank him higher? Take away his powerplay goal and he's scored less goals over the last 2 seasons / 82 than Lafreniere.
Lafreniere has a better p/60 even strength. He's also more reliable on the rink, whether he's actually doing something noticeable or not. That's not to say Raymond won't leave Laf behind, but right now it's hard to look at Raymond and say he's better, given the situation he was put in. We're basically just looking at a guy who skates better, gets powerplay minutes, and doesn't have to live up to the #1 overall hype.
PuckLuck3043
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Figures you would find this but the facts remain that Laf was the unanimous 1OA pick and every other GM would have done the same damn thing. People were talking pre draft that Hughes and Kakko were 1 and 2 and it was very close and whoever wasn't picked 1st was going 2nd. I'm not a Gorton fan but he did absolutely nothing wrong with these picks.So he gave us 2nd worst 1st overall & 3rd worst 2nd overall in the last 16 years
bleedblue94
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Dorion was on a pod recently and said his scouting staff had several people within it that were fighting to rank stuz 1oa. He would not say what their official list was but just said that they had four players targeted for picks 3 and 5 and got 2 of the 4 they wanted. This narrative that laf was the unanimous 1oa just isn't fact. the media may have been pushing that, but within orgs that was not the case.
Dorian pumping the tires of a guy he drafted? Shocking, shocking turn of events. Laff was the undisputed, consensus 1OA.
If Ottawa's official list had TS at #1, Dorion would have mentioned it then.
The tire pumping would have happened immediately, not after the fact.
McKenzie had Laf as a unanimous #1. He polls actual scouts. Not scouts from every team, but there was NOTHING out there that suggested that anyone had Stutzle as #1.
The tire pumping would have happened immediately, not after the fact.
McKenzie had Laf as a unanimous #1. He polls actual scouts. Not scouts from every team, but there was NOTHING out there that suggested that anyone had Stutzle as #1.
haohmaru
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Right on.
Show me the pre draft ranking(s) they had ANYONE above Lafreniere. There aren’t any.
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COVID has affected a lot of players' development, IMO. I think prospects from the 19-22 drafts will need a little extra time to become what they are going to be.
Raspewtin
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UAGoalieGuy
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This. The development curve is not going to be the same for all players who were drafted precovid.
Let's see where both are at after their current contracts (ofcourse laff still needs to be signed, so that contract)
Crease
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I find it more likely that the Rangers suck at forward development than that Laf and Kakko both fooled the entire hockey world.
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Unanimous and Consensus are two different things. Laf was the CONSENSUS 1OA. Could there be a scout here and there that had Byfield or Stutzle at 1OA? Sure. But Laf was the consensus.
Raymond is not a better player than Laf, and on this team without PP1 time he would have scored less than Laf as well. He had 6 points more than Laf, and 19 of his points were on the PP.
PuckLuck3043
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Just because some people were fighting for Stutzle doesn't mean they would have picked him if they chose first. Very easy to say after the fact. I remember the talk pre draft and yes, Laf was the unanimous choice among fans and draftniks. I stand by what I said. Every single GM would have taken Laf first.
KirkAlbuquerque
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And if there was a guy who was mentioned as an alternative #1, it was Byfield
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