That is what happens when you have a one dimensional finesse soft roster. Rangers have not gotten the players that are built for Laviolette’s system
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That is what happens when you have a one dimensional finesse soft roster. Rangers have not gotten the players that are built for Laviolette’s system
Machinehead
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Now that I think about it, I actually don't hate this for our team.
Wing is a strong position for us where we have plenty of good defenders. That includes Panarin tbh.
We're deep enough at wing to run this on either side. Kakko is a good defender and Vesey is an excellent defender.
More structure should help our lackluster breakout game.
The reinforced back line tends to push the center up, which is good because Zibanejad gets overused defensively.
It just gives Panarin something to do, which we need at times.
Even if it ends up being a 2-3, it beats the 0-5 we've been running.
Wing is a strong position for us where we have plenty of good defenders. That includes Panarin tbh.
We're deep enough at wing to run this on either side. Kakko is a good defender and Vesey is an excellent defender.
More structure should help our lackluster breakout game.
The reinforced back line tends to push the center up, which is good because Zibanejad gets overused defensively.
It just gives Panarin something to do, which we need at times.
Even if it ends up being a 2-3, it beats the 0-5 we've been running.
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The correction here is, that is what you get when youre hands off and don’t have structure. When you have Mickey Mouse practices and a country club atmosphere, what are we expecting?
I can’t stress this enough… this is an elite level of competition…. You practice how you will play.
No this is what happens when you don't coach NZ defense.
This has been a problem with this team going back to AV. Even the early Quinn teams which had plenty of grit and tuffness had this issue.
Machinehead
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There's not a roster in the world that's going to play the way people want to play with the coaches we've had.
AV was "follow your man around and cheat for breakouts," Quinn wanted effort but didn't have the structure, and Gallant was "ah, whatever."
I'm not saying issues don't exist beyond coaching but it doesn't make sense to throw the entire roster under the bus as unable to play with structure when they've never been asked to.
This is Panarin the last time he had a coach that yelled at him:
AV was "follow your man around and cheat for breakouts," Quinn wanted effort but didn't have the structure, and Gallant was "ah, whatever."
I'm not saying issues don't exist beyond coaching but it doesn't make sense to throw the entire roster under the bus as unable to play with structure when they've never been asked to.
This is Panarin the last time he had a coach that yelled at him:
Machinehead
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If Adam Fox can put up point totals in the low to mid 70's on a team that never breaks up a play up ice and who takes a month of Sundays to start their transition game, imagine him on a team that's creating turnovers and immediately taking them the other way.
Rangerboy030
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For the first time since Torts, we have a coach who is aware of the existence of the neutral zone.
Fitzy
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Another pre lockout player hangs them up. Not many left!
We’re so old
Now that’s not entirely fair- AV knew about it he just wanted to treat it like no man’s land in WW1
BobMarleyNYR
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Fitzy
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I can’t help but notice that there’s still one RFA player who hasn’t signed yet
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LaffyTaffyNYR
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Mandar
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I’d counter with
This was 5 years ago when he moved better and didn’t have a massive pay day awaiting him.
He can be yelled at, disciplined and perhaps have privileges stripped away for motivation (if that’s what he responds to) but none of those will make up for physical decline.
In addition, I’d be okay if his offense were a 99 and his defense were a 5. He gets paid to produce, we can find someone to cover his ass defensively if need be.
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Speaking to last year and recent years specifically, a lot this has to do with the forwards and their play.
When you make stupid turnovers near the blueline (Panarin, Kane), are one and done in the ozone (like they were against Jersey), don't forecheck effectively (basically everyone), the other team is gonna come out of the zone and up the ice with speed and force you to back up and be on your heels.
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I have two “requirements”: I want Kreider with Trocheck and I don’t like Panarin with Chytil… which essentially pushes me into your combos at the top. To me there’s a flexibility re where Wheeler / Vesey or Goodrow are placed into middle-6 RW but Wheeler with kids makes sense to me.
Crease
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Fatty Arbuckle?
Machinehead
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If he's declined, that's a separate issue.
The argument at hand is that this core (e.g. Panarin) won't respond to coaching.
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Don't worry, 4 games of Miller being exposed as the last line defense will change this.
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Crease
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A few things about LWL:
1. In the neutral zone, it’s essentially a 2-3, with the two defensemen and one forward splitting the back line into thirds. It’s good for avoiding odd man rushes or a guy splitting the defensemen for a breakaway.
2. It doesn’t have to be the LW on the back line. On any given shift or rush, it could be the RW or the C.
3. It’s incredibly simple and hard to f*** up.
1. In the neutral zone, it’s essentially a 2-3, with the two defensemen and one forward splitting the back line into thirds. It’s good for avoiding odd man rushes or a guy splitting the defensemen for a breakaway.
2. It doesn’t have to be the LW on the back line. On any given shift or rush, it could be the RW or the C.
3. It’s incredibly simple and hard to f*** up.
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