Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[bernmeister]

Yeah I mean a lot of the guys out there are on the trade market worth high picks could be foundational pieces for us. Drury would just need to reshape the roster. I don’t think it’s necessary personally, but the Rangers are trying to win now and I feel like they would be open to a trade of some younger assets (Laf?, 1st rounder?, jones?) if it could fix their top 6RW hole. The cap is jumping up after this year allegedly and Trouba/Kreider will be tradeable, so they will have flexibility.

My friend, we reap what we sow.
Failure to consider 1 step backward to go 2++ long term has come back to bite us in the ass, repeatedly, and its gotta stop.

We do more of the same, guess what? We get, more of the same.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Man Toffolli would be a damn good move for this team *this year* if they aren’t moving Laf (or Kreider down). He plays N/S game, right handed shot, 34 goals (74.6% of them at ES), right wing is a hole at the moment obviously. 63.6% corsi, cup winner,

But what’s the next contract look like even with the cap expected to go up?

 

[bernmeister]

everything is not always simple.
imo this time basically this happens to be...

extend not bridge KAM, 6.25 x 8
We do kid line as 1st line
Kreider + Zib + = 2nd line
we should also be open if a good enuf pivot happens to emerge relatively cheap, we can experiment w/Zib on RW

bread to 3rd line until we can trade his ass

sell high on Lindgren

yes othmann + cuylie
Roberton + Scanlin, accept growing pains, play now so they develop up here.

basically LaF is the x factor
he is cheap enuf to keep for now but if a good enuf offer from CGY, VAN etc, let him go

 

[RGY]

That is how you win.

Winning trades.

Which you hardly ever do by trading for present.

To be fair, Vegas just won and were not built the way you are advocating. I would argue Florida wasn’t even really built that way. It has been several years since they drafted Barkov, Ekblad, and Huberdeau. Carolina is getting older. Dallas, I can see that argument somewhat being made but a lot of their current success is hitting homeruns on late 1st round picks and not by tanking/rebuilding. Those were the final 4 teams.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Man Toffolli would be a damn good move for this team *this year* if they aren’t moving Laf (or Kreider down). He plays N/S game, right handed shot, 34 goals (74.6% of them at ES), right wing is a hole at the moment obviously. 63.6% corsi, cup winner,

But what’s the next contract look like even with the cap expected to go up?

I didnt pay enough attention to the flames this year, who were his linemates?
I dont think he was the one creating offense.
You might not be wrong about him playing N/S but I dont ever remember him as a creator.
Also looking at his stats. He's been a 40-50pt guy his entire career, and then exploded for 73 pts. He's not a 73 pt guy.

 

[McRanger92]

My friend, we reap what we sow.
Failure to consider 1 step backward to go 2++ long term has come back to bite us in the ass, repeatedly, and its gotta stop.

We do more of the same, guess what? We get, more of the same.

I think if there is organizational doubt in Lafreniere, trading him for a top 6 RW who is the right fit could be enticing. Rather move Panarin but it seems impossible and I think Laviolette can get him to buy in again. Othmann or Cuylle could win the 3LW job out of camp. We would still have a lot of young talent.

I don’t know who the right guy is out there, but there are a lot of names.

Lindholm
Toffoli
Konecny
Dubois
DeBrincat
Scheifele
Wilson

Some I like more than I there’s but teams are looking to sell, @RangerBoy alluded to the lack of demand due to no cap space. Rangers can also move Lindgren/Goodrow for additional space because they aren’t irreplaceable players. Basically just rambling now but I think the Rangers can make a move draft week if they so desire. Could be interesting.

Man Toffolli would be a damn good move for this team *this year* if they aren’t moving Laf (or Kreider down). He plays N/S game, right handed shot, 34 goals (74.6% of them at ES), right wing is a hole at the moment obviously. 63.6% corsi, cup winner,

But what’s the next contract look like even with the cap expected to go up?

Toffoli & Hanifin for our 1st Lindgren & Goodrow

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I didnt pay enough attention to the flames this year, who were his linemates?
I dont think he was the one creating offense.
You might not be wrong about him playing N/S but I dont ever remember him as a creator.
Also looking at his stats. He's been a 40-50pt guy his entire career, and then exploded for 73 pts. He's not a 73 pt guy.

Dube and Lindholm (but we have Zibanejad). I don’t know about creating offense because I don’t have access to EH anymore. His assists were up tho from previous years. I would assume he would be playing with top players here too whether that’s Kreider/Mika or Panarin/Tro etc.

Yeah he did explode this year. Anyone know what kind of talent he was playing with him in Montreal and LA?

 

[McRanger92]

Dube and Lindholm (but we have Zibanejad). I don’t know about creating offense because I don’t have access to EH anymore. His assists were up tho from previous years. I would assume he would be playing with top players here too whether that’s Kreider/Mika or Panarin/Tro etc.

Yeah he did explode this year. Anyone know what kind of talent he was playing with him in Montreal and LA?

Toffoli has been good and a winning player at every stop outside of Vancouver (who can blame him?). I’m very interested. Don’t mind that he’s a former nemesis either

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’d love to have Toffoli.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The Rangers should give Laf and Kakko ample opportunities in the top 6 for multiple reasons.

1. They will be good enough as a team to be in a playoff spot at the TDL anyway
2. If the kids emerge like we all hope, they won’t need to spend yet another 1st rd pick on a deadline rental
3. It’s the cheapest option for a cap strapped team.

Kreider or Laf move to the RW and get over it.

The number one reason and most important is that this team is going nowhere without the kids.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The number one reason and most important is that this team is going nowhere without the kids.

Exactly. If the kids somehow explode into at least 60 pt players this year, w/o anyone else sliding back, the rangers are a top 5 team in the NHL.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I’d love to have Toffoli.

Can the Rangers afford him? I’d love him on this team. Shoot first mentality. Good player.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I think if there is organizational doubt in Lafreniere, trading him for a top 6 RW who is the right fit could be enticing. Rather move Panarin but it seems impossible and I think Laviolette can get him to buy in again. Othmann or Cuylle could win the 3LW job out of camp. We would still have a lot of young talent.

I don’t know who the right guy is out there, but there are a lot of names.

Lindholm
Toffoli
Konecny
Dubois
DeBrincat
Scheifele
Wilson

Some I like more than I there’s but teams are looking to sell, @RangerBoy alluded to the lack of demand due to no cap space. Rangers can also move Lindgren/Goodrow for additional space because they aren’t irreplaceable players. Basically just rambling now but I think the Rangers can make a move draft week if they so desire. Could be interesting.


Toffoli & Hanifin for our 1st Lindgren &

Interesting proposal but I dunno if CGY would want Lindgren would he sign there?

I dunno why it posted the same pics twice lol but at least as of January those were his metrics this season. I’m sure some of it had to do with playing with Lindholm but the Rangers have Zibanejad

 

[zlev]

Toffoli & Hanifin for our 1st Lindgren & Goodrow

i would friggin love this but i gotta think there'd be better offers than this out there unfortunately

 

[NYR Viper]

40 of the 55 points Wheeler scored were at ES, 58% corsi, 46 points in 82 games is his career average at ES

Does he drive possession? Anyone have the chart?

Really might be a decent option if he’s bought out.

He isn’t a ‘might’. If he can be fit in via the cap he’s a very good, possibly excellent addition

I like Wheeler as a player. Rumors of his leadership / room behavior aside, is he really what we need?

Zib, Panarin, Kreider, Chytil/Trocheck, Laf, Kakko. That's your top six. Why put Wheeler on the 3rd line? Assume one of Kreider, Bread, or Laf move to RW. That means your 3rd line is prime to be more of an energy/checking line. Not sure Wheeler fits in there.

Wheeler, low-key is an excellent 2-way forward. He has used his size and reach to his advantage to disrupt plays and passing lanes for years.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

He isn’t a ‘might’. If he can be fit in via the cap he’s a very good, possibly excellent addition



Wheeler, low-key is an excellent 2-way forward. He has used his size and reach to his advantage to disrupt plays and passing lanes for years.

Lebrun saying he won’t be a Jet this season.

We would need a buyout or double retention in order to really have a chance to fit him and then it comes down to offers from other teams

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Interesting proposal but I dunno if CGY would want Lindgren would he sign there?

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I dunno why it posted the same pics twice lol but at least as of January those were his metrics this season. I’m sure some of it had to do with playing with Lindholm but the Rangers have Zibanejad

I think the 2 years of control with Lindgren has more value than the 1 year of Toffoli.

I don't know what a fair package for him would be though.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He isn’t a ‘might’. If he can be fit in via the cap he’s a very good, possibly excellent addition



Wheeler, low-key is an excellent 2-way forward. He has used his size and reach to his advantage to disrupt plays and passing lanes for years.

No thanks, imo he's been a big part of the culture issue in Winnipeg for too long.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I think the 2 years of control with Lindgren has more value than the 1 year of Toffoli.

I don't know what a fair package for him would be though.

I didn’t realize he was still a RFA after this season.

 

[NYR Viper]

No thanks, imo he's been a big part of the culture issue in Winnipeg for too long.

Luckily the Rangers will know the truth with Trouba here

 

[RGY]

Do not trade Lafreniere and Kakko after we just hired quality Assistants who could help them reach their potential. Let those coaches at least get a half season with them

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Do not trade Lafreniere and Kakko after we just hired quality Assistants who could help them reach their potential. Let those coaches at least get a half season with them

Laf has to get higher than LW3 to reach anything. I agree I wouldn’t trade either one lol.

Someone on cap friendly a flames fan mentioned 23 + Goodrow for Toffolli. I mean I do it if we can sign Toffolli beyond this year reasonably. Don’t want to give up 1sts anymore for rentals.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Laf has to get higher than LW3 to reach anything. I agree I wouldn’t trade either one lol.

Someone on cap friendly a flames fan mentioned 23 + Goodrow for Toffolli. I mean I do it if we can sign Toffolli beyond this year reasonably. Don’t want to give up 1sts anymore for rentals.

I honestly think we just gotta start trusting the kids and stop putting road blocks ahead of them

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I honestly think we just gotta start trusting the kids and stop putting road blocks ahead of them

I agree but unless someone is moving to RW2 there’s a hole no matter what.

 

[RGY]

Re-Sign Tarasenko. Re-Sign Kane and LTIR him.

Panarin-Zib-Kakko
Lafreniere-Chytil-Tarasenko
Kreider-Trocheck-xxxx
xxxx-xxxx-Vesey
LTIR: Kane

This assumes Goodrow is not back. You can possibly fill one of those spots with Motte. Cuylle could be an option too. Othmann.

I see a lot of fans posting lineups with Noel Acciari getting $1.5 aav. That just cannot happen. You gotta find the guys willing to play for $1 million or less. That rule applies to Motte too. And you can find quality role players for the 4th line. They are out there. Bjugstad probably gets a pay bump but he interests me. However, there is a plethora of others. Lars Eller is another. JT Compher. The 4th liners are out there. And I am sure there will be plenty of guys willing to sign a 1 year deal with the hope that the cap does jump next offseason to possibly get a 2-3 year deal at a higher AAV.