Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[Shesterkybomb]

Tarasenkos timing for us isnt great, this is his retirement contract, i doubt the term or money suits us. Imo, if Ottawa was smart they'd quickly trade Debrinccat and sign Tarasenko, he'd be a perfect fit with Brady.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Tarasenkos timing for us isnt great, this is his retirement contract, i doubt the term or money suits us. Imo, if Ottawa was smart they'd quickly trade Debrinccat and sign Tarasenko, he'd be a perfect fit with Brady.

With the flat cap lasting one more season I can see some of these guys signing one year deals with less money just so they can be free agents again next summer when the cap jumps up a lot and teams have flexibility

 

[McRanger92]

With the flat cap lasting one more season I can see some of these guys signing one year deals with less money just so they can be free agents again next summer when the cap jumps up a lot and teams have flexibility

I know it was reported he is looking for a big payday, but that originally came from the St. Louis media (bootlickers for Doug Armstrong). Reading the tea leaves it always seemed like that snippet was to justify trading him away. When he spoke publicly in NY after the trade, I felt like he was a guy at peace with the money he's made in his career and seemed like comfortability and winning were more important to him

 

[NYR Viper]

Tarasenko can be fit. It’s right. If Drury goes longer term he can get the cap hit down. 4 years at $4.5m.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Tarasenko can be fit. It’s right. If Drury goes longer term he can get the cap hit down. 4 years at $4.5m.

That would probably be his last ufa deal. He’s probably want more than 4.5 if he’s only doing 4m.

 

[RGY]

What sort of contracts are you giving Tarasenko and Kane in this scenario?

When Kane comes off LTIR, how are we fitting him under the cap and whose spot is he taking?

Tarasenko 4.5 x 3 years

Kane 3.0 x 2

It would be tight but you wouldn’t be able to carry a 7th D and you would have to go with a 4th line that is all $1 million or less. Same with your backup. The goal would be to have about $1 million in cap space to start the season so that you are accruing daily throughout the season with the other goal being to have enough space in January when Kane is ready to come off LTIR. I don’t know all the math but that is my approach. You certainly wouldn’t be rushing to get Kane off of LTIR. Vegas has done this with Stone.

 

[RangerBoy]

The cap increase for next summer won't be a huge jump. The MOU states the cap increases can't be more than 5% after the players pay off their debt. The lag formula is already built in.

23-24 $83,500,000
24-25 $87,760,000
25-26 $92,058,750

The CBA ends after 25-26.

Sportsnet reported the cap projections last fall. If you do the math, those are 5% increases after the players pay off their debt which is reportedly $70M.

The cap isn’t going up $8M next summer. $4,175,000.

NHL preparing teams for sharp salary cap increase over next three seasons

The NHL salary cap rose for the first time in three seasons this year, setting at $82.5 million for 2022-23. And as the league returns to normalcy, that number should rise considerably more in the coming yearts.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[IDvsEGO]

Tarasenko 4.5 x 3 years

Kane 3.0 x 2

It would be tight but you wouldn’t be able to carry a 7th D and you would have to go with a 4th line that is all $1 million or less. Same with your backup. The goal would be to have about $1 million in cap space to start the season so that you are accruing daily throughout the season with the other goal being to have enough space in January when Kane is ready to come off LTIR. I don’t know all the math but that is my approach. You certainly wouldn’t be rushing to get Kane off of LTIR. Vegas has done this with Stone.

The question is more where is he playing in the lineup assuming he’s healthy off ltir.

You’re gonna make the playoffs with that roster, but then you’re gonna push someone down to the 4th for a guy who hasn’t played all year, or even healthy scratch someone?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The cap increase for next summer won't be a huge jump. The MOU states the cap increases can't be more than 5% after the players pay off their debt. The lag formula is already built in.

23-24 $83,500,000
24-25 $87,760,000
25-26 $92,058,750

The CBA ends after 25-26.

Sportsnet reported the cap projections last fall. If you do the math, those are 5% increases after the players pay off their debt which is reportedly $70M.

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The cap isn’t going up $8M next summer. $4,175,000.

Lmao, of course they added this in too.

 

[NYR Viper]

That would probably be his last ufa deal. He’s probably want more than 4.5 if he’s only doing 4m.

I’m not sure that’s true. That would take him to 35. And his net earnings would, I think, exceed $70m if I remember correctly. That’s just warnings from hockey salary in the NHL.

The question is more where is he playing in the lineup assuming he’s healthy off ltir.

You’re gonna make the playoffs with that roster, but then you’re gonna push someone down to the 4th for a guy who hasn’t played all year, or even healthy scratch someone?

It’s a good point but injuries will happen probably

 

[RangerBoy]

Lmao, of course they added this in too.

Elliotte Friedman reported those numbers last fall. The math checks out. 5%.

 

[bernmeister]

Panarin has a no move clause and does not want to be traded, by all accounts. Until I hear otherwise, it’s a waste to consider options to move him.

Trouba was named captain of the team last season, and also has a no move clause.

While these moves might be the right moves for the team in a fantasy world, they’re not grounded in reality. I don’t see this as an option going into next season.

1. Don't give up on what is the correct thing to do.
2. I specified Trouba MAYBE willing to go early b'c it is clear his protection morphs into nmc->ntc, so again, IF we bend over backwards to relocation of his preference, I could see, not def, but maybe, he goes along. Plus, we owe him a favor (unofficially but real world says hi).
3. Bread there is nothing to do until his deal runs out, but as I have said, I think he does not wait til the very last minute knowing there is zero chance he is extended, and less so of getting anything remotely close to 11+m on his next pact, esp w/us.
Therefore, we should not coddle him, play him 3rd line, and see if he can be moved.

 

[RGY]

The question is more where is he playing in the lineup assuming he’s healthy off ltir.

You’re gonna make the playoffs with that roster, but then you’re gonna push someone down to the 4th for a guy who hasn’t played all year, or even healthy scratch someone?

Yes I am very ok with pushing the 3RW plug down to the 4th line and then that 4th line winger becoming a 13th forward. That isn’t stopping me from having a future HOFer be in the lineup as the 3RW next to Kreider-Troch.

Even if that 3RW plug is Othmann, it really is ok for him to go down to the AHL and get 1st line minutes halfway thru the year. Unless of course he explodes on the scene. Then you have a different decision to make but that is a great problem to have

 

[DanielBrassard]

The cap increase for next summer won't be a huge jump. The MOU states the cap increases can't be more than 5% after the players pay off their debt. The lag formula is already built in.

23-24 $83,500,000
24-25 $87,760,000
25-26 $92,058,750

The CBA ends after 25-26.

Sportsnet reported the cap projections last fall. If you do the math, those are 5% increases after the players pay off their debt which is reportedly $70M.

View attachment 720403
The cap isn’t going up $8M next summer. $4,175,000.

NHL preparing teams for sharp salary cap increase over next three seasons

The NHL salary cap rose for the first time in three seasons this year, setting at $82.5 million for 2022-23. And as the league returns to normalcy, that number should rise considerably more in the coming yearts.

www.sportsnet.ca

I think there’s a mechanism for them to change that number so theoretically it could be a larger increase than that but I’m certainly going to need to see it to believe it. It’s so f***ing stupid though, I thought the cap was supposed to be tied to revenues, but now that’s out the window too?

 

[cheech70]

Does Taffoli being available alter our plans to sign Tank?

 

[duhmetreE]

I think there’s a mechanism for them to change that number so theoretically it could be a larger increase than that but I’m certainly going to need to see it to believe it. It’s so f***ing stupid though, I thought the cap was supposed to be tied to revenues, but now that’s out the window too?

The fact that it has not been amended to fit the times is asinine.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Does Taffoli being available alter our plans to sign Tank?

Toffolli at 40-50% retained would likely be much cheaper cap wise but what would it require going to Calgary.. we’ve been discussing Toffolli a lot since it was rumored he was available

 

[NYR Viper]

Does Taffoli being available alter our plans to sign Tank?

It shouldn’t. Tarasenko is free, Toffoli will require assets.

 

[duhmetreE]

Bettman isn't changing things on purpose. It's better for business. The org's are allowed to get 'healthier' with temporary restrictions on expenditures. In the macro it's probably best for the league but when your team is up against the cap, no one really cares about that.

His baby in Arizona gets to save millions... if not tens of millions. Do they even pay the salary of the players on LTIR or does insurance?

 

[GAGLine]

Tarasenko 4.5 x 3 years

Kane 3.0 x 2

It would be tight but you wouldn’t be able to carry a 7th D and you would have to go with a 4th line that is all $1 million or less. Same with your backup. The goal would be to have about $1 million in cap space to start the season so that you are accruing daily throughout the season with the other goal being to have enough space in January when Kane is ready to come off LTIR. I don’t know all the math but that is my approach. You certainly wouldn’t be rushing to get Kane off of LTIR. Vegas has done this with Stone.

Yeah, that doesn't work. Even if we could make the cap work for the beginning of the season, we wouldn't be accruing any cap space. The only way we'd be able to activate Kane would be to trade someone first or play short-handed.

 

[huerter]

It shouldn’t. Tarasenko is free, Toffoli will require assets.

One guy we all did an extended libero on and the analysis is quite unflattering. The other is JAD (just a donk) for the time being. You know more about a guy in your uniform for 10 games than a different uniform for 10 years.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Does Taffoli being available alter our plans to sign Tank?

I want absolutely nothing to do with Toefooly.

 

[duhmetreE]

with the cap flat, how many UFAs will settle for a 1 or 2 year deal and bet on themselves?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I mean he's a quirky personality. Why is this all on Wheeler? Perhaps he was nice but others weren't? I mean these are adults...

Adults are just old babies

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm liking the idea of Erne more and more. He plays with an edge and speed the team needs. Obviously no spares to start the season. They could offer Halak league minimum and bonuses which can be pushed out to next season to help create some space. Or they could go 2 years will Miller and drop his cap hit down maybe $500k per year.