Injury Report: 2024-2025 Injury thread | HF’s Longest Thread Just Got Longer

[RoyIsALegend]

Manson update:

 

[sethro109]

Manson update:

They really shouldn't rush him back. Shitty has been OK with G the last two games. f***ed up bad in the first last game, but other than that, he's been fine. Sam M with Lindgren is a mystery box though...

 

[dahrougem2]

So until Manson gets back we're looking at

Toews - Makar
Girard - Kylington
Lindgren - Malinski

Then when Manson returns, I imagine he goes back to the 2nd pair with Girard while whoever is playing better from Kylingtin/Malinski remains in the lineup on the 3rd pair.

I have a feeling the Avs are done on D once Manson returns. I'd prefer to solidify the position even more but I think they're done and will prioritize forwards at the TDL.

 

[CobraAcesS]

So until Manson gets back we're looking at

Toews - Makar
Girard - Kylington
Lindgren - Malinski

Then when Manson returns, I imagine he goes back to the 2nd pair with Girard while whoever is playing better from Kylingtin/Malinski remains in the lineup on the 3rd pair.

I have a feeling the Avs are done on D once Manson returns. I'd prefer to solidify the position even more but I think they're done and will prioritize forwards at the TDL.

EJ is still out there, and cheap. He may not be an every night player, but as an 8? Go get em.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Manson update:

By hoping he returns by the end of the week. Are they hoping he returns to practice by the end of the week? Or something a bit more positive?

 

[RoyIsALegend]

By hoping he returns by the end of the week. Are they hoping he returns to practice by the end of the week? Or something a bit more positive?

He practiced with the team today for 15 minutes before leaving practice. He’s also been practicing on his own with the skills coach every day.

The goal is likely to integrate into full practices with no limitations during the week and to be ready for Saturday night against the Maple Leafs.

 

[Sea Eagles]

So until Manson gets back we're looking at

Toews - Makar
Girard - Kylington
Lindgren - Malinski

Then when Manson returns, I imagine he goes back to the 2nd pair with Girard while whoever is playing better from Kylingtin/Malinski remains in the lineup on the 3rd pair.

I have a feeling the Avs are done on D once Manson returns. I'd prefer to solidify the position even more but I think they're done and will prioritize forwards at the TDL.

Sorry mate, didn't see this before I posted the D-core in the trades thread.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

He practiced with the team today for 15 minutes before leaving practice. He’s also been practicing on his own with the skills coach every day.

The goal is likely to integrate into full practices with no limitations during the week and to be ready for Saturday night against the Maple Leafs.

Your lips to gods ears. I miss seeing Josh playing. Also feel like his particular set of skills (balls of brass and absolutely no f***s to give) would give a big boost to the Avs right about now.

 

[dahrougem2]

Your lips to gods ears. I miss seeing Josh playing. Also feel like his particular set of skills (balls of brass and absolutely no f***s to give) would give a big boost to the Avs right about now.

Manson has been hilariously bad aside from a few games this season.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Manson has been hilariously bad aside from a few games this season.

His play in the regular season has never been what has made him important to this team. However, we are in the stretch now and it's time for him to be on ice and rounding into the kind of physical shape that will allow him to do what makes him effective once the dance begins.

 

[flyfysher]

EJ is still out there, and cheap. He may not be an every night player, but as an 8? Go get em.

I thought he’s totally cooked.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I thought he’s totally cooked.

You say that like that would make a difference in our bottom pairing.

At this point, making them likeable might be the best we can do.

 

[Foppa2118]

Manson update:

lol it's the start of the week. And they're "hoping" he can make it back by the end of the week? See ya next month Josh.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

lol it's the start of the week. And they're "hoping" he can make it back by the end of the week? See ya next month Josh.

Here you go guys...you heard it from @Foppa2118 himself.....he says it is the start of the week and it is Sunday. Boom!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[expatriatedtexan]

lol it's the start of the week. And they're "hoping" he can make it back by the end of the week? See ya next month Josh.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Good article.

Lonzo Ball has been sounding board for Avalanche’s Gabe Landeskog during knee rehab: “You’ve just gotta keep pushing through”

Avalanche captain Gabe Landeskog has one contact in his phone who knows what he’s going through.

www.denverpost.com

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Good article.

Lonzo Ball has been sounding board for Avalanche’s Gabe Landeskog during knee rehab: “You’ve just gotta keep pushing through”

Avalanche captain Gabe Landeskog has one contact in his phone who knows what he’s going through.

www.denverpost.com

RIAL... For the first time, I'm beginning to believe Gabe is done.

I fail to see how hockey could possibly be more tough on a knee joint. A hardwood floor causes so much more torque, force, and pressure on a joint than a skate on ice. Hockey is more about momentum, force, velocity and point of contact.

If Gabe isn't close to going now, he's done. I probably should have allowed myself to really consider this before but I always thought this year.. after being reportedly close last playoffs... I thought he would be good this year. Then he showed up at camp and said, he's not ready. He's skated off and on, with and without vido evidence and with varying differences in what it looked like he could accomplish. I kinda of thought this was all tongue and cheek as they were playing some LTIR salary cap shenanigans.

I was niave.

He's still not playing or skating in a non-contact jersey. If he's not activated game one of the playoffs and absolutely killing folks, the Avs really need to tell him to quit wasting everyone's time, energy and most of all hope. I've always said that I'd like to see Gabe call it a career. But after two+ seasons, if he's not ready to play and still not ready to call it, I think management has every right and in fact a responsibility to make the call for him. I hate to say it, but you do not extend your legacy by handicapping your team in a cap era.

I mean we've got a player in Stage 3 of the PAP who has more availability to the team than Gabe does. Harsh as f***...but it's the truth.

 

[dahrougem2]

Good article.

Lonzo Ball has been sounding board for Avalanche’s Gabe Landeskog during knee rehab: “You’ve just gotta keep pushing through”

Avalanche captain Gabe Landeskog has one contact in his phone who knows what he’s going through.

www.denverpost.com

I just can't see him ever returning. Basketball is so much harder on knees and Lonzo has made a return WAY faster than Landeskog. Ball's timeframe was legit the timeframe that we heard Landeskog was given post-surgery.

Meanwhile, Landeksog is entering month 23 - a full 7 months past the expected return date and nobody knows if he's even skating let alone close to returning.

It's just sad to me. We all know how badly he wants to return but at some point reality has to come into play and Gabe needs to ask himself if this is truly possible, because I don't know if it is based on how long it's taking.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I just can't see him ever returning. Basketball is so much harder on knees and Lonzo has made a return WAY faster than Landeskog. Ball's timeframe was legit the timeframe that we heard Landeskog was given post-surgery.

Meanwhile, Landeksog is entering month 23 - a full 7 months past the expected return date and nobody knows if he's even skating let alone close to returning.

It's just sad to me. We all know how badly he wants to return but at some point reality has to come into play and Gabe needs to ask himself if this is truly possible, because I don't know if it is based on how long it's taking.

At the end of January, we saw videos of him in practice flying up and down the ice, turning and pivoting both ways, looking real good. Then... nothing for another month. It's so weird.

He legit told the boys last playoffs to get to the third round to give him a chance. Crazy that he thought or felt he was that close.

Even in the article I posted, last summer in the golf tournament, he told people he can't say if it's game 1, 10, or 20, but they'll see him this year. We're at game 60.

Constant setbacks. So depressing. I can't imagine the mental strain on the human psyche.

 

[dahrougem2]

At the end of January, we saw videos of him in practice flying up and down the ice, turning and pivoting both ways, looking real good. Then... nothing for another month. It's so weird.

He legit told the boys last playoffs to get to the third round to give him a chance. Crazy that he thought or felt he was that close.

Even in the article I posted, last summer in the golf tournament, he told people he can't say if it's game 1, 10, or 20, but they'll see him this year. We're at game 60.

Constant setbacks. So depressing. I can't imagine the mental strain on the human psyche.

I've long wondered about the medical process behind this and perhaps @S E P H can speak more to it, but if I'm not mistaken they took this cartilage from cadavers which were preserved and the conspiracy theorist in me questions whether the transplant Ball got ended up meshing with his body than the one Landeskog got.

 

[Foppa2118]

I've long wondered about the medical process behind this and perhaps @S E P H can speak more to it, but if I'm not mistaken they took this cartilage from cadavers which were preserved and the conspiracy theorist in me questions whether the transplant Ball got ended up meshing with his body than the one Landeskog got.

I don't know if we know enough to suggest that might be what's going on, but that's a legit possibility with transplants.

I still think not rushing him, because they might need him on LTIR for deadline moves, is a strong possibility.

 

[S E P H]

I've long wondered about the medical process behind this and perhaps @S E P H can speak more to it, but if I'm not mistaken they took this cartilage from cadavers which were preserved and the conspiracy theorist in me questions whether the transplant Ball got ended up meshing with his body than the one Landeskog got.

The majority of the stuff is from cadavers and frozen. It's not just cartilage, we got frozen femur heads, feces for bad cases of c-diff, patella caps, random tendons, chips of bone, etc. You honestly do not know which one is better, Ball might have taken care of his knee a lot better than Landeskog did and why he's gotten better results. They (Ball/Gabe) might have gotten special treatment, but from the ones I work with, expiration date is a bigger issue for hospitals. Even frozen, a lot of these tissues do not have long expiration dates and must be used before it expires or the hospital has to throw it away. They cost a lot, I think one femur is around 1k I believe.

The problem with Landeskog is that the swelling isn't going down, meaning he has something called seroma or just the accumulation of fluid after surgery. Surgery tends to damage the surrounding lymphatic tissue, which brings about a lot of inflammation and where there is inflammation, there is going to be swelling. It usually decreases every 7-12 days or so (cartilage could take upwards of 12 months though). If you ever had major surgery, a lot of surgeons actually put in drainage tubes and bulbs for the recovery days. This is common for major ones like DIEP breast reconstruction, in which you can expect a lot of fluid considering the process of the surgery. So why isn't Landy's inflammation going down? The answer to that is probably two-fold; one, he played on his damage leg a lot and a ton of mileage, meaning he never really gave it a proper rest that chondrocytes need (time mostly). Second, and a good chance it is the money maker, the swelling isn't going down because he had a pre-existing condition before the surgery (aka the cut), which required him to get the surgery.

So it is a multifaceted pathophysiology approach that he's dealing with. He didn't allow cells that are very hard to heal to rest properly. The surgery could be successful, but because the condition was bad enough, it was never going to get back to where it originally was (constant swelling after strenuous activity). The rise of scar tissue is another factor which takes the place of the duty of the original cells. I also would not be surprised if he's suffering from some beginning stages of arthritis as well. Cartilage transplant isn't also very good for sports that involve twisting and running. Skating is a different form of running and twisting is a significant part of the sport (I would guess this is what is causing him fits with edge work). I forget who it was, but I read a comment on here ages back which said that Landeskog pretty much gave up his knee for us to win the Cup and in hindsight, good chance that is the case.

 

[Foppa2118]

The problem with Landeskog is that the swelling isn't going down, meaning he has something called seroma or just the accumulation of fluid after surgery.

We don't know that's what's going on now though. It could be, but we just know it was an issue early on. Which sounds as expected.

Bednar denied that the swelling was affecting him skate now, for whatever that's worth, which may not be much.

 

[S E P H]

We don't know that's what's going on now though. It could be, but we just know it was an issue early on. Which sounds as expected.

Bednar denied that the swelling was affecting him skate now, for whatever that's worth, which may not be much.

Mine are just educated guesses. I can't make a proper diagnosis without the MRI report, data, history, etc.

Bednar denied that the swelling was affecting him skate now, for whatever that's worth, which may not be much.

I am going to favour Kaplan's insider info, who has no ties to the organisation to be biased (unlike Russo/Strickland), which she mentions swelling over Bednar's mouthpiece IMHO. She might have been fed bad info, but I see absolutely no reason for Emily to lie compared to Jared.

 

[Foppa2118]

Mine are just educated guesses. I can't make a proper diagnosis without the MRI report, data, history, etc.


I am going to favour Kaplan's insider info, who has no ties to the organisation to be biased (unlike Russo/Strickland), which she mentions swelling over Bednar's mouthpiece IMHO. She might have been fed bad info, but I see absolutely no reason for Emily to lie compared to Jared.

FWIW, I think Emily was piggybacking off Seravalli's report about Gabe's knee blowing up with swelling after every skate, which Bednar said, "No, no truth to that." Seravalli reported it first.

We've seen numerous reports from Seravalli lately turn out not to be true.

Just my guess, but I think Seravalli was going off rumors he heard that were based on Gabe's rehab earlier in the season. Not uncommon fro there to be a delay between when thing happen and when insiders hear them/report them.

Given Seravalli's strong desire to be first in his reporting at the expense of accuracy, I can also see him knowing that was old info, but leaving that part out because it made it was less interesting.