Injury Report: 2024-2025 Injury thread | HF’s Longest Thread Just Got Longer

[S E P H]

FWIW, I think Emily was piggybacking off Seravalli's report about Gabe's knee blowing up with swelling after every skate, which Bednar said, "No, no truth to that." Seravalli reported it first.

We've seen numerous reports from Seravalli lately turn out not to be true.

She totally could be, but it isn't like she doesn't have sources either. It could be from the same source who gave her and Seravalli the news. Frank issued it first and Emily saved hers for the telly segment with ESPN. As you said, we simply do not know, but we do know that he's suffered setback after setback. Honestly, at this point it could be classified as a huge setback since everyone thought he would be ready already. Maybe Landeskog was too optimistic about the condition he's in?!

All we have is results, and the data right now shows that he isn't practicing with the team. Any on ice practice he's doing is in lockdown mode, away from media. That already is bad optics for him to be ready for round one of the playoffs if you'd ask me.

 

[Foppa2118]

She totally could be, but it isn't like she doesn't have sources either. It could be from the same source who gave her and Seravalli the news. Frank issued it first and Emily saved hers for the telly segment with ESPN. As you said, we simply do not know, but we do know that he's suffered setback after setback. Honestly, at this point it could be classified as a huge setback since everyone thought he would be ready already. Maybe Landeskog was too optimistic about the condition he's in?!

All we have is results, and the data right now shows that he isn't practicing with the team. Any on ice practice he's doing is in lockdown mode, away from media. That already is bad optics for him to be ready for round one of the playoffs if you'd ask me.

Yeah, and I'm not taking issue with what you're saying here, or that Gabe could have had a setback recently, but since this is an important topic, I also just wanted to point out that we don't know for sure he's had a lot of setbacks, or how bad they were.

I think we heard earlier in the season he had a setback. So one at least. Which sounds like was the case with Ball as well. Lots of good days, and bad days, and feeling like it's not gonna work out.

But the idea they're milking LTIR, or at least don't want to rush Gabe because they want to keep their options open for deadline moves, and don't want to rub the league's face in it by showing Gabe fly up and down the ice every day, is also a possibility. He skates on his own a lot away from cameras.

I think we'll have a better idea of where he may be at in his rehab, and his chances of returning, after the deadline. If they don't make any big moves they would need him on LTIR for, and he still doesn't come back during the regular season, then it's concerning.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Yeah, and I'm not taking issue with what you're saying here, or that Gabe could have had a setback recently, but since this is an important topic, I also just wanted to point out that we don't know for sure he's had a lot of setbacks, or how bad they were.

I think we heard earlier in the season he had a setback. So one at least. Which sounds like was the case with Ball as well. Lots of good days, and bad days, and feeling like it's not gonna work out.

But the idea they're milking LTIR, or at least don't want to rush Gabe because they want to keep their options open for deadline moves, and don't want to rub the league's face in it by showing Gabe fly up and down the ice every day, is also a possibility. He skates on his own a lot away from cameras.

I think we'll have a better idea of where he may be at in his rehab, and his chances of returning, after the deadline. If they don't make any big moves they would need him on LTIR for, and he still doesn't come back during the regular season, then it's concerning.

Pretending anyone knows anything about what the Avs are doing is just dumb at this point.

Everyone in the world was looking at Jones, but CMac. His f***ing heart was set on Lindgren.

Will be watching along with the rest of y'all. But if I'm honest, CMac already ran the white flag up on the season. No excuse for this bullshit play. He made a move to make a move regardless of the cost. Both he and Bednar must go this summer. We don't need to continue with a dysfunctional relationship and I'm tired of trying to say who sucks more. Get rid of the both of them and start anew.

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but how long has it been since CMac made a move that actually improved the team? He's made a shit ton of moves... but how long has it been since he actually gave Bednar a player Jared would use? This f***ing deal downgraded us from CDH to Lindgren, increased the payroll by what? 1.75Mish dollars and we only had to give up Juuso (a guy CMac brought in to be our third line C who Bednar never once attempted in that position) a second and a fourth round draft pick.

For what? A potential downgrade at 3LD? Look, I'm tongue in cheek here. He's probably better than CDH. But is he worth CDH, a 2nd a 4th plus an increas of cap hit close to 1.25M for a bottom pairing dman Bednar will never f***ing touch.

 

[Foppa2118]

Pretending anyone knows anything about what the Avs are doing is just dumb at this point.

Everyone in the world was looking at Jones, but CMac. His f***ing heart was set on Lindgren.

Will be watching along with the rest of y'all. But if I'm honest, CMac already ran the white flag up on the season. No excuse for this bullshit play. He made a move to make a move regardless of the cost. Both he and Bednar must go this summer. We don't need to continue with a dysfunctional relationship and I'm tired of trying to say who sucks more. Get rid of the both of them and start anew.

Might even have enough legs left in MacKinnon and Makar to make some noise if a new management can change directions.

At least give it until the deadline ET. Maybe we get something out of left field. Everyone was feeling like he wouldn't do anything last year, before he made the Mitts trade. Ok bad example maybe.

This team is close to contending IMO. They just need an upgrade at 2C and 3RD. Question is do they get it?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

At least give it until the deadline ET. Maybe we get something out of left field. Everyone was feeling like he wouldn't do anything last year, before he made the Mitts trade. Ok bad example maybe.

This team is close to contending IMO. They just need an upgrade at 2C and 3RD. Question is do they get it?

I'll still be watching.

Just have absolute zero faith in this management anymore. It is entirely too clear the GM and HC don't see eye to eye. Any moves until one or both of them are gone at this point is just a waste. If you are spending assets but not on the same page there is no chance for it to work out.

I've given CMac every opportunity of doubt until now. He's now wasting the assets he brought in during the same f***ing season because he has a HC who disagrees with him. To continue spending assets to try an appease this coach instead of firing him outright is assisine. To continue to spend assets and try to make trades that will accomodate him is to sign your own resignation papers.

CMac is at a crossroads. Either he can decide where the Avs go or Sakic should step in. But for a GM to be at this much mercy of his HC is just bad f***ing form. I kinda of think this is why you end up with Mikko thinking he's worth 13M. You've got a head coach who sucks the dick of a few few ungodly players and gives no shits for the rest of the team. You've got a GM trying to plug holes and make a bottom six than can play a few minutes and his HC keeps telling him no... I want to ride 5 gives even more.

This has probably been a long time coming, but Jared Bednar is a menace if the Avs want to win another cup. This man must be thanked for everything he did. A decade and a stanley cup is so much more than any other head coach will every achieve. But if we want to win again, he has to go. He has proven to be incapable of adapting to the changes of the team and the league. His philosophy may still be sound but his voice is so beyond stale and the stable of horses he has at his disposal are not what they were in '22. He's still coaching them like they are though and that is his biggest downfall.

He never could adjust in game. The last two years have shown he can't adjust period. It's not the '22 team. Why is he still coaching them like they are?

 

[dahrougem2]

The majority of the stuff is from cadavers and frozen. It's not just cartilage, we got frozen femur heads, feces for bad cases of c-diff, patella caps, random tendons, chips of bone, etc. You honestly do not know which one is better, Ball might have taken care of his knee a lot better than Landeskog did and why he's gotten better results. They (Ball/Gabe) might have gotten special treatment, but from the ones I work with, expiration date is a bigger issue for hospitals. Even frozen, a lot of these tissues do not have long expiration dates and must be used before it expires or the hospital has to throw it away. They cost a lot, I think one femur is around 1k I believe.

The problem with Landeskog is that the swelling isn't going down, meaning he has something called seroma or just the accumulation of fluid after surgery. Surgery tends to damage the surrounding lymphatic tissue, which brings about a lot of inflammation and where there is inflammation, there is going to be swelling. It usually decreases every 7-12 days or so (cartilage could take upwards of 12 months though). If you ever had major surgery, a lot of surgeons actually put in drainage tubes and bulbs for the recovery days. This is common for major ones like DIEP breast reconstruction, in which you can expect a lot of fluid considering the process of the surgery. So why isn't Landy's inflammation going down? The answer to that is probably two-fold; one, he played on his damage leg a lot and a ton of mileage, meaning he never really gave it a proper rest that chondrocytes need (time mostly). Second, and a good chance it is the money maker, the swelling isn't going down because he had a pre-existing condition before the surgery (aka the cut), which required him to get the surgery.

So it is a multifaceted pathophysiology approach that he's dealing with. He didn't allow cells that are very hard to heal to rest properly. The surgery could be successful, but because the condition was bad enough, it was never going to get back to where it originally was (constant swelling after strenuous activity). The rise of scar tissue is another factor which takes the place of the duty of the original cells. I also would not be surprised if he's suffering from some beginning stages of arthritis as well. Cartilage transplant isn't also very good for sports that involve twisting and running. Skating is a different form of running and twisting is a significant part of the sport (I would guess this is what is causing him fits with edge work). I forget who it was, but I read a comment on here ages back which said that Landeskog pretty much gave up his knee for us to win the Cup and in hindsight, good chance that is the case.

I think that's a big difference in that Landeskog played on the bad knee for years whereas Ball seemingly stopped immediately upon feeling pain and didn't play until this season.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

Naaaaaaah bruvs, stop being p***yes. The Viking is coming back and will play and you'll all f***ing love every second of it. Now shut up and let me eat my cereal in peace.

 

[niwotsblessing]

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but how long has it been since CMac made a move that actually improved the team? He's made a shit ton of moves... but how long has it been since he actually gave Bednar a player Jared would use?

Mackenzie Blackwood would like a word with you.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but how long has it been since CMac made a move that actually improved the team? He's made a shit ton of moves... but how long has it been since he actually gave Bednar a player Jared would use?

Mackenzie Blackwood would like a word with you.

Umm. Necas + Drury + cap space for a money hungry Rants is working out great, too

 

[AvBuff]

Uhhhh, Drouin was a great add for almost no money. Plus an extension. And let's not downplay the Toews re-signing - he had options and chose to stay because of the atmosphere Sakic and CMac put together.

No GM bats 1000%. Most bat well below .500. Plus, people underestimate CMac's input in building the 2022 squad. Sakic wasn't operating alone. Similarly, CMac doesn't operate in a vacuum either - it's the same management team that compiled the Cup winner.

People look at the 2022 squad as the template for success but that team was like Halley's Comet. Everything - talent, age, salary/cap consideration, injury luck - came together that year. Hell, Landeskog sacrificed his leg for the Cup. And the Avs are still paying for it - literally.

With a salary cap and 2 generational superstars at the top that must get paid in order to keep them, CMac's job ain't easy - which is why he had to cut bait with Mikko. Landy's 3 year drama and the Nichushkin issue means you gotta make risky moves like RyJo for the sake of money. Drouin too. And yes, Nuke. You can't keep everybody you want to keep and you can't afford everybody you'd like to bring in. Give them credit - when they make a mistake, they own it and send them out the door. Being a GM in a cap league is like playing whack a mole every year.

Yes, the jury is still out, but all signs point to CMac/Sakic playing Carolina like a fiddle.

 

[MacKaRtin]

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but how long has it been since CMac made a move that actually improved the team?

Let's see, just this year:
1. Replaced 4giev with Blackwood, massive upgrade, team was killing itself trying to cover the former's mistakes
2. Getting Necas and Drury looks like a shrewd piece of business in a difficult situation

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Let's see, just this year:
1. Replaced 4giev with Blackwood, massive upgrade, team was killing itself trying to cover the former's mistakes
2. Getting Necas and Drury looks like a shrewd piece of business in a difficult situation

Also...

• Sent Cheeks for Wedgewood, massive upgrade.
• Signed Brannstrom for peanuts then traded him for a 4th and LTIR cap space Tucker Poolman
• Traded a 3nd and Pavel for Parssinen and a 7th
• Signed CDH for peanuts, then sent him along with Parssinen for Lindgren and Vesey.

Everyone is crapping on the trade for Lindgren, but if you look at it from where he started the season, CMac basically turned a bottom barrel UFA signing, a nothing prospect in Pavel, plus the 2nd he acquired in the deal for Mikko and the 4th in the deal for Brannstrom, and a 3rd into Lindgren (50% retained), Vesey, and a 7th round pick. That's pretty good asset management there, if you ask me.