Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[Hitch16]

We need to add some pests & goons, we’re by the far the softest team in the history of hockey

Is this Joe Thorton? Where is Tortarella for a response?

 

[McRanger92]

Lindholm will get $8M in his next contract. $8.5M.

I was watching a TSN video earlier this week. Dreger was discussing the trade market. Where are all of these players going? He said the Jets have players available but teams haven’t really made any significant offers for their players. Hellebuyck was $9.5M in his next contract. PLD wants $9M.

I think a lot of these pending UFA players are going to go for draft picks without extensions agreed to. The free agent class of 24 has potential to be stacked with the cap rising.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

that bottom6 is bad imo

it's five 4th liners. Cuylle could eventually develop into a strong 3rd liner. The other four players can plug in for injuries but starting with them on the 3rd line is asking for failure.

We need another top9 player or two. It's why I'm on the Engvall train. I also hope Othmann grabs the spot in training camp. Stylistically, he's exactly what we need.

Its more than fine to start the season. What you start the season with and what you finish with is apples and oranges. With that much cap space assuming a team retains 50%, you can add basically in the range of $16mm worth of cap hit at the deadline to acquire top 6 caliber forwards to plug on the 3rd line with trocheck then scratch 2 of vesey, motte, cuylle for playoffs and have something like the below post TDL

Laff-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kreider
Henrique-Trocheck-Arvidson
Cuylle-Acciari-Hathaway
Motte/Vesey

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’d be interested in Hanifan if the price is reasonable and they trade Lindgren

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

We need to add some pests & goons, we’re by the far the softest team in the history of hockey

Which is why id love to add hathaway and acciari after shipping out goodrow. Having cuylle, hathaway, acciari in the lineup with the potential of othmann as well really jolts this lineup and ends the baby soft team we have

 

[NYR Viper]

Which is why id love to add hathaway and acciari after shipping out goodrow. Having cuylle, hathaway, acciari in the lineup with the potential of othmann as well really jolts this lineup and ends the baby soft team we have

The team needs a couple of guys who can play above the 4th line who can play that style. Acciari and Hathaway are 4th line guys. I like both, but don’t want to spend $3.5m on 4th liners.

If they’re looking for an edge, they should be intrigued by someone like Erne.

Garland is the guy, if they can fit him this season.

 

[IDvsEGO]

We need to add some pests & goons, we’re by the far the softest team in the history of hockey

Yea a team with trouba and Laf is extremely soft.

I also forgot that Kakko and Chytil shy away from contact, and potentially Othmann is 5’8 and refuses to hit.

And just in case you missed it that was sarcasm.

We’re not soft. We have a solid balance of nasty and talent. 5/6 players in our top 6 have no issue playing through contact and are big.
You don’t need 21 guys who play like Claude lemeuix. You need guys who can play through contact, and then a team mentality to skate hard and not shy around the front of the net.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The team needs a couple of guys who can play above the 4th line who can play that style. Acciari and Hathaway are 4th line guys. I like both, but don’t want to spend $3.5m on 4th liners.

If they’re looking for an edge, they should be intrigued by someone like Erne.

Garland is the guy, if they can fit him this season.

I would take Garland at 50% but I’m not trading Laf for him like Van fans want

 

[NYR Viper]

I would take Garland at 50% but I’m not trading Laf for him like Van fans want

Hell no. I don’t think Vancouver is going to be able to get any sort of return for him. That’s just my opinion though

 

[duhmetreE]

Its more than fine to start the season. What you start the season with and what you finish with is apples and oranges. With that much cap space assuming a team retains 50%, you can add basically in the range of $16mm worth of cap hit at the deadline to acquire top 6 caliber forwards to plug on the 3rd line with trocheck then scratch 2 of vesey, motte, cuylle for playoffs and have something like the below post TDL

Laff-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kreider
Henrique-Trocheck-Arvidson
Cuylle-Acciari-Hathaway
Motte/Vesey

I'd rather sign players now than give up assets at the TDL

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Who is available in FA or trade that drives 5 on 5 play? Yes hopefully a coach with a system helps this too but we need players who can do this too if possible

 

[duhmetreE]

Who is available in FA or trade that drives 5 on 5 play? Yes hopefully a coach with a system helps this too but we need players who can do this too if possible

 

[MrAlmost]

Maybe Garland at 50% to the Rangers. 1 of the Sharks 4ths and 1 of the Rangers 6ths to Van. Goodrow to the Sharks? Wishful thinking.

 

[GAGLine]

Couldn't the Rangers use a top-6 RW though? Zadina isn't an awful idea if they like the player

If we add a top 6 RW, which of Panarin, Kreider, Kakko or Lafreniere are playing on the 3rd line? Are we giving that new player PP1 time as well and relegating both Kakko and Laf to PP2?

We need to add a middle 6 RW, not a top 6. Someone who can play an effective game on the 3rd line, who isn't going to cost a lot or require a lot of term, and who can also play up in the lineup if necessary.

That's why I suggested Wheeler a while back. He would be relatively cheap in terms of cap hit and term. Given his age, we can take advantage of performance bonuses on a 1 year deal. He's a big body who will do well on a 3rd line, but he's also still productive enough to play higher up in the lineup if Kakko or Laf don't aren't producing.

I doubt he would be a locker room problem, despite his reputation, but if he did become a problem, it's easy enough to get rid of him if it's just a 1 year deal.

People can't have it both ways. They can't advocate adding a top 6 player and then complain that the kids aren't getting opportunities. It's in the best interest of this organization to get both Kakko and Laf to become impact players. To do that, there has to be a path for them to get more significant playing time.

 

[duhmetreE]

not to be consfused with his older brother, Giga Chad

 

[NYR Viper]

If we add a top 6 RW, which of Panarin, Kreider, Kakko or Lafreniere are playing on the 3rd line? Are we giving that new player PP1 time as well and relegating both Kakko and Laf to PP2?

We need to add a middle 6 RW, not a top 6. Someone who can play an effective game on the 3rd line, who isn't going to cost a lot or require a lot of term, and who can also play up in the lineup if necessary.

That's why I suggested Wheeler a while back. He would be relatively cheap in terms of cap hit and term. Given his age, we can take advantage of performance bonuses on a 1 year deal. He's a big body who will do well on a 3rd line, but he's also still productive enough to play higher up in the lineup if Kakko or Laf don't aren't producing.

I doubt he would be a locker room problem, despite his reputation, but if he did become a problem, it's easy enough to get rid of him if it's just a 1 year deal.

People can't have it both ways. They can't advocate adding a top 6 player and then complain that the kids aren't getting opportunities. It's in the best interest of this organization to get both Kakko and Laf to become impact players. To do that, there has to be a path for them to get more significant playing time.

I don’t disagree, but if they add a player like Zadina who is a RW who can play in a scoring role that’s not a problem. His cap hit is manageable.

For me, all three top lines should see even distribution of minutes at even strength.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Chytil-_______
Kreider-Trochek-_______

Fill the those RW slots as they can. Maybe one of those is Vesey. Maybe Zadina. Maybe it’s Craig Smith. Maybe it’s someone else.

In terms of PP time, if Panarin is still here…

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kreider
________-Fox

Someone needs to grab that top spot. And then PP2 needs to get real minutes with a real set agenda.

 

[IDvsEGO]

If we add a top 6 RW, which of Panarin, Kreider, Kakko or Lafreniere are playing on the 3rd line? Are we giving that new player PP1 time as well and relegating both Kakko and Laf to PP2?

We need to add a middle 6 RW, not a top 6. Someone who can play an effective game on the 3rd line, who isn't going to cost a lot or require a lot of term, and who can also play up in the lineup if necessary.

That's why I suggested Wheeler a while back. He would be relatively cheap in terms of cap hit and term. Given his age, we can take advantage of performance bonuses on a 1 year deal. He's a big body who will do well on a 3rd line, but he's also still productive enough to play higher up in the lineup if Kakko or Laf don't aren't producing.

I doubt he would be a locker room problem, despite his reputation, but if he did become a problem, it's easy enough to get rid of him if it's just a 1 year deal.

People can't have it both ways. They can't advocate adding a top 6 player and then complain that the kids aren't getting opportunities. It's in the best interest of this organization to get both Kakko and Laf to become impact players. To do that, there has to be a path for them to get more significant playing time.

The answer is Kreider. It’s not a hard question. Kreider without his pp numbers didn’t really produce well last year, and his pp numbers weren’t even that great.

You add Zadina move Kreider to left wing on the third line.
Zadina should be a pure goal scorer, put him on panarins wing, tell him to do dirty work and score goals, and he should be able to do that. And he’s signed for the next 2 years

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If we add a top 6 RW, which of Panarin, Kreider, Kakko or Lafreniere are playing on the 3rd line? Are we giving that new player PP1 time as well and relegating both Kakko and Laf to PP2?

We need to add a middle 6 RW, not a top 6. Someone who can play an effective game on the 3rd line, who isn't going to cost a lot or require a lot of term, and who can also play up in the lineup if necessary.

That's why I suggested Wheeler a while back. He would be relatively cheap in terms of cap hit and term. Given his age, we can take advantage of performance bonuses on a 1 year deal. He's a big body who will do well on a 3rd line, but he's also still productive enough to play higher up in the lineup if Kakko or Laf don't aren't producing.

I doubt he would be a locker room problem, despite his reputation, but if he did become a problem, it's easy enough to get rid of him if it's just a 1 year deal.

People can't have it both ways. They can't advocate adding a top 6 player and then complain that the kids aren't getting opportunities. It's in the best interest of this organization to get both Kakko and Laf to become impact players. To do that, there has to be a path for them to get more significant playing time.

The problem is unless Kreider or Laf move to RW they do have a hole there. If one moves then they have the top 6 set (kids getting opportunities).

 

[RangerBoy]

I think a lot of these pending UFA players are going to go for draft picks without extensions agreed to. The free agent class of 24 has potential to be stacked with the cap rising.

These teams want many assets in return for some of their players and which teams are forking over numerous assets for one year of player they can't afford to re-sign?

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

The answer is Kreider. It’s not a hard question. Kreider without his pp numbers didn’t really produce well last year, and his pp numbers weren’t even that great.

You add Zadina move Kreider to left wing on the third line.
Zadina should be a pure goal scorer, put him on panarins wing, tell him to do dirty work and score goals, and he should be able to do that. And he’s signed for the next 2 years

Zadina? Come on.

 

[McRanger92]

These teams want many assets in return for some of their players and which teams are forking over numerous assets for one year of player they can't afford to re-sign?

Teams that want to win. And I dont think its necessarily that teams can't re-sign the players they trade for, but the picture will be much clearer as we start to know exactly how much the cap is going up next year. Draft picks and prospects are generally overrated around these parts. If you want to win you can't be afraid to trade picks

 

[IDvsEGO]

Zadina? Come on.

He’s a rw. He’s got a decent amount of speed, he’s not small, he needs to add some defense to his game, and needs a change of scenery.
He looked really good in the WJC with Chytil.
If he added some defense to his game, he’s a much better version of vatrano.

 

[GAGLine]

He’s a rw. He’s got a decent amount of speed, he’s not small, he needs to add some defense to his game, and needs a change of scenery.
He looked really good in the WJC with Chytil.
If he added some defense to his game, he’s a much better version of vatrano.

I think we already have enough young guys that we need to help get to the next level. We don't need to add another one.

 

[Trxjw]

Not that I dislike the idea of Zadina as a change of scenery candidate but are we in a position to be giving him that change of scenery when we don't even have the right spots for our own kids? Feels like he'd just be another guy not getting the minutes he needs to take a step forward.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Zadina? Come on.

We have a gap on the right side. We need goal scorer. We have cap issues. He’s signed cheap for 2 years, and looked good with Chytil previously.

It’s a high risk/reward thing, and we could probably get him cheap.