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Speculation: Roster Building Thread VI (2019/2020)

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NYR Viper said:
DQ could literally interchange Andersson and Howden today and it would have little effect. I’ve said it before, this team is more likely to have a 3A and 3B than it is to have a 3 and 4. Who cares in what order one of the beat writers wrote it on a tweet?
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Fitzy said:
The reason why Howden is getting disproportionate crap is because of the stats folks, who are a minority but post with high frequency and epistemological confidence.

The posters who view metrics and observational analysis holistically are more than happy to support the guy. He's a promising young center.
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The Rangers have a smart fan base IMO yet the knee jerk to bash a Howden, write off a Lias A while prematurely praising others is perplexing.
 
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The Rangers invested a lot into Lias Andersson. The last thing in the world that I’m worried about is him playing really well and not getting enough minutes. The Rangers are begging these kids to earn more minutes. They haven’t played one regular season game yet. Lias wasn’t exactly a world beater last year. It’s very possible that they want him to earn more time and not just toss him into the deep end of the pool.
 
Fitzy said:
The reason why Howden is getting disproportionate crap is because of the stats folks, who are a minority but post with high frequency and epistemological confidence.

The posters who view metrics and observational analysis holistically are more than happy to support the guy. He's a promising young center.
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Promising young center - yes, but Chytil is it even more so and it didn’t stop Gorton from sending him to Hartford (which pretty much everyone agrees to be the right move).

I’m not a stats first guy but I would not have hesitated to send Howden down to Hartford based on what I saw in preseason (Gorton and Quinn obviously have far more access to information that led them to a conclusion to keep him with the varsity team).

I’m fine with the way cuts and the starting roster shook out, but IMHO Howden only got an advance on a “promise” to show a better performance early on during regular season, if not he’ll be in Hartford in a short order as well.
 
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NYR Viper said:
DQ could literally interchange Andersson and Howden today and it would have little effect. I’ve said it before, this team is more likely to have a 3A and 3B than it is to have a 3 and 4. Who cares in what order one of the beat writers wrote it on a tweet?
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The fascination by some with line combos is mind boggling here. Like the people who go insane if Panarin is not on Zibanejad's line and interpret that as putting our new 11 million dollar acquisition on the "second line."

Ice time folks. Forget the combos and how the coach is writing the names on the board. It's all about ice time.
 
kovazub94 said:
Promising young center - yes, but Chytil is it even more so and it didn’t stop Gorton from sending him to Hartford (which pretty much everyone agrees to be the right move).

I’m not a stats first guy but I would not have hesitated to send Howden down to Hartford based on what I saw in preseason (Gorton and Quinn obviously have far more access to information that led them to a conclusion to keep him with the varsity team).

I’m fine with the way cuts and the starting roster shook out, but IMHO Howden only got an advance on a “promise” to show a better performance early on during regular season, if not he’ll be in Hartford in a short order as well.
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It's worth reiterating, again, that simple performance isn't the main deciding factor between keeping a guy up and sending him down at this point in time. And overall potential isn't either.

Theoretically, here's what I mean. One of the marks of a pro is consistency in approach. That means that when you compare one shift to the next for an individual, more often than not the player did the same types of things. I'm not necessarily talking about quality of performance here. The AHL is a great place to learn to work on that kind of consistency. If a player already has it, then that's one fewer thing he has to learn from AHL time. If a player has this, but the quality maybe isn't where it needs to be, a coach might conclude that he can teach those performance aspects at the NHL level and trust that the consistency in approach will still be there. On the flip side, if a player does NOT have that consistency, a coach might conclude more strongly that the player needs AHL time to learn it.

And this is where I think the big difference between Chytil and Howden lies right now. It's not that Howden performed better. It's that he's already working from a more professional base that Quinn can try to build on at the NHL level. You can really see the shift-to-shift consistency issues Chytil still has.

There does come a point where the priority in this kind of decision needs to be placed on quality of performance, but right now is not that point.
 
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NYR said:
While I always appreciate your insight Edge, I just don't see how you can justify some of these moves.
If we're going by merit, LA is your 3rd line C.
Can Howden carry over his lackluster play?
It just doesn't make no sense..
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I think the coach is almost always going to slot in the player he's seen more of at the start of the season, especially when he has concerns about both.

Now, if we're in November and Andersson is outplaying Howden by a wide-margin, then I think we have a legit beef.

I just don't think we're there yet.

And for the record, I don't think Howden had a bad preseason. Let's not overlook a game where he was the Rangers entire scoreboard.
 
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First off, it's not worth getting worked up over line combinations. They're fluid throughout any season. Second, who's to say there's a difference between the 3rd/4th lines? One could easily see more ice time than the other any given game. I personally don't see a discernable difference in talent one way or the other with those lines. If anything you could argue Lias' line has the most talent.

I like the direction management and coaching are taking. Everything will take shape over time with the younger players. The kids that went to the AHL need the experience in that environment for right now. There will be plenty of opportunity to make their way back up.
 
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Machinehead said:
Brassard had underlying numbers around 2012 and 2013 which predicted more success. Strome has, uh, this...

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When I suggested kicking the tires on Brassard this summer, people acted like I suggested killing a puppy but Strome is just as bad.
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I think it had more to do with how negative and abrasive you were about it.
 
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For anyone whose played HS/college sports, it’s pretty obvious what they are doing.

They setup the bottom 6 ranked by seniority. Howden made the team out of camp last season while andersson was down and up.
Names/fast are veterans. Pepe/mckegg come ups.

It’s a classy way of doing things. The players will certainly recognize it.

But don’t take anything from it. That’s just how they decided to come out of the gates. It’s right by the players.
 
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NernieBichols said:
For anyone whose played HS/college sports, it’s pretty obvious what they are doing.

They setup the bottom 6 ranked by seniority. Howden played in the league last year, andersson didn’t.
Names/fast are veterans. Pepe/mckegg come ups.

It’s a classy way of doing things. The players will certainly recognize it.

But don’t take anything from it. That’s just how they decided to come out of the gates. It’s right by the players.
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Andersson didn't play in the league last year? Then who was that using his name for half the season last year?
 
NernieBichols said:
For anyone whose played HS/college sports, it’s pretty obvious what they are doing.

They setup the bottom 6 ranked by seniority. Howden played in the league last year, andersson didn’t.
Names/fast are veterans. Pepe/mckegg come ups.

It’s a classy way of doing things. The players will certainly recognize it.

But don’t take anything from it. That’s just how they decided to come out of the gates. It’s right by the players.
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I can assure you that he did.
 
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zephyr said:
Andersson didn't play in the league last year? Then who was that using his name for half the season last year?
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You know what I’m saying.


Howden made the team out of camp and stayed with the club the full year. Andersson was down and up. Happy?
 
Tawnos said:
We have 8 forwards in Hartford with some amount of NHL experience. 5 of them are capable of playing center.
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Yes, I will acknowledge that we have a bunch of AHL players that could conceivably be playing in the NHL. That was kind of the point.
 
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