Speculation: Roster Building Thread VI (2019/2020)

[n8]

I would seriously put in a claim for Christian Djoos. Think he's very underrated....

surprised Sven Baertshi and Nic Goldolbin got waived. Wow. I guess Ferland and Miller displaced them. One of them has to be better than Loui Eriksson but he probably has like a NMC to prevent that.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Personally, I don't see the hate either.

Has been amazing? No.

But he hasn't been awful either. Certainly not more so than some of the other names that have popped up.

Andersson has been the most consistently impressive young center thus far. But Howden had a solid two-point game and had his moments.

I have to say this. Unless we are blind, we all saw the preseason that Lias just had. And again, unless we are blind, we all saw the preseason that Howden just had. So, with that being said, how any rational human being can come away with Howden being placed ahead of Lias right now leads me to believe a couple of things. 1) Quinn has inherent bias against Lias. Or 2) that Quinn has an inherent bias for Howden. I believe number two is more likely but still. How can Quinn preach “play the right way” and not see that this decision in particular is hypocritical, and furthermore, that is holding different players to different standards.

 

[eco's bones]

Good for him. He was too good for Hartford/AHL, TBH....

Looking at the list I wouldn't claim anyone.

Djoos would come in at Hajek, Lindgren or Rykov's expense. He's another LD and all three of our guys could easily turn out to be better players and I'm not at all for having every single one of them in the AHL this year--we also have Miller and Robertson and Zachary Jones among other LD's coming and we need to sort through them by seeing at least what some of them can do at the NHL level. For the next 3-4 years we should have at least one rookie LD make the club every year. Got to put these kids in situations and see if they can succeed. Move on from Staal and/or Smith next and bring in another one--maybe Miller.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I consider myself to be patient and to generally give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt regarding their roster deployment.

But what in the actual **** is Howden doing ahead of Lias? Even if those two lines are ordered wrong in the tweet, that means that McKegg is ahead of Names. Also stupid.

It's Vesey vs Buchnevich all over again

 

[Trxjw]

Not too surprised to hear there hasn't been any communication with Kreider's camp. I have a really hard time seeing this team investing $7m per year in guy who will play behind Panarin on the left side with Kravtsov and Kakko coming up on his heels.

 

[Joey Bones]

Looking at the list I wouldn't claim anyone.

Djoos would come in at Hajek, Lindgren or Rykov's expense. He's another LD and all three of our guys could easily turn out to be better players and I'm not at all for having every single one of them in the AHL this year--we also have Miller and Robertson and Zachary Jones among other LD's coming and we need to sort through them by seeing at least what some of them can do at the NHL level. For the next 3-4 years we should have at least one rookie LD make the club every year. Got to put these kids in situations and see if they can succeed. Move on from Staal and/or Smith next and bring in another one--maybe Miller.

Easy trade piece at the deadline that only costs a waiver claim. Is an RFA at season's end if it doesn't pan out.

I'm not worried. That's a very nice pickup....

Edit: I'm talking about Djoos, btw.

 

[Joey Bones]

I mean he's better than Staal/Smith, but would he get much time here with Skjei, Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov...?

Easy trade piece at the deadline, played the last two seasons with Washington and is only 25. He also is a stud in the AHL. Only costs a waiver claim. I view it as a big positive for NYR.

 

[bl02]

Continue.

I more excited for the 4th line than our third line. Not hating on Howden but right now Lias should be getting more ice time. I'm sure when all is said and done they probably will have the same TOI.

 

[Waivers]

Kreider, the player in which we have been waiting countlessly on a break out season. He is what he is. There should be no long term commitments or high cap hits for average players.

 

[NYR]

I consider myself to be patient and to generally give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt regarding their roster deployment.

But what in the actual **** is Howden doing ahead of Lias? Even if those two lines are ordered wrong in the tweet, that means that McKegg is ahead of Names. Also stupid.

This, all day long..

 

[Edge]

Many notable NHL centers have started their careers on the wing and grown into the center position. The most notable is Mark Messier. Chytil is just 20 years old last I checked (just 20 this month)

Another was Nathan McKinnon spent a lot of his first three years on the wing and didn't have his true breakout season until his D+5 year.

Everyone here wants instant gratification.

Personally, I’d be perfectly content to have him start on the wings.

 

[nyr2k2]

Kreider, the player in which we have been waiting countlessly on a break out season. He is what he is. There should be no long term commitments or high cap hits for average players.

I understand your general points here, but Kreider is far from an average player.

 

[Edge]

I have to say this. Unless we are blind, we all saw the preseason that Lias just had. And again, unless we are blind, we all saw the preseason that Howden just had. So, with that being said, how any rational human being can come away with Howden being placed ahead of Lias right now leads me to believe a couple of things. 1) Quinn has inherent bias against Lias. Or 2) that Quinn has an inherent bias for Howden. I believe number two is more likely but still. How can Quinn preach “play the right way” and not see that this decision in particular is hypocritical, and furthermore, that is holding different players to different standards.

I think we’re placing too much emphasis on who is playing with who at this point - mainly because we haven’t even played a single regular season game yet. Andersson has a very good camp, and now we see if that can carry over into real game.

I don’t think it’s a matter of not following up with play the right way, so much as now the games count and he’s not necessarily going to throw Andersson to the wolves.

I don’t think there’s a deeper motive at this point other than having one player he is more familiar with, and another who just made his first NHL opening night.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

No surprises with the roster moves today. Too many people are focused on 3rd vs 4th line positions. Means nothing. These things are not set in stone. Calm down. Those lines will probably get about same ice time anyway.

 

[Waivers]

I understand your general points here, but Kreider is far from an average player.

Understood, but I will retort by saying average players are streaky players, the ones that lack game to game consistency. You can say that about a lot of players in the NHL, but given the financial situation the Rangers are in and how they have a 7.5MD cap hit of dead space next year, accompanied by resigning the important pieces, trades, or anything available in UFA in 2-3 years, I would rather not be hindered by those opportunities due to Kreider’s next contract.

 

[Alluckks]

Sprong would be a nice reclamation project move

 

[Irishguy42]

All goal scorers are streaky. End of story.

 

[nyr2k2]

Understood, but I will retort by saying average players are streaky players, the ones that lack game to game consistency. You can say that about a lot of players in the NHL, but given the financial situation the Rangers are in and how they have a 7.5MD cap hit of dead space next year, accompanied by resigning the important pieces, trades, or anything available in UFA in 2-3 years, I would rather not be hindered by those opportunities due to Kreider’s next contract.

I'm fully with you on not re-signing Kreider. I just think it's objectively wrong to call him an average player, streaky or not.

 

[kovazub94]

Very happy (and somewhat surprised) with very muted reaction to the final round of cuts.

Expect Andersson vs Howden situation to be pretty fluid throughout the season.

Going on a limb: Strome will surprise (if not become a revelation) at 2C, especially if Panarin and Kreider are switched. Let’s be patient and wait at least until Christmas to call it.

 

[kovazub94]

I have to tell you, I'm once again struggling to see Chytil as a center in this league.

I agree it's nice if it works out. But this is going on two-and-a-half years now where I feel like it's not a natural fit.

And I continue to attribute this “not seeing “ to his young age and just not being ready, because I similarly don’t see him much better on a wing. In both instances we are trying to project attributes, skills and glimpses of what we see now into regular form when he matures. And because in both cases it still only glimpses (a little bit more or a little bit less to an eye of a beholder) I trust FO that continued to stay with their belief that long term Chytil is a center. Personally, I see the same.

 

[haohmaru]

Going on a limb: Strome will surprise (if not become a revelation) at 2C, especially if Panarin and Kreider are switched. Let’s be patient and wait at least until Christmas to call it.

People forget Strome had 50 points his second year in the league. Not surprised he's @ 2C given his resurgence last year.

Lias at 4C though, if those practice lines stick, is a complete waste. That being said, I don't think either Howden or Andersson are either the "classic" 4C guy - face-offs, defense, grit, etc...

We'll see how it shakes out.

 

[Irishguy42]

People forget Strome had 50 points his second year in the league.

5 seasons ago...

Not surprised he's @ 2C given his resurgence last year.

Ah yes, a resurgance of...*checks notes*...1 point more than his previous season's total with a 8.5 SH% increase from the previous year and 8.4 above his pre-18/19 season career average, and 6.9% (nice) better than his highest single season SH%.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...something isn't right here...

 

[haohmaru]

5 seasons ago...

And? Simply pointing out that he's capable.

Ah yes, a resurgance of...*checks notes*...1 point more than his previous season's total with a 8.5 SH% increase from the previous year and 8.4 above his pre-18/19 season career average, and 6.9% (nice) better than his highest single season SH%.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...something isn't right here...

Yeah, check the notes (*) where *33 of those points were playing for the Rangers in 61 games while trying to find his role on a new team.

I don't really care about the 2 points in 18 games for another team, since, you know, I'm talking about Strome as a Ranger.

Not saying he's an excellent choice at 2C, but he's got an opportunity that's deserved. Let's see what he does with that. Might lead to a few more Hmmmmmmmmm's from you considering he should be playing with a couple of really good wings.

 

[NYR]

I think we’re placing too much emphasis on who is playing with who at this point - mainly because we haven’t even played a single regular season game yet. Andersson has a very good camp, and now we see if that can carry over into real game.

I don’t think it’s a matter of not following up with play the right way, so much as now the games count and he’s not necessarily going to throw Andersson to the wolves.

I don’t think there’s a deeper motive at this point other than having one player he is more familiar with, and another who just made his first NHL opening night.

While I always appreciate your insight Edge, I just don't see how you can justify some of these moves.
If we're going by merit, LA is your 3rd line C.
Can Howden carry over his lackluster play?
It just doesn't make no sense..

 

[Machinehead]

Understood, but I will retort by saying average players are streaky players, the ones that lack game to game consistency. You can say that about a lot of players in the NHL, but given the financial situation the Rangers are in and how they have a 7.5MD cap hit of dead space next year, accompanied by resigning the important pieces, trades, or anything available in UFA in 2-3 years, I would rather not be hindered by those opportunities due to Kreider’s next contract.

Elite players are streaky players. Scoring comes in bunches.

His offense is what it is, but Kreider's ability to impact the game is very consistent.