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Speculation: Roster Building Thread VI (2019/2020)

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Is Ryan Strome when he was traded for that dissimilar to Derrick Brassard when he came over from Columbus? Both were floundering with past success. Similar size and high draft picks. Hopefully the team can maximize Strome’s value as well. 45 points is not out of the realm of possibility
 
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NYR Viper said:
Is Ryan Strome when he was traded for that dissimilar to Derrick Brassard when he came over from Columbus? Both were floundering with past success. Similar size and high draft picks. Hopefully the team can maximize Strome’s value as well. 45 points is not out of the realm of possibility
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Brassard had underlying numbers around 2012 and 2013 which predicted more success. Strome has, uh, this...

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When I suggested kicking the tires on Brassard this summer, people acted like I suggested killing a puppy but Strome is just as bad.
 
PuckLuck3043 said:
No surprises with the roster moves today. Too many people are focused on 3rd vs 4th line positions. Means nothing. These things are not set in stone. Calm down. Those lines will probably get about same ice time anyway.
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How can you say it means nothing?

It means everything to the success of this hockey team... An original six hockey team.

People seem to forget the fact that even though there are a quite a few young players, that this is not a developmental league.

This is for the finished product..

NYR.. ORIGINAL 6 HOCKEY TEAM 2019
 
NYR said:
How can you say it means nothing?

It means everything to the success of this hockey team... An original six hockey team.

People seem to forget the fact that even though there are a quite a few young players, that this is not a developmental league.

This is for the finished product..

NYR.. ORIGINAL 6 HOCKEY TEAM 2019
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So what. It means nothing right now because they can easily be switched during the season. I bet both lines see similar ice time too. It's really not a big deal. If Lias was sent to Hartford and Howden was the 3c then I could see people being upset but that is not the case. Take a chill pill.
 
Machinehead said:
Brassard had underlying numbers around 2012 and 2013 which predicted more success. Strome has, uh, this...

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When I suggested kicking the tires on Brassard this summer, people acted like I suggested killing a puppy but Strome is just as bad.
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Strome is what we had to take for moving Spooner's contract. Brassard would have been an unforced error.
 
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The projected line ups shouldn’t bother anyone. They can change on a day to day basis. So what if they start Lias on 4C and Strome at 2C. The way they play when the points count will dictate where they are in the line up. I’m just happy with whom we decided to keep with the big club. IN EXCEPTION to the Hajek Lindgren thing. I did think Lindgren out played Hajek
 
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People here need to stop crapping on Howden. Let him play. It's year two. He's going to be getting a lot of checking assignments and I think he'll be fine at it.

Would love for them to claim either Sprong or Ho-Sang. I doubt the later just because the Rangers don't really do those larger than life personalities (other than Messier). Zero chance they claim Djoos with the 6948308 other DMen in the system.

Surprised Smith wasn't waived on paper for cap purposes and just told to stay in NY during this break.

For the poster who said DQ will run three lines, he spoke at length last season about a 4th line identity so he's going to try and have one.

Really curious if Kreider steps it up and is more consistent. I think he is what he is at this point and come March he's in an Avs/Preds/Flames/whichever team ponies up the best assets.
 
Skjeikspeare said:
People here need to stop crapping on Howden. Let him play. It's year two. He's going to be getting a lot of checking assignments and I think he'll be fine at it.

Would love for them to claim either Sprong or Ho-Sang. I doubt the later just because the Rangers don't really do those larger than life personalities (other than Messier). Zero chance they claim Djoos with the 6948308 other DMen in the system.

Surprised Smith wasn't waived on paper for cap purposes and just told to stay in NY during this break.

For the poster who said DQ will run three lines, he spoke at length last season about a 4th line identity so he's going to try and have one.

Really curious if Kreider steps it up and is more consistent. I think he is what he is at this point and come March he's in an Avs/Preds/Flames/whichever team ponies up the best assets.
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I don't understand what he did wrong during preseason. He's a total crash test dummy but he plays with energy and has skill. It's not like Lias is centering a goon squad. They're all bottom-6 players playing with other bottom-6 players.
 
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PuckLuck3043 said:
So what. It means nothing right now because they can easily be switched during the season. I bet both lines see similar ice time too. It's really not a big deal. If Lias was sent to Hartford and Howden was the 3c then I could see people being upset but that is not the case. Take a chill pill.
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Bro.. Howden is the 3rd line C right now.
Why would/ should anything be switched at this point?
Training camp and preseason is history!

Finished line up is the only thing that matters at this point.

Season starts for real on Thursday...
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IMO Andersson deserves to play ahead of Howden based on the preseason...however howden does not deserve to play behind andersson. if that makes any sense lol.
 
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ZiGOODejad said:
The projected line ups shouldn’t bother anyone. They can change on a day to day basis. So what if they start Lias on 4C and Strome at 2C. The way they play when the points count will dictate where they are in the line up. I’m just happy with whom we decided to keep with the big club. IN EXCEPTION to the Hajek Lindgren thing. I did think Lindgren out played Hajek
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Lindgren is grittier but Hajek is the better skater and puck mover. Hajek is more of a modern NHL DMan while Lindgren is a throwback to even as recent as 2005-15 basically before the Penguins changed the game with mostly quick DMen.

It's going to be interesting to monitor both the immediate and longterm careers of both. Both might play together on a D Corps this season, but I doubt both become Rangers for the next decade together. Hajek takes a beating out there (Spike Dudley style for any of you who remember the WWE wrestler) and I worry about his longevity despite being thick. Some guys are just fluid skaters and avoid heavy contact. Hajek is the opposite. Lindgren might be one of those guys who either doesn't make it longterm because his skillset is very much in the brides maids category (think Corey Potter and Ivan Baranka, both who were fine but never stuck around long) or be traded 3-4 times as D depth and end up winning a Cup as a 6/7.

Not saying this WILL happen just random thoughts and analysis.
 
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The reason why Howden is getting disproportionate crap is because of the stats folks, who are a minority but post with high frequency and epistemological confidence.

The posters who view metrics and observational analysis holistically are more than happy to support the guy. He's a promising young center.
 
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Fitzy said:
The reason why Howden is getting disproportionate crap is because of the stats folks, who are a minority but post with high frequency and epistemological confidence.

The posters who view metrics and observational analysis holistically are more than happy to support the guy. He's a promising young center.
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Eh

Howden was bad for a lot of last year and not just by the numbers (though those also included the boxcar numbers) but also the eyetest. He frequently looked lost and was bad defensively. Just because a guy looks like he's trying doesn't mean he's actual doing good stuff out there.

Despite that he got a long leash from the coaches fora while...it's hard not to think that they value the appearance of effort more than results when you see that out there.

I hope Howden does well. I'm not convinced he's ready to be an effective 3C yet and I'm baffled why the AHL isn't also a consideration for him considering how much he struggled last year.

That said, he had moments of good play. Maybe those are clouding the overall vision of him, or maybe they're worth trying to tease out more of.
 
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Leetch3 said:
IMO Andersson deserves to play ahead of Howden based on the preseason...however howden does not deserve to play behind andersson. if that makes any sense lol.
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Umm no.. It doesn't make any sense lol
 
Here's the deal on Howden/LA
Howden fizzled out last year simply because he wasn't ready to handle a full 82 game NHL schedule but his skill level also limits him IMO.
This year.. And while LA was in the same position, has upped his play in all 3 zones.
Who knows what next year will bring but as of this point in time, LA is the superior player, #3C.
Plain & simple
 
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NYR said:
Bro.. Howden is the 3rd line C right now.
Why would/ should anything be switched at this point?
Training camp and preseason is history!

Finished line up is the only thing that matters at this point.

Season starts for real on Thursday...
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So you're saying that the lineup the way it is right now isn't going to change at all this season. There is no chance of players being moved up or down depending on the quality of their play? Coaches move players around from line to line all the time. Please.
 
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NYR said:
Here's the deal on Howden/LA
Howden fizzled out last year simply because he wasn't ready to handle a full 82 game NHL schedule but his skill level also limits him IMO.
This year.. And while LA was in the same position, has upped his play in all 3 zones.
Who knows what next year will bring but as of this point in time, LA is the superior player, #3C.
Plain & simple
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I agree with you that Lias was the better player during the preseason. Who knows? He may be centering the 3rd line in a few weeks. We shall see.
 
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If Strome were to center Kakko and Kreider all year long then he would put up 50+ points
 
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