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Speculation: Roster Building Thread VI (2019/2020)

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Kovalev27 said:
I really don’t get this but it seems like they have their heart set on walking away from CK. Maybe they just don’t want to spend the money on a winger when they have a kakko a Kravtsov and Panarin to pay big money too. I get that but I think he brings a ton to the table.

We’re going to sell off another 4 or 5 guys again this year. Eeeesh
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I think you nailed the long and short of it. Why pay a 30 year old Kreider until the middle of next decade when you've got Panarin (better), Kakko, Kravtsov, and maybe Chytil or Andersson as future top 6 wingers (all younger)?

Kreider's money went to Panarin. It's subbing out one middle aged vet for another, except we got much better and a little younger in the exchange, and we will also come out ahead an extra first round pick (though down about $4m in cap space).
 
Edge said:
I have to tell you, I'm once again struggling to see Chytil as a center in this league.

I agree it's nice if it works out. But this is going on two-and-a-half years now where I feel like it's not a natural fit.
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In which case he's a Power Forward-ish winger and joins the ranks of Panarin, Kakko, and Kravtsov in basically completing our top 6 winger depth long term, most likely.

But does mean we desperately need a stud 1C type.
 
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Edge said:
Unfortunately, in a world where he's likely going to command 7x7 until his age 35 season, that's not necessarily the best idea either.

I don't think the issue is whether this team should have veterans. I think the question which veterans should this team have, and more specifically, at what cost and term.

If Kreider was signed for another 3 years at his currently salary, or even a bit more, I don't think we move him this season. But that's not the case, and so here we are.
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Kreider's money went to Panarin. That was pretty clear from the moment we signed him. If we hadn't signed Panarin, Kreider would be the long term veteran, and we would have signed some cheaper free agent to fill a 2/3 role, while Kreider would have assumed the top line wing spot.

Instead we got a younger, much better top line wing. Kreider will be the one replaced with the cheaper vet, unless the kids show they can assume the roles. There will be short term, low AAV money to give out to vets, though, I'm not worried about that. Just not 7x7 contracts to 30 year olds who aren't all stars.
 
Many notable NHL centers have started their careers on the wing and grown into the center position. The most notable is Mark Messier. Chytil is just 20 years old last I checked (just 20 this month)

Another was Nathan McKinnon spent a lot of his first three years on the wing and didn't have his true breakout season until his D+5 year.

Everyone here wants instant gratification.
 
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Rangers743 said:
Anthony Mantha and Shea Theodore were taken within 7 picks after Rychel in 2013
Adrian Kempe was taken the pick after Ho-Sang in 2014
Sebastian Aho and Travis Dermott were taken within 6 picks after Beauvillier in 2015
2016 is still early to say anything definitive.
Theres still a lot of good players in the late first/ early second.
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it’s a crapshoot and there’s more misses than hits when you start picking that late
 
As long as we're looking ahead and this continues to be a 'roster building thread' it's worth noting that LW after Panarin looks pretty bare next season if we assume the departure of Kreider and Namestnikov.

If one of Kravtsov and Kakko doesn't learn to play the left we're looking a bit uneven in that category. Beyond Morgan Barron we don't really have any interesting wing prospects not yet in the pros.
 
ZiGOODejad said:
So it wasn’t just me who thought that was super noticeable
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Nah, they laid it on really thick. I remember Joe alluding to McD being a ""good candidate"" in one of the preseason games before he was named captain in pretty much the same exact manner as he did for Zib right after the showing of his promo video or whatever you want to call it
 
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I'm stoked for LA but how is Howden is ahead of him on the 3rd?
That doesn't make much sense to me at all.

Also..I'm hoping for Hajek and ADA to become a thing.

My starting D..

Skjei-Trouba
Hajek-ADA
Staal-Fox
 
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Fitzy said:
As long as we're looking ahead and this continues to be a 'roster building thread' it's worth noting that LW after Panarin looks pretty bare next season if we assume the departure of Kreider and Namestnikov.

If one of Kravtsov and Kakko doesn't learn to play the left we're looking a bit uneven in that category. Beyond Morgan Barron we don't really have any interesting wing prospects not yet in the pros.
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I think Buchnevich is going to be the bait to fill in the LW vacancy. Too many RW in the system.

There are a couple of interesting hockey trade candidates out there. Kevin Fiala. Christian Dvorak. Mikael Granlund if extended. Andreas Johansson out of Toronto. Maybe Gorton can pull the trifecta of rip offs and can pry Nikolaj Ehlers out of Winnipeg if the Rangers add a bit. Lots of options.
 
I'm intrigued with anything that nets us a center at the end of the year or next year.

We have a TON of defensive prospects but not enough time to see them mature and play at their best so trading one is a risk. If we're a lottery team again, which I'm pretty sure we will be, I hope we can get one or two but they often take time to mature like defense. Trading Kreider could net us one, but it's gonna be a situation where the best offer wins regardless of what it is. The quicker we get one or two young center with 2C upside the better. It's going to be our glaring issue moving forward. An injury to Ziba and Strome is our #1C. Let that sink in.

Obviously hindsight but we picked both Andersson and Chytil before Poehling was selected, and he could very well have been that guy. I think Andersson will fit perfectly as the 3C (and who knows, he may make it up to #2...) and Howden can be that too, or stay at 4C. But we have no 2nd center, no one to step in. Everything else, on paper, looks great.

Much as I didn't wanna sign Hayes for 7 years, I think about how him re-signing with us and we move Kreider instead, much as I love him. Hayes is exactly what we need right now. I understand why we did it, but we still really just went into this with ONE center. Accelerated rebuild is fun, lots of guys coming up. One center.

I guess we'll see how we get one, but I'm positive that's the biggest goal right now.
 
In comfortable with everything they did today. It sounds like they want Chytil to play center and get better in Hartford. Kravtsov I mean I could have seen it either way with him making the team or not, I'm happy they used caution instead of forcing something he may not be ready for. I also feel Lindgren will get another shot at some point as he was a nice bit of grit to the back end. All in all things are basically playing out as they should. Excited to get the season started.
 
Fitzy said:
As long as we're looking ahead and this continues to be a 'roster building thread' it's worth noting that LW after Panarin looks pretty bare next season if we assume the departure of Kreider and Namestnikov.

If one of Kravtsov and Kakko doesn't learn to play the left we're looking a bit uneven in that category. Beyond Morgan Barron we don't really have any interesting wing prospects not yet in the pros.
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I think it's a decent bet Kravtsov is moved to LW, he played there is PS a lot. But yeah it's a good point, we are definitely weak on LW behind Panarin and Kreider.
 
Harbour Dog said:
I consider myself to be patient and to generally give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt regarding their roster deployment.

But what in the actual **** is Howden doing ahead of Lias? Even if those two lines are ordered wrong in the tweet, that means that McKegg is ahead of Names. Also stupid.
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Let’s at least wait to see a few games of TOI
 
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Harbour Dog said:
I consider myself to be patient and to generally give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt regarding their roster deployment.

But what in the actual **** is Howden doing ahead of Lias? Even if those two lines are ordered wrong in the tweet, that means that McKegg is ahead of Names. Also stupid.
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I bet Quinn plays a short bench. We won't be seeing four lines with this roster.
 
Stasis said:
Much as I didn't wanna sign Hayes for 7 years, I think about how him re-signing with us and we move Kreider instead, much as I love him. Hayes is exactly what we need right now. I understand why we did it, but we still really just went into this with ONE center. Accelerated rebuild is fun, lots of guys coming up. One center.

I guess we'll see how we get one, but I'm positive that's the biggest goal right now.
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That's just it....there was no talk of "accelerated rebuild" when the Hayes issue came up. I don't think anyone was giving thoughts to getting the #2 pick and Kakko...I can't recall thinking anyone here even thinking we'd even be close.

Personally, I think we could have had Hayes for less money and term if we'd signed him before arbitration reared its head...I could be wrong, but I think a lot of people would have been pleased if we'd settled on a $6M for 5 years deal.

The fact is that at the time, it was either him or Kreider...and everyone knew it was Hayes by default.
 
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