Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[duhmetreE]

Schneider at 925k vs Trouba 8M

I'd take my chances with Schneider all day.

 

[MrAlmost]

Nice to see people coming around on Garland after I mentioned him last offseason and into the start of the regular season and was brushed off. Seems a bit like stat watching now that he had almost 50 points though. He brings more than that and his all around game would be very useful on the RW.

Also, he has connections to this front office, specifically Drury who likes his game and picked him for his World Championship team. (Yes, I know a lot of players refuse to go. Doesn't change the fact that Drury added him and he played great)

 

[East Coast Bias]

The problem with trading the kids is that the return is so limited with what the roster and cap can allow. So there’s not really a blockbuster Matt Tkachuk type move to be made where you’re ok moving on from Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Schneider.

So now you’re in these Laf for a vet wing who yields the same stats, but is TOUGH but also makes $4-5m.

We’re not in the position to trade 2 wings who make nothing and score 40 points. And that’s looking at it entirely in a vacuum, before even getting into growth potential.

 

[McRanger92]

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kakko (3 years later and we've seen this for 2 shifts tops)
Panarin-Chytil-Garland
Kreider-Trocheck-Cuylle
Vesey-4C-Motte

Miller-Fox
Mikkola-Trouba
Jones-Schneider

Igor
Halak

 

[Savant]

Vancouver was rumored to be buying him out this summer...

If he is bought out, he's #1 in my book to go hard after as a UFA

I would be intrigued by Pacioretty and Brown as guys who were injured for most of this season and may be looking for an opportunity to both compete and get on a scoring line. The Rangers should have scoring depth...

Jones needs to play, the team needs to be better in transition.

I would still be quietly shopping Lindgren. I don't want to see him moved, but if the price is right on pieces coming back, I'd consider it.

With what cap room exactly?

The Hockey News take on what’s next for the New York Rangers:

https://thehockeynews.com/news/what-changes-could-be-in-store-for-the-new-york-rangers

There is no take here. They are just aggregating what other people already said

It’s time for a change. Lafreniere doesn’t deserve to demand to play LW. He had to work all summer getting used to the right side and his skating.

Yeah, that’ll show him. He’s playing LW because he is even worse at RW. I’m trying to trade him. There is nothing there

 

[haohmaru]

Honestly, I'm keeping Kakko and Lafreniere and mandating that Lafreniere do whatever off season program we lay out for him and tell him, hook or crook, you're playing RW next season for the entire season so best get prepared for that scenario.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Trocheck - Lafreniere
Othmann? - Chytil - Kane on the cheap
Motte/Cuylle ______ Vesey

Out with Goodrow

Lindgren Fox
KAM Trouba
Jones Schneider

Shesterkin
Garand

PP: Panarin / Kreider / Fox / Zibanejad / Kakko
PP2: Trouba / Kane / Chytil / Jones / Lafreniere

Kakko to the PK replacing Goodrow

That's you lineup, next coach. Show me something

Yeah, that’ll show him. He’s playing LW because he is even worse at RW. I’m trying to trade him. There is nothing there

No, that'll show US if there's "nothing there". If he plays top six minutes, 2nd PP time, and doesn't develop further than we did what we could and good luck elsewhere, buddy.

 

[zlev]

Not on planet earth

New pet project is memeing into existence a Schneider for Jack Quinn trade. Buffalo has enough offense and wants a RHD. Rangers need a RW with upside who's coming off a pretty good rookie season.

yeah id do this in a second. not sure Buffalo would. not if they have any sort of value placed on analytics.

 

[zlev]

trade schneider for a RW, then split up the pairings
one with fox, one with miller, one with trouba

lindgren-fox
find a RHD puck mover to play with miller
jones-trouba
find a LHD puck mover off the scrap heap as 7th D in case jones doesn't work out

we absolutely cannot go into next season with the same D corps. we will not win anything with them as they are now.

 

[jaywills1020]

Instead of Kane we should’ve went after Luke Schenn.

 

[Savant]

Instead of Kane we should’ve went after Luke Schenn.

Yeah that definitely would have helped the puck movement through the zone problem

 

[RangersFan1994]

That's an interesting thought. I know Buffalo might be looking for a RD maybe we could swing Schneider for Quinn or Peterka.

I rather keep Schneider although id move Miller for. Quinn Peterka. If they cant resign Mikkola, Rangers need to find another defensive dman a bigger Lindgren type wouldn’t be so bad.

Panarin for Reinhart

Laffy Zibs Reinhart
Kreider Chytil Kakko
Othmann Trocheck Engvall
Motte Blueger Vesey

It's not pretty or sexy but maybe players can play to their roles.

If we all pray together and fast, Laffy, Chytil and Kakko can take major steps.

Fixing the D-group will be the tough task. The make up is terrible. Individually they are decent-great pieces.... As a group, no bueno.

Why would the Panthers want a choker just for the name? They are not the Rangers lol

 

[Bob Richards]

Instead of Kane we should’ve went after Luke Schenn.

Trouba, Mikkola, Lindgren and Schenn would be a legendary core of d-men who can't move the puck haha.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Imo you start the season with Kakko in the top 6 rw, kreider moves to rw, Laf moves up add Laf to pp1, Kakko a staple on pk1 and leave it like that. Fill in the bottom six with Cullye and Berard. The main thing this team should have been doing was getting the kids going, we arent going anywhere without them.

No way Berard makes the NHL before Othmann. Othmann is closer to NHL ready. Berard didnt do much lately in the AHL. Othmann having a great playoffs.

 

[RangersFan1994]

NHL Network on the Rangers:

NHL Network is spot on

 

[duhmetreE]

Why would the Panthers want a choker just for the name? They are not the Rangers lol

Because he'd be playing with 2 studs in Bennett and Tkachuk. They'd get the most out of him.

Bennett and Tkachuk own the puck and the boards. It'd be the best situation for Panarin.

 

[CLW]

Because he'd be playing with 2 studs in Bennett and Tkachuk. They'd get the most out of him.

Bennett and Tkachuk own the puck and the boards. It'd be the best situation for Panarin.

Zito knows everything about Panarin, it's just that contract tho. Doubt the Panthers want any part of that after the long slow torment of Bob's contract.

 

[80s Kid]

What if it was possible to trade Panarin for Erik Karlsson?

I don't try and play GM too much but the thought entered my brain when I couldn't sleep last night. Obviously the NTC stuff is a roadblock but curious how people would feel about trying to make that happen. Two bad contracts for players who are different types of veterans who can score during the regular season.

Panarin makes less than $200k more per year than Karlsson and is signed through 2025-26

Karlsson is signed through 2026-27 @ $11.5/Year

Feel free to rip this apart but I want no part of Panarin unless there's a "Panarin Whisperer" coach available (probably not).

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd happily trade Schneider for a good return. It's not even that I'm low on him, we just desperately need a different kind of player in that spot. Sign Gustafsson to league minimum so that we can finally have somebody to play on PP2.

What’s a good return?

I’d trade any one for a good return. Trading young cost controlled talent only makes sense if you’re getting back young cost controlled talent.

 

[TheDirtyH]

What’s a good return?

I’d trade any one for a good return. Trading young cost controlled talent only makes sense if you’re getting back young cost controlled talent.

I'd settle for a first round pick in the top half. Or if Columbus offered like LAs pick + a decent roster player or prospect I'd say that's good.

Schneider is not only not that good but, like his forward counterpart at LW, completely blocked from a bigger role for the indefinite future. I don't need a roster piece coming back if the futures are solid.

 

[Jauffre]

Yeah that definitely would have helped the puck movement through the zone problem

As Biz would say: "Off the glass and out!"

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

You dont trade laff when his value is at its all time low. Man do I miss jesper fast every time i watch him. Hes not a top 6 player but could fit in there if needed and is definitely a valuable 3rd liner

Kreider-mika-kakko
Panarin-chytil-fast
Laff-trocheck-othmann
Cuylle-Kampf-vesey

(Id love to keep motte. He used to be a center but had like a 40% faceoff win % career)

Id be fine with this to start the year and then upgrade RW at deadline.

 

[mas0764]

I can’t believe that damn dinosaur Larry Brooks is walling off every veteran and proposing to trade Kakko, Miller or Lafreniere. Pure idiocy.

 

[mas0764]

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Othmann*
Lafreniere-Trocheck-Cuylle
Vesey-Brodzinski*-Motte

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Harpoon

Igor
Halak

Miller - 3 x 4m
Lafreniere - 2 x 2.25m
Motte - 2 x 1m
Halak - 1 x 1m

Based on my calculations, this roster would have ~4.5 million to play with after a Goodrow trade/buyout. Othmann & Brodzinski would be placeholders for 2 additional players. Lafreniere is also the biggest candidate to move if the offer is worthwhile. I think that's enough wiggle room to add a winger like Garland (with some retention) and maybe a guy like Evan Rodrigues or Erik Haula to the bottom 6. Those are the types of players Drury should be targeting.

Whether we like it or not, this core is going to get one more shot with a new coach before Trouba/Kreider become tradeable next summer and they reassess.



I wouldnt get my hopes up that the Rangers will be making the 1st round pick they have in this draft. Not endorsing it, just trying to manage peoples expectations

Trouba and Kreider are tradeable now, they just don’t want to, and maybe would rather move Lafreniere even. Which would be insanity.

Take laf out and i do that trade.

I still think laf will be a real good player if we get an actual coach

Me too

 

[mas0764]

Whats going to happen to the 1st round pick they have in this draft? Even they are not dumb enough to trade it at this point.

They have no room to take on salary. Unless they are trading the first for a prospect on a minimum deal.

 

[mas0764]

New York Rangers fans want to trade every 21 year old on the team away. I’m not sure we deserve to win a Cup.