Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[mas0764]

Schneider at 925k vs Trouba 8M

I'd take my chances with Schneider all day.

Trouba sucks.

The people who defend him really don’t know what they are talking about.

And yeah, he can be pressured into waiving.

Move him and we have no problems with the cap. A $2.5m defenseman does what he does. Heck you can get someone who can move the puck up quicker.

 

[MrAlmost]

Start with this and go from there. More speed. Chytil isn't a center. Lets not pretend anymore. Laf and Kakko play 17+ minutes a night. No exceptions. Panarin is a PP weapon and extra attacker at this point. Sturm is Trocheck lite with speed and aggressive forecheck but less offensive ability. Good defense and faceoffs. 4th line is faster and more aggressive on the forecheck. If we suck, we suck. But I am willing to bet we are just as good with this team as we were this year, and we will have a better forecheck.

 

[mas0764]

The problem with trading the kids is that the return is so limited with what the roster and cap can allow. So there’s not really a blockbuster Matt Tkachuk type move to be made where you’re ok moving on from Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Schneider.

So now you’re in these Laf for a vet wing who yields the same stats, but is TOUGH but also makes $4-5m.

We’re not in the position to trade 2 wings who make nothing and score 40 points. And that’s looking at it entirely in a vacuum, before even getting into growth potential.

Trading one of the kids is moronic.

Larry Brooks said it because he’s a fossil who is married to Kreider, Trouba and any old vets because old hockey dinosaurs feel comfortable with players who have been around a decade for no other reason than comfort.

Kreider had 54 points at $6.5m and the gray heads can’t stop fellating him. He took every single power play shift of the season and had 17 pp points.

Lafreniere is literally ten years younger, three times as cheap, got far less top 6 ice time and PP time, and had 15 less points and people say he’s the biggest bust of all time.

No perspective at all.

Anyway, trade Trouba, who sucks, and be done with it.

 

[mike14]

Start with this and go from there. More speed. Chytil isn't a center. Lets not pretend anymore. Laf and Kakko play 17+ minutes a night. No exceptions. Panarin is a PP weapon and extra attacker at this point. Sturm is Trocheck lite with speed and aggressive forecheck but less offensive ability. Good defense and faceoffs. 4th line is faster and more aggressive on the forecheck. If we suck, we suck. But I am willing to bet we are just as good with this team as we were this year, and we will have a better forecheck.
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that RW is just depressing...

 

[Rangers in 7]

Trading one of the kids is moronic.

Larry Brooks said it because he’s a fossil who is married to Kreider, Trouba and any old vets because old hockey dinosaurs feel comfortable with players who have been around a decade for no other reason than comfort.

Kreider had 54 points at $6.5m and the gray heads can’t stop fellating him. He took every single power play shift of the season and had 17 pp points.

Lafreniere is literally ten years younger, three times as cheap, got far less top 6 ice time and PP time, and had 15 less points and people say he’s the biggest bust of all time.

No perspective at all.

Anyway, trade Trouba, who sucks, and be done with it.

I couldn’t agree more but some don’t care too look at the facts

 

[IDvsEGO]

Trading one of the kids is moronic.

Larry Brooks said it because he’s a fossil who is married to Kreider, Trouba and any old vets because old hockey dinosaurs feel comfortable with players who have been around a decade for no other reason than comfort.

Kreider had 54 points at $6.5m and the gray heads can’t stop fellating him. He took every single power play shift of the season and had 17 pp points.

Lafreniere is literally ten years younger, three times as cheap, got far less top 6 ice time and PP time, and had 15 less points and people say he’s the biggest bust of all time.

No perspective at all.

Anyway, trade Trouba, who sucks, and be done with it.

Pretty sure laf and kakko out produced CK at 5v5 this year.
This is the reason I want gallant gone, but have no clue who the F replaces him.

 

[mike14]

Pretty sure laf and kakko out produced CK at 5v5 this year.
This is the reason I want gallant gone, but have no clue who the F replaces him.

You are correct. KK had 32 (6th on the team), Laf 29 (8th) and CK was 9th with 28.
Weirdly, both kids played significantly more 5v5 time than Chris. Even accounting for the 2 games less CK played than Laf, he played 87 mins less 5v5...

 

[IDvsEGO]

You are correct. KK had 32 (6th on the team), Laf 29 (8th) and CK was 9th with 28.
Weirdly, both kids played significantly more 5v5 time than Chris. Even accounting for the 2 games less CK played than Laf, he played 87 mins less 5v5...

I like chytil, but theres a large gap in talent between chytil and mika.
So why are we feeding CK shifts with mika...
13-93-24
10-72- othmann
20-16- cuylle

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Start with this and go from there. More speed. Chytil isn't a center. Lets not pretend anymore. Laf and Kakko play 17+ minutes a night. No exceptions. Panarin is a PP weapon and extra attacker at this point. Sturm is Trocheck lite with speed and aggressive forecheck but less offensive ability. Good defense and faceoffs. 4th line is faster and more aggressive on the forecheck. If we suck, we suck. But I am willing to bet we are just as good with this team as we were this year, and we will have a better forecheck.
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Like the idea of chytil on rw.

 

[mike14]

I like chytil, but theres a large gap in talent between chytil and mika.
So why are we feeding CK shifts with mika...
13-93-24
10-72- othmann
20-16- cuylle

No idea. I think CK-Mika become a 'story' and so we/GG have just stuck with it.
I was surprised that we didn't really try a CK-Tro-Vesey/Goodrow line in of the 3 games where we were getting spanked around.

I think we are also really be hampered by not being able to find a line that works for Panarin. In some ways it's ok, as he just scores like a maniac (at least in the reg season) regardless, but it means we're trying to fit everyone else around 2 lines because none of them work with him.

 

[mas0764]

Pretty sure laf and kakko out produced CK at 5v5 this year.
This is the reason I want gallant gone, but have no clue who the F replaces him.

Kreider had 33 EV points, 17 PP points, 4 SH points.

Lafreniere had 35 EV points, 4 PP, 0 SH.

Kakko had 37 EV points, 3 PP, 0 SH.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Devils play a real team and finally pull their overrated goalie. See Rangers that is what happens when you shoot the puck on net, crash the net, screen the goalie and not stand in one spot. Like the first goal win faceoff, go towards the net and score, play at a fast speed paced game like on the 2ed Canes goal.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Kreider had 33 EV points, 17 PP points, 4 SH points.

Lafreniere had 35 EV points, 4 PP, 0 SH.

Kakko had 37 EV points, 3 PP, 0 SH.

@LokiDog @DanielBrassard

Kreider must suck too by your logic?

 

[kinger8998]

23-24 and 24-25 Outlook

After the org allowed Gallant to speak today, I think things are trending towards him being back, despite the rumors.

What I would expect though, are 2, if not all of his assistants, to be alleviated and replaced after the defense failed to move the puck, and after the PP failed to come through in crunch time.

I genuinely don't see Panarin waiving, and I don't see the org trading Goodrow. He is a Drury contract and a Gallant-named "A".

I think if there is a summer where things get blown up, it will be next summer. Lindgren is a UFA, Kakko is RFA, Kreider and Trouba NMC's transfer to variations of NTC's. Goodrow will still be on his NTC and could be traded then.

I think this offseason we will see Lafreniere maybe even sign a 1-year contract, 2 maximum. Miller will sign amywhere from 2-4 years. I would not be surrpised to see Lafreniere sign the 1-year contract to put big decision time at the same time as Kakko next summer.

My best guess is Motte returns on 4th line and Othmann plays 3rd line minutes next season after making team out of camp. He's a shooter, has an edge, and some of you here underestimate his skating.

My best guess for the roster next season:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Othmann
Lafreniere-Chytil-Cuylle/Kane/FA signing
Vesey-Goodrow-Motte
Leschyshyn

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Harpur

Shesterkin
Halak

Personally, I'd make a couple changes, more in line combos as opposed to personnel:

Lafreniere-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kreider
Othmann-Trocheck-Cuylle/Kane/FA signing
Vesey-Goodrow-Motte
Leschyshyn

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Harpur

Shesterkin
Halak

Kreider does very little at 5v5 anyways, so stop going with this him and Mika one trick pony and split them up, and also move Kreider to RW. He should use his speed and drive down wall, drop should, stick out arm/knee, and drive net cutting to forehand, especially with the speed of Chytil through the NZ we've seen more of being a threat as well.

Kane, if he get surgery and signs hometown discount if he so dearly wants to remain in NY after we sign Laf and Miller... I could see back. He would liekly miss start of season, hence Cuylle being there temporarily in the interim. If Kane is not signed, I see it's more likely a bargain bin FA signing is made as opposed to Cuylle outright having a roster spot.

If this doesn't work, you cap flexibilty is 2024 offseason compared to this offseason is drastic.

One of the new assistant coaches will likely be a former NHL head coach, as insurance to be named as interim HC if things go by the wayside with Gallant in 23-24 and he is fired. Then a thorough coaching search post 2024 can be done, if need be.
Kreider, Trouba, Goodrow could all be moved after 2024. That would significantly alter the leaderhsip group, tram makeup, and the team would gain nearly $18 million in cap, unless salary is taken back.
Lafreniere and Kakko will be RFA's, hopefully they both have breakout seasons in 23-24 and earn deals to stay as top 6 wings of future, if not decision time.
Lindgren will be UFA and Halak would likely be UFA, both would likely be allowed to walk should 23-24 suffer same fate as this season and be a failure.

You would then enter 24-25 with a skeleton of:

___-Zibanejad-____
Panarin-Chytil-____
Othmann-Trocheck-Cuylle
Vesey-_____-Motte
_____

Miller-Fox
_____-_____
Jones-Schneider
Harpur

Shesterkin
_____

Options to fill roster spots are Adam Sykora (F), Brett Berard (F), Matthew Robertson (D), Dylan Garand (G). Lafreniere and Kakko would both be RFA (if Lafs signs 1-year, if its 2-year bridge he is still penned in with Chyitl/Zibanejad in top 6).
I am aware that look for the roster is tough, but Drury would be sitting with potentially up to $40 million to reshape the roster through 8 new recruits. A ton of potential

 

[DanielBrassard]

@LokiDog @DanielBrassard

Kreider must suck too by your logic?

At 5v5 they both had 29 and Lafreniere had 87 more minutes ice time.

 

[mas0764]

At 5v5 they both had 29 and Lafreniere had 87 more minutes ice time.

What am I missing? Kreider had 33 EV points and Laf had 35, no?

 

[Rangers in 7]

What am I missing? Kreider had 33 EV points and Laf had 35, no?

ES counts 4 v 4 and 3 v 3

He’s saying strictly 5 v 5

At 5v5 they both had 29 and Lafreniere had 87 more minutes ice time.

Kreider averaged over 3 minutes more per game

Your point is invalid

 

[mike14]

ES counts 4 v 4 and 3 v 3

He’s saying strictly 5 v 5


Kreider averaged over 3 minutes more per game

Your point is invalid

If 5v5 is what's being discussed, why is the ice time comment invalid? We know CK gets a heap more time on the PP and PK to make up the overall ice time discrepancy, but that has nothing to do with 5v5

 

[bleedblue94]

it would not surprise me to see him drop to 5

The perfect team is arz if they miss bedard. By the time he's ready to come over they should be in a new arena wherever it is that are going to be playing.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

 

[IDvsEGO]

Kreider averaged over 3 minutes more per game

Your point is invalid

I mean no, his point is still valid. Its just a mediocre one.
In 3 extra minutes a game CK had 17 points. He's not even a pp specialist at this point. He just had a great single season, and now bounced back to earth.
He hit 30 goals, which everyone said was where he should be if he could ever stay healthy.
But he needed 8 pp goals to do it.

Give laf the same pp time, and I legit wonder how many people would be screaming bust.

 

[bleedblue94]

Mercer is on the Devils top PP unit and scored 10 points on the PP this year

Otherwise he had 44 EV points compared to 35 for Lafreniere and 37 for Kakko

You realize the jump from 35 evp to 44 is over a 20 percent increase right?

 

[Rangers in 7]

If 5v5 is what's being discussed, why is the ice time comment invalid? We know CK gets a heap more time on the PP and PK to make up the overall ice time discrepancy, but that has nothing to do with 5v5

87 minutes at 5 v 5 equates to roughly 1 minute a game

Kreider STILL averaged over 3:20 more then him a game

The increased ice time on the PP leads to more points

It’s not like he played over 300 more minutes at ES

I mean no, his point is still valid. Its just a mediocre one.
In 3 extra minutes a game CK had 17 points. He's not even a pp specialist at this point. He just had a great single season, and now bounced back to earth.
He hit 30 goals, which everyone said was where he should be if he could ever stay healthy.
But he needed 8 pp goals to do it.

Give laf the same pp time, and I legit wonder how many people would be screaming bust.

Invalid may have been overkill

Also if laf got the PP time and put up 55+ points no one would be saying shit

 

[bleedblue94]

Schneider to Vancouver (we know they love him) for Conor Garland. Garland is the exact type of fearless, quick playing 5v5 offense driver who plays around the net the team needs. I think he could be Fast on steroids on a Panarin line. Curious to hear your thoughts on Garland as a former Coyote. I love Schneider but he's in the same boat as Lafreniere in that he's blocked by 2 guys who are going nowhere.

Van wanted him but there was no deal to be made. That's part of why they made the trade w Detroit.

 

[Rangers in 7]

You realize the jump from 35 evp to 44 is over a 20 percent increase right?

It’s still only 9 points…..