Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[bleedblue94]

That's an interesting thought. I know Buffalo might be looking for a RD maybe we could swing Schneider for Quinn or Peterka.

The teams are 5 hours away from each other. They arent making that kind of trade with each other. No chance.

It’s still only 9 points…..

Ha would you say the same if it was 44 vs 26? It's only 9pt drop for laffy then opposed to a 9pt increase...

 

[mas0764]

87 minutes at 5 v 5 equates to roughly 1 minute a game

Kreider STILL averaged over 3:20 more then him a game

The increased ice time on the PP leads to more points

It’s not like he played over 300 more minutes at ES


Invalid may have been overkill

Also if laf got the PP time and put up 55+ points no one would be saying shit

The 87 total minutes more that Laf got is about the same ratio more points he had at EV.

 

[DanielBrassard]

If you look at primary points/60 Kreider was at 1.56 vs 1.1 for Lafreniere. Lafreniere only closes the gap due to 2nd assists which arent as repeatable or whatever the right word I'm looking for is. And that's been shown to be true for a long time I'm not just making it up. Also Kreider is one of the best play drivers in the league even at 31 while Lafreniere is not.

 

[Rangers in 7]

The teams are 5 hours away from each other. They arent making that kind of trade with each other. No chance.


Ha would you say the same if it was 44 vs 26? It's only 9pt drop for laffy then opposed to a 9pt increase...

No that would be 18

If you look at primary points/60 Kreider was at 1.56 vs 1.1 for Lafreniere. Lafreniere only closes the gap due to 2nd assists which arent as repeatable or whatever the right word I'm looking for is. And that's been shown to be true for a long time I'm not just making it up. Also Kreider is one of the best play drivers in the league even at 31 while Lafreniere is not.

Im
Sorry but kreider is not a play driver…..like at all

He’s a one trick pony

 

[DanielBrassard]

No that would be 18


Im
Sorry but kreider is not a play driver…..like at all

He’s a one trick pony

@Machinehead

 

[bleedblue94]

No that would be 18


Im
Sorry but kreider is not a play driver…..like at all

He’s a one trick pony

I'm missing the joke bc I see 35 - 9 = 26. I just be missing out on some new math bs ha

 

[mas0764]

Devils play a real team and finally pull their overrated goalie. See Rangers that is what happens when you shoot the puck on net, crash the net, screen the goalie and not stand in one spot. Like the first goal win faceoff, go towards the net and score, play at a fast speed paced game like on the 2ed Canes goal.

I’m as angst ridden as the next guy over this season’s outcome, and I think the team has made too many bad decisions in favor of the vets over the kids (and getting more kids). And I think they need to do something, whether it’s the coach or the deeper organization, to get some structure and development of offensive skill and cohesiveness.

But that being said the Devils were just a terrible matchup for us. Them and the Bruins. Those were the two teams in the entire league that I had the least amount of hope against.

Like, we may have lost a series against the Leafs or something too, but we wouldn’t have scored 2 goals across 4 games. The Devils just ran us out of the building once they got their legs. And I do believe we could have beaten most anyone else.

Still…. That’s why it was always obvious that we weren’t good enough. When you look at two teams in your conference that have your number, you aren’t the elite team on the block.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I'm missing the joke bc I see 35 - 9 = 26. I just be missing out on some new math bs ha

Maybe we are both confused now?

 

[mas0764]

If you look at primary points/60 Kreider was at 1.56 vs 1.1 for Lafreniere. Lafreniere only closes the gap due to 2nd assists which arent as repeatable or whatever the right word I'm looking for is. And that's been shown to be true for a long time I'm not just making it up. Also Kreider is one of the best play drivers in the league even at 31 while Lafreniere is not.

I know that the advanced stats make your last statement true but damn I never see it. Kreider is invisible to me far too much. He’s like Cris Carter on the Vikings, “all he does is catch touchdowns,” as a negative. All Kreider does is score tip in and deflection goals. Ironic to be sure but… I feel like he does not control play or the puck, ever.

And Kreider’s primary points are higher because with his 33 EV points they are like all goals, lol.

How would Laf compare to someone who wasn’t 2-to-1 in favor of goals making up their point totals?

 

[Kravtsov420]

Apparently it was Drury and Gallant goin at it after game four someone link the athletic article from Arthur Staple. It’s in the first two paragraphs basically confirming what Friedman said.

Gallants a goner

 

[bleedblue94]

Maybe we are both confused now?

I was responded to someone saying mercer had 44 ev points vs laffy at 35 ex points and the claim that they weren't that far apart. I pointed out that the gap from 35 to 44 is over 20 percent increase in production, it's a lot more than it seems. You said something about 18, I'm not sure why

Apparently it was Drury and Gallant goin at it after game four someone link the athletic article from Arthur Staplw. It’s in the first two paragraphs basically confirming what Friedman said.

Gallants a goner

Staple is writing about this now? Then you have to believe there is truth in it. No wonder turk was so defensive today. He knows he's likely getting canned for this and he's defensive/pissy about it.

Need that taxi cab gif again please...

 

[mas0764]

I think Laf can reach 54 next year, frankly.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I was responded to someone saying mercer had 44 ev points vs laffy at 35 ex points and the claim that they weren't that far apart. I pointed out that the gap from 35 to 44 is over 20 percent increase in production, it's a lot more than it seems. You said something about 18, I'm not sure why


Staple is writing about this now? Then you have to believe there is truth in it. No wonder turk was so defensive today. He knows he's likely getting canned for this and he's defensive/pissy about it.

Need that taxi cab gif again please...

I said it’s only 9 points, you then said it’s 35-9? But 44-9 is 35? Sooooooo

 

[17futurecap]

You sign Miller to a long term deal, and then go to this starting in September.

 

[mas0764]

I actually am getting the feeling they are gonna try to run it all back minus the rentals, and maybe even the coach. And change almost nothing. Not sure if even that is affordable though.

 

[smoneil]

There are two different versions of Panarin. The one who played here the first two years, and the one who played after the Wilson incident. The Wilson incident is literally the flipped switch between the two versions of Panarin. Post-Wilson, he plays scared. He stays outside the play on both ends of the ice and tries to force passes through parts of the ice he won't skate through. With his talent, that's still enough to rack up a bunch of points. It isn't enough to do any damage in the postseason.

This team can't win with this version of Panarin as its star player. That has been made completely clear the last two playoffs.

The team has too much depth and quality to really be in any position to luck into a lottery pick. There are good players at pretty much every position, more good players on the way, and too many of them have NMCs to do a full rebuild (nor do I think anyone wants to start over, for that matter).

As far as I can see, there's only one real option if the team wants to actually win with this core. They need to see if they can still do what they SHOULD have done the moment they won those draft lotteries, and finally develop their elite prospects.

Commit to feeding Kakko, Laf, and Chytil minutes in all situations next season. Attach nutritionists and skating coaches to their hips this offseason. Bring in a coach with a track record for getting the most out of young players, and give that coach a directive--win if possible, but job one is taking the kids to the next level.

Laf and Kakko are on line one, with line one usage, PP1 usage, and eased into the PK rotation. Chytil is the 2nd line center, with regular PP and PK time. Trocheck is 3C. Panarin is 3LW. They won't like it. I don't care. They had the chance to lead this team and they collectively scored 1 goal and 2 secondary assists. If they aren't on board with the change, they are welcome to waive their contract clauses to go somewhere else.

The Rangers' only hope is to force-feed time to the kids and hope that it isn't too late to develop them the way they should have been developed from day one. There's literally nothing to lose.

 

[mas0764]

The same thing has been true for years now, the Rangers need their kids to turn into stars to become true contenders, and they have to do it before Mika/Panarin/Kreider decline which is getting less and less likely by the day.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

What’s the new template?

 

[I Eat Crow]

I think Laf can reach 54 next year, frankly.

Missed nets? Years old?

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

What’s the new template?

We're a speed team now, we're giving Athanasiou the C

 

[Barnaby]

I hear you but they literally do not have a choice on the bolded. The earliest a core piece is getting moved is next season. I'd gladly keep Laf but how is he going to succeed here playing 3rd line with 0 PP time. Is the same shitty role going to motivate him to put his golf clubs away and live in the gym all summer?

I’m not saying it’s true, but if you’re correct that he can’t motivate himself because he’s not being gift wrapped PP time then he should be dealt. It’s not like he’s up in the press box or riding the bus in the minors. Start making plays and he’ll get more opportunities.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Apparently it was Drury and Gallant goin at it after game four someone link the athletic article from Arthur Staple. It’s in the first two paragraphs basically confirming what Friedman said.

Gallants a goner

Here ya go

Gallant’s been on the hot seat since the Rangers were eliminated and even a bit before this postseason. The Athletic can confirm a report from Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman that Gallant and GM Chris Drury got heated after the Game 4 loss to the Devils, fueling speculation that a first-round exit might bring a change behind the bench.

Here’s what we can say right now: Gallant was not in player exit meetings on Wednesday, they were conducted by Drury alone. Though, as Gallant pointed out, that was also the case after last season’s run to the Eastern Conference final, a year in which Gallant was nominated for the Jack Adams award. And Gallant addressing reporters after the players spoke is not usually the act of a coach who may be on the way out.

However, this may not be a usual summer if the Rangers are looking to make a change. It’s not believed that Drury has any appetite to dump Gallant for any other coach, unless something unexpected happens in Pittsburgh between the Penguins and Mike Sullivan; the crop of available veteran coaches, from Peter Laviolette to Bruce Boudreau to Darryl Sutter, is not likely to sway the Rangers into making a move

 

[bleedblue94]

I said it’s only 9 points, you then said it’s 35-9? But 44-9 is 35? Sooooooo

Okay, like I said 9 points is over a 20 percent increase. It's actually a decent chunk.

 

[Guyute]

You realize the jump from 35 evp to 44 is over a 20 percent increase right?

Yes, but as RangerBoy said Mercer’s most frequent line mates were Hischier, Tatar, and Hughes. He’s playing with the Devils better players.

Laffy and Kakko don’t get much time with Mika and Bread.

 

[Barnaby]

What if it was possible to trade Panarin for Erik Karlsson?

I don't try and play GM too much but the thought entered my brain when I couldn't sleep last night. Obviously the NTC stuff is a roadblock but curious how people would feel about trying to make that happen. Two bad contracts for players who are different types of veterans who can score during the regular season.

Panarin makes less than $200k more per year than Karlsson and is signed through 2025-26

Karlsson is signed through 2026-27 @ $11.5/Year

Feel free to rip this apart but I want no part of Panarin unless there's a "Panarin Whisperer" coach available (probably not).

I can’t see SJ having any interest in that absent a huge addition. Then, you still need to get Panarin to agree… probably EK as well though I don’t know his status off the top of my ahead.