Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[Ola]

Elliotte Friedman mentioned the NBA issue from a few years ago when they had a big cap increase. The NBA wanted to negotiate the cap increase and spread it out over a few years. The NBA PA said no. The NBA called it "smoothing".

The NBA will have another big cap increase and this topic has come up again.

One group of players benefited from the ingcrwae while some players did not.

Cap smoothing 101: How the NBA can prevent another 2016-like spike with a new television deal looming

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Elliotte said the cap increase will be in the summer of 2024.

The NBA cap jumped from $70M to $94M in one summer in 2016. The NHL cap increase will be less than $24M. John Shannon had mentioned as much as $10M a few weeks ago.

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Enough people aren’t calling out the PA for how they have handled this.

If they would have let the cap move up in relation to HRR, all players shares the cost for the monies lent from the owners during the pandemic, equally through large escrow deductions. As it is now, escrow is kept at a minimum which means that the free agents during 22’ and 23’ will take a lion share of those costs. Choosing that option is an A-hole move by a smaller number of well established NHL players mostly on long term deals representing their teams and casting a vote on this.

How much is this costing individual players? Well it’s not hard to take a list of 50 free agents and look at what they have signed for, or probably will get, and estimate what they sign for if the cap instead was 90m this summer. Tyler Motte gets what, 3.5m per for 4 years if the cap is 90m? Instead he will get what 1.5m for 1 year?

A select number of free agents in 22’ and 23’ will, as it currently stands, take — massive — pay cuts in order to enable the other 500 members or whatever of the PA to be affected as little as possible.

To grandfather in the coming cap increase make all the sense in the world for the PA — from the perspective of all players, just not the one veteran per team representing his group casting his vote on the issue.

 

[Ola]

[Eye]’m a guessing, not whom most of y’all were probably hoping fer, but this New York Ranger was an NHL Rule Book changer.
This many days till opening night:
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Dang, I can’t place that face. Voros after a hair cut? But he didn’t create a rule change and had the long hair. Berard? Looks a bit too thick. Did they change the visor rule thanks to him? Can’t remember anyone else with 34. Was thinking Sauer but that pic got to be older, it’s Peca right for TML? Sauer was of course a righty too. Position seems like a D, but how many younger LDs did we have back then? It’s not many. Rachunek? Mottau?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Really not looking forward to having to watch Vesey this season

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Dang, I can’t place that face. Voros after a hair cut? But he didn’t create a rule change and had the long hair. Berard? Looks a bit too thick. Did they change the visor rule thanks to him? Can’t remember anyone else with 34. Was thinking Sauer but that pic got to be older, it’s Peca right for TML? Sauer was of course a righty too. Position seems like a D, but how many younger LDs did we have back then? It’s not many. Rachunek? Mottau?

Bryan Berard: The rule change was minimum vision in both eyes.

 

[Circus86]

November 2 - This is a bad hockey team

December 15 - Is this a dynasty?

January 4 - This is a bad hockey team

Most commonly used GIFs in HF NYR GDT during those times:

November 2

December 15

January 4

 

[17futurecap]

Staple said they were offered a high second for Nils this past draft, and says a 2nd rounder would still be on the table for him for next years draft.


Mentions Nathan Beaulieu as a possible PTO barf.

 

[JimmyG89]

Training camp in two weeks. Preseason gets underway in 19 days.

 

[Crease]

Really not looking forward to having to watch Vesey this season

15:00 TOI, PP2 and last minute of game all situations.

 

[Ola]

Bryan Berard: The rule change was minimum vision in both eyes.

Was he that thick? Remember him as being more skinny.

 

[Thirty One]

The Rangers should sign Vesey and trade him to Buffalo for a 3rd. Can't have too many 3rds.

 

[Savant]

Staple said they were offered a high second for Nils this past draft, and says a 2nd rounder would still be on the table for him for next years draft.


Mentions Nathan Beaulieu as a possible PTO barf.

Would be annoying if that was the Owen Beck pick from Montreal. One of the SJ picks would have made sense too. Maybe they offered 45 but Rangers wanted the Cam Lund pick

 

[Atax]

15:00 TOI, PP2 and last minute of game all situations.

We all know its going to happen. Meanwhile Sam and Joe will talk about how much the coach trusts him and how he plays the right way. Meanwhile Gallant will sit VK if he flubs a crappy pass from Reaves on the 4th line.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Stutzle re-signed with Ottawa 8 years $8.35MM AAV. Starts next season.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Stutzle re-signed with Ottawa 8 years $8.35MM AAV. Starts next season.

Damn...kinda stings knowing Laffy is worth no where near that as it stands now

 

[RGY]

Ottawa is just a poorly run franchise. How do you pay/commit to Stutzle that much money and term?

 

[Rongomania]

Ottawa is just a poorly run franchise. How do you pay/commit to Stutzle that much money and term?

Honestly insane.

 

[Savant]

Damn...kinda stings knowing Laffy is worth no where near that as it stands now

Why does it sting. Stutzle isn’t worth that either. Ottawa just paying for upside. But Ottawa also has him in a much better position to succeed playing with Giroux. Lafreniere hasn’t even proved he can stay in top six. If Lafreniere thinks that’s a reasonable comparison, Rangers should put him on the block sooner than later.

 

[QJL]

Ottawa is just a poorly run franchise. How do you pay/commit to Stutzle that much money and term?

I think it’s going to end up being a fantastic deal. I can’t overemphasize how advantageous it is to take calculated risks on your high potential players. Stutzle is going to be a superstar and he’s going to have among the best contracts in the league years 4-8 of that contract. No doubt. It sucks we don’t have the room to go similar lengths with our young players.

With the Stutzle and Dach contracts now inked, we are in for a doozy of an offseason with Lafreniere and Miller. Anyone thinking those guys sign for a number beginning with 3 are in for a rude awakening.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

If Lafreniere has a break out season that’s the type of deal he’ll be expecting. Especially with Hughes signing a similar one.

It really sucks that this whole flat cap Covid shit just HAD to happen when the Rangers were rebuilding and finally got high draft picks and have a good team now. Of course the once in a lifetime circumstance just had to happen at this point. Just Rangers luck.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Thats a completely insane contract

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

8m is 1st liner money, not superstar money. Definitely worth the risk

 

[n8]

Stutzle re-signed with Ottawa 8 years $8.35MM AAV. Starts next season.

seriously WTF?

 

[bhamill]

I don't think its an insane contract. As someone already pointed out it's not a superstar contract. They are betting on him taking the next step in the next couple of years and if he does he's a legit ppg first line forward. Needs work on everything but his offense, but then he is only 20 years old and just scored 58 in 79 games.
Laf is a more rounded player, if he scores 58 this year, especially if without PP1 time, continues to improve his D and keeps playing with high compete and edge, the NYR will be looking to lock him up long term as soon as the cap permits. And if anyone thinks that will be much below this contract factoring in UFA years involved... or thatt the NYR would rather trade him, ... well, you're f***ing crazy.

 

[Ruggs225]

I think the Stutzle contract was genius for OTT. Kid is going to be a stud. He might not even be overpaid this year if he takes the leap. But this could be a MCkinnon like deal the last 4 years after the cap jumps

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I think the Stutzle contract was genius for OTT. Kid is going to be a stud. He might not even be overpaid this year if he takes the leap. But this could be a MCkinnon like deal the last 4 years after the cap jumps

By the end of that deal it will be closer to a 5-6m hit now - agree