Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[Taluss]

Ottawa is just a poorly run franchise. How do you pay/commit to Stutzle that much money and term?

Cap is going up, he certainly has the potential to make that deal look solid. It’s 1st liner $; his potential is a 1st line player. I have no doubt it will age well

Also Ottawa has been bad at paying their star players/fan favorites. They had the chance this year with a few names and they nailed all them & proved to fans they’re committed.

Its a no brainer to sign him for that $ and term imo.

 

[McRanger92]

Stutzle getting compared to MacKinnon. Hockey season needs to start already

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I actually don't think its fully insane, but its a gamble. He had near 60 points as a 20 year old. After the cap goes up in a couple years this might be a steal for the last 6 years of the deal.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Nathan Baulieu wouldn't be a bad idea for a pto imo, plays physical, might be the kind of guy that can play with schneider.

Imo people that are pissed about the Stutzle contract are gonna realize why they did it when after Lafreniere's bridge deal we gotta pay him 10 per

 

[Fitzy]

8m is 1st liner money, not superstar money. Definitely worth the risk

In UFA.

What's interesting is that long term deals that are mostly RFA are getting closer and closer to the kind of deals those players would command as 26 year old UFAs on the open market.

One theory is that teams would rather overpay at a young age to avoid the 3-4 years of decline at the end of a comparable 8 year contract for a UFA age player.

Still- I hate that having RFA rights to a player seems to be worth less and less. It takes away from the value of proper player development.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Really not looking forward to having to watch Vesey this season

He's a good 4th line player. If hes signed after the PTO, its to be a 4th liner unless theres a big rash of injuries. The problem is Gallant.

 

[Raspewtin]

He's a good 4th line player. If hes signed after the PTO, its to be a 4th liner unless theres a big rash of injuries. The problem is Gallant.

but we already have 4th liners. Unless Goodrow, Carpenter, and Hunt are all in a plane crash Vesey really has no spot.

Players like Vesey are prime candidates to play too many minutes and he serves absolutely no need. I don't think he'll get signed but it will be really irritating if he does.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

In UFA.

What's interesting is that long term deals that are mostly RFA are getting closer and closer to the kind of deals those players would command as 26 year old UFAs on the open market.

One theory is that teams would rather overpay at a young age to avoid the 3-4 years of decline at the end of a comparable 8 year contract for a UFA age player.

Still- I hate that having RFA rights to a player seems to be worth less and less. It takes away from the value of proper player development.

don't see how that relevant to our team lol

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

In UFA.

What's interesting is that long term deals that are mostly RFA are getting closer and closer to the kind of deals those players would command as 26 year old UFAs on the open market.

One theory is that teams would rather overpay at a young age to avoid the 3-4 years of decline at the end of a comparable 8 year contract for a UFA age player.

Still- I hate that having RFA rights to a player seems to be worth less and less. It takes away from the value of proper player development.

Exactly. With no arb rights.

Y'all are telling me if Stutzle hits the open market as a UFA, he is a $10M+ player? Because that's what this contract is implying.

After a ~60 point season. Fed PP minutes...34th among forwards in the entire league in PP time / GP. 193rd in 5v5 point scoring last year with 25 points....factoring in ice time 285th in points per 60 with 1.37. For NYR context...Chytil and Lafreniere were both more productive 5v5 factoring in TOI.

Insanity IMO.

 

[McRanger92]

but we already have 4th liners. Unless Goodrow, Carpenter, and Hunt are all in a plane crash Vesey really has no spot.

Players like Vesey are prime candidates to play too many minutes and he serves absolutely no need. I don't think he'll get signed but it will be really irritating if he does.

Reaves Carpenter Hunt Brodzinski Rydahl Vesey are all probably battling for 4 4th line/extra skater roster spots and its going to come down to who is the easiest to sneak through waivers

 

[LORDE]

I think it’s going to end up being a fantastic deal. I can’t overemphasize how advantageous it is to take calculated risks on your high potential players. Stutzle is going to be a superstar and he’s going to have among the best contracts in the league years 4-8 of that contract. No doubt. It sucks we don’t have the room to go similar lengths with our young players.

With the Stutzle and Dach contracts now inked, we are in for a doozy of an offseason with Lafreniere and Miller. Anyone thinking those guys sign for a number beginning with 3 are in for a rude awakening.

I agree. I think it's funny that certain posters scoff at deals inking future star players long term while we recycle the Stromes of the world, constantly trying to find the shortcut and bridge the -insert young contract here-yet "THOSE TEAMS ARE STUPID"

When Ottawa wins a cup before this franchise gets another one, maybe then the thinking shifts?

Probably not.

Editing this by saying we WISH that KK, Chytil, Laffy or Kravtsov pushed us to ink this kinda deal and they didn't or haven't if you wanna be nice

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I agree. I think it's funny that certain posters scoff at deals inking future star players long term while we recycle the Stromes of the world, constantly trying to find the shortcut and bridge the -insert young contract here-yet "THOSE TEAMS ARE STUPID"

When Ottawa wins a cup before this franchise gets another one, maybe then the thinking shifts?

Probably not.

Editing this by saying we WISH that KK, Chytil, Laffy or Kravtsov pushed us to ink this kinda deal and they didn't or haven't if you wanna be nice

Ottawa aren’t winning a cup anytime soon so don’t worry

 

[gravey9]

I agree. I think it's funny that certain posters scoff at deals inking future star players long term while we recycle the Stromes of the world, constantly trying to find the shortcut and bridge the -insert young contract here-yet "THOSE TEAMS ARE STUPID"

When Ottawa wins a cup before this franchise gets another one, maybe then the thinking shifts?

Probably not.

The best thing about the Stutzle and Thompson deals is that they should act as major motivation for our younger players to break out.

The two downsides:

The obvious one -- we'll need to pay guys if they break out and we may not be able to.

The bigger issue -- If any of Chytil, Kravtsov, Laffy or Kakko don't get a large enough role, they will demand out. They are leaving money on the table deferring to Panarin, Zib, Trouba and Kreider. This is the true underlying tension that is causing so much angst in our prospect ranks. Legit opportunity. Players at 20-21-22 are making BIG money now. They aren't having to wait until they're 25-26. Most young players are being thrown to the garbage heap by age 29-30. The window to secure their futures has significantly moved up due to the cap. And when you don't get enough opportunity, you end up in that 2m and under market -- which is growing larger and larger due to stagnant cap. The reality facing players and agents is vastly different than it was pre-pandemic.

The Rangers MUST carve out legit TOI for the kids during the regular season. Or else they will absolutely want out. Kakko, Chytil and Kravtsov will be at the very top of this list. Much of the fanbase tends to view this season as a make or break for the kids -- when in actuality, it's make or break for the Organization to prove to the kids they're willing to invest in them. Laffy and Kakko shouldn't be gifted minutes, but at this point, they need to be given significant more opportunity this season.

If they produce, Great, we move one of the older core pieces. If they fail, then we don't have to worry about the salary. But not playing them is going to be a disaster in terms of keeping the young team together.

 

[gravey9]

Ottawa aren’t winning a cup anytime soon so don’t worry

Ottawa is going to surprise a lot of teams this year. Their rebuild is going to take a major step forward either this season or next. They've set themselves up well and have a ton of young talent. But they likely won't contend. That said, if there's any young team I wouldn't sleep on having a surprise playoff run this season, it's Ottawa.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The Rangers should sign Vesey and trade him to Buffalo for a 3rd. Can't have too many 3rds.

I think Vesey should be traded to Buffalo every year after signing a 1-year contract.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Ottawa is going to surprise a lot of teams this year. Their rebuild is going to take a major step forward either this season or next. They've set themselves up well and have a ton of young talent. But they likely won't contend. That said, if there's any young team I wouldn't sleep on having a surprise playoff run this season, it's Ottawa.

Isn’t their goalie still the putrid corpse of Craig Anderson?

 

[Taluss]

Isn’t their goalie still the putrid corpse of Craig Anderson?

Nah that’s Sabres now.

Tablot & Forsberg for the Sens. Potentially decent enough goaltending to make it to playoffs. Also potentially underwhelming

 

[LannyMcdonald]

Exactly. With no arb rights.

Y'all are telling me if Stutzle hits the open market as a UFA, he is a $10M+ player? Because that's what this contract is implying.

After a ~60 point season. Fed PP minutes...34th among forwards in the entire league in PP time / GP. 193rd in 5v5 point scoring last year with 25 points....factoring in ice time 285th in points per 60 with 1.37. For NYR context...Chytil and Lafreniere were both more productive 5v5 factoring in TOI.

Insanity IMO

I agree. I think it's funny that certain posters scoff at deals inking future star players long term while we recycle the Stromes of the world, constantly trying to find the shortcut and bridge the -insert young contract here-yet "THOSE TEAMS ARE STUPID"

When Ottawa wins a cup before this franchise gets another one, maybe then the thinking shifts?

Probably not.

Editing this by saying we WISH that KK, Chytil, Laffy or Kravtsov pushed us to ink this kinda deal and they didn't or haven't if you wanna be nice

I think teams are really spooked by the Tkachuk events. Especially dodgy market teams (Ottawa, Buffalo) who fear young stars will walk them to UFA via arbitration and then walk altogether.

Combine that with a salary cap that will go vertical in the next few years, and these moves aren’t crazy.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Nah that’s Sabres now.

Tablot & Forsberg for the Sens. Potentially decent enough goaltending to make it to playoffs. Also potentially underwhelming

Oh right. I guess Talbot is an upgrade for them. Still, they don’t scare me

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I think the Stutzle contract was genius for OTT. Kid is going to be a stud. He might not even be overpaid this year if he takes the leap. But this could be a MCkinnon like deal the last 4 years after the cap jumps

I don't think he becomes a stud. I see him as a 70-75 point scorer. Which is still very good, but not stud territory.

 

[LokiDog]

He’s already putting on good size to prepare for camp 2040.

 

[Leonardo87]

Rangers tied for most national broadcast games..

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Rangers tied for most national broadcast games..

Omg the disrespect to the Stanley Cup faves only 1 game smh

 

[Leonardo87]

Omg the disrespect to the Stanley Cup faves only 1 game smh

LOL. Also, No one cares about Montreal except Montreal. They’ll probably blame that one also on Kreider.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Rangers tied for most national broadcast games..