Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[bl02]

I’ve been saying that for ages. There is no reason to deprive Lafreniere of his natural LW spot, where he is more comfortable, in favor of Kreider who parks it in front of the net and has no more developing to do.

put me in the camp of keeping Lafreniere at his natural position. Was mentioned many times by the coach that is Laf's favorite spot. Maybe the kid line in the playoffs won't be able to gel like that for an entire 82 games plus playoffs but I want Lafreniere at the spot he is most comfortable with.

 

[duhmetreE]

Matthew I might entertain.

Brady is the most overrated player in the NHL currently and for a one/two-year window I wouldn't trade Kreider for him, let alone Panarin.

Brady Tkachuk is very good, but he's very good like Kreider is very good. He's not a superstar. His father and brother are. Brady is absolutely The Godfather III out of that family. Two Hall of Famers and "eh, I'll watch it."

you forgot the 'S'. Matthews

the stars are aligning

 

[I Eat Crow]

Kreider-Chytil-Kakko would make teams forfeit. That line would hold the puck in the offensive zone for minutes at a time, not seconds. Trick is how to fill the lineup around it.

Panarin-Trochek-Blais
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kravtsov?

Give the Panarin line the "3rd line" minutes and that'll make teams piss themselves, then forfeit.

Goodrow-Trochek-Kakko matchup line goes into effect during the playoffs.

you forgot the 'S'. Matthews

the stars are aligning

Arizona is going to relocate or fold at this rate before Matthews gets to FA.

I really do think it's Toronto, Arizona, or the Rangers for him in two years. The cap is going to go up just in time.

 

[Kocur26]

Over under on duration of stay?

3 months?

I would say he’s here for a decade +

 

[Kocur26]

Would you do Lafrenniere- Schneider - Kravstsov for Tkachuck and a throw in d- man?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Would you do Lafrenniere- Schneider - Kravstsov for Tkachuck and a throw in d- man?

Pass.

It is literally impossible for the Rangers to acquire Tkachuk right now. Neither Panarin, nor Kreider, nor Trouba are waiving for Calgary. Who even has cap space left?

Tkachuk is better off signing a two year bridge and picking his destination. Calgary isn't going to want to lose both he and Gaudreau for nothing. Trevling would be fired before he could make it to the press conference on July 1, 2024 if that happened.

It's a buyer's trade market. Not many teams with cap space and the teams that do and have assets will hold teams over a barrel to get them to lower their price. This isn't a PLD situation where you can wait the player out and trade him later. Chevy will get his price from Montreal. Their media and fanbase are going to put too much pressure on Hughes to get it done to retool and compete for the playoffs again next year. That fanbase is more impatient than any other.

 

[Kendo]

Regarding lines...this would be how I'd do it.
Kreider Zibanejad Lafreniere
Panarin Trochek Kravtsov
Blais Chytil Kakko
Carpenter Goodrow Reaves/Hunt/Cuylle

Id be surprised if Kakko was below Kravtsov but this is what i see as the best lineup right now as Kravtsov has a better shot for Panarin to work with imo

I was thinking:

Kreid Zib Blais
Bread Torch Krav
Kid Line
The Rest

Then you have the option of:
AP MZ CK
AL VT KK
Rookie Chytil Kravtsov
Blais Goodrow A Guy

PP1 and PP2 can be the same either way, technically. That's not bad. Plus some flexibility.

D and G are pretty set, so I'm pretty happy.

 

[mrmovies779]

Would you do Lafrenniere- Schneider - Kravstsov for Tkachuck and a throw in d- man?

Sure..lets throw in Fox and 2 1sts too

 

[Kocur26]

Sure..lets throw in Fox and 2 1sts too

The package I offered is loaded with unproven guys .

A 1st is a legit ask actually.

He had a 104 points last year .

 

[Tob]

Plenty of action left this far into July. Kadri, Klingberg, Taychuk.

 

[Lays]

He has arrived.

Honestly thought they only signed him to show teams he wanted to play in the NHL next season and for them to not worry about his contract status.

Happy to see he’s sticking with us for the time being

 

[EdJovanovski]

#74 will be in the rafters at MSG when all is said & done.

 

[bobbop]

Kreider and Chytil were very effective a couple of years ago when Mika was injured. This just might happen.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Othmann may get his 9 games next year but I don't think its smart to rush him, especially when there's not a clear spot in the top 9 for him. Have we not learned our lesson bringing these kids up too soon? Reaves & Carpenter have 4th line/depth roles that are important to the Rangers.

There's not going to be a spot for Othmann in the top 6 for a while. A while being years.

Top 9 though? With Lafreniere and Kakko in the top six there's no legitimate reasoning to block Othmann from the 3rd line. Goodrow and Blais are not reasons to block Othmann. Especially Blais who hasn't proven anything at the NHL level yet and he's 26 years old already, he's getting treated like a 23 year old rookie with potential for some reason. He has 35 career NHL points, is 26, and is coming off a major injury and hasn't played a game since November. That player shouldn't be blocking anyone. Goodrow should be centering the 4th line. Drury shouldn't have wasted time, energy, a contract slot, or cap space on Carpenter. He does nothing. Literally nothing to improve this team. He is 31 years old and has 69 career points. Guy can't even win faceoffs to save his life 48.2% career. Career -5.2 CF% rel. He's a detriment to his team when on the ice. Drury should have traded for or signed anyone with a heartbeat that could win faceoffs to center the 4th line instead of Carpenter. Carpenter is a Gallant toy from Vegas that's the only reason he was signed. Which means this waste of space is going to be crammed down our throats worse than McKegg and Rooney.

Othmann should 100% get a legitimate look on the 3rd line with Chytil and Kravtsov.

Blais - Goodrow - Hunt

Should be the 4th line to start. Reaves, Carpenter, Gauthier shouldn't touch the ice unless someone is injured. But unfortunately because of Gallant and Drury allowing himself to be bullied by Gallant, Reaves and Carpenter will make up the most ineffective 4th line in the league.

 

[Ola]

That lineup is just awful.Laf and Chytil centering the 3rd and 4th line..what..

For both Tampa cup winners and Pittsburgh’s cup winners the “3rd line” was often their best line.

Lol, I buy the ‘awful’ comment, but I don’t agree that a certain player being on a 3rd line should be an issue at all. Special teams is what matters.

The line-up could be awful if the 3rd can’t deliver. I am 100% certain that Kreider-Ziba-Kravy and Goodrow-Trocheck-Kakko could hold their own against the best teams. I would also bet on that Goodrow-Trocheck-Kakko could become a possession monster line, but until you see them deliver it’s of course not 100%. Laf at center might be ahead of time. Make it Panarin-Chytil-Laf

 

[RangerBoy]

The dust has mostly settled on their offseason, headlined by the signing of center Vincent Trocheck to a seven-year contract last week. The final piece is coming to terms with restricted free agent Kaapo Kakko, and while some fans may be growing impatient as the timeline stretches, there doesn't seem to be any concern about their ability to get a deal done. That's been expressed to lohud.com, part of the USA TODAY Network, by multiple close to the situation, including team president and general manager Chris Drury.

"I’m not too worried about getting him into the fold soon," he told reporters on a Zoom call last week.

A two-year bridge deal is the expectation, with the Rangers motivated to keep the average annual value as close to $2 million as possible. As one source pointed out, every few hundred-thousand dollars is important given their inflexible salary cap situation. That may explain the slight delay, but Kakko remains penciled in for an important role this coming season.

Are other moves possible? Sure. Trade discussions are omnipresent, with Drury noting, "We're always, as I say, looking upgrade wherever we can, whenever we can." But even the most minor move would require cap gymnastics. That's why the GM said "it might be a little too tight" to re-sign speedy forward Tyler Motte, who remained available as of Tuesday evening.

Projecting NY Rangers' 2022-23 roster and lineup: Youth holds key to success

Here is what the New York Rangers look like now that Vincent Trocheck is signed and most of their offseason roster moves are done.

www.lohud.com

$2M is too low for 2 years. $2.3M-$2.4M.

So many players in Kakko's situation are also unsigned.

It's part of the process.

I have been following in the inane prattle going on between the Montreal and Winnipeg people on different boards. Winnipeg doesn't want Guhle and they want a righty. Barron is a righty. Winnipeg has interest in Lundkivist. Arthur Staple wrote the Rangers and Jets discussed Lundkvist at the trading deadline. Staple mentioned Lundkvist would be included in trade talks regarding Dubois. The Rangers signed Trocheck. The Rangers would take Guhle if Winnipeg wants a righty instead of a lefty.

Lundkvist to Winnipeg for Guhle as part of the Dubois trade from Winnipeg to Montreal.

The Rangers could do some nasty things with 3 seasons of Guhle on his ELC.

A defense corps of Fox, Miller, Schneider and Guhle. The Rangers would be very good for a very long time.

 

[GAGLine]

Lundkvist to Winnipeg for Guhle as part of the Dubois trade from Winnipeg to Montreal.

The Rangers could do some nasty things with 3 seasons of Guhle on his ELC.

A defense corps of Fox, Miller, Schneider and Guhle. The Rangers would be very good for a very long time.

I'd take that in a heartbeat. Plus is would be fun to see Montreal piss away yet another good defensive prospect.

 

[OriginalLimbo]

Here's an idea

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Kreider

It's actually starting to make sense to me that Kreider is the one to move over. He's just gonna go in front of the net anyway.

Seems crazy moving a 50 goal scorer, but this has been my thought for a while now.

My first wish would be for CK to bring some gravitas to the 3rd line. His annual disappearing act would not be as impactful.

But, switching sides is absolutely the next best option. His 5v5 game is simple. Skate hard, skate fast, skate straight, go to net. That can be done on either wing.

 

[duhmetreE]

Random thought... You know what makes me feel old.

Barclay Goodrow was born in 1993.

 

[duhmetreE]

Projecting NY Rangers' 2022-23 roster and lineup: Youth holds key to success

Here is what the New York Rangers look like now that Vincent Trocheck is signed and most of their offseason roster moves are done.

www.lohud.com

$2M is too low for 2 years. $2.3M-$2.4M.

So many players in Kakko's situation are also unsigned.

It's part of the process.

I have been following in the inane prattle going on between the Montreal and Winnipeg people on different boards. Winnipeg doesn't want Guhle and they want a righty. Barron is a righty. Winnipeg has interest in Lundkivist. Arthur Staple wrote the Rangers and Jets discussed Lundkvist at the trading deadline. Staple mentioned Lundkvist would be included in trade talks regarding Dubois. The Rangers signed Trocheck. The Rangers would take Guhle if Winnipeg wants a righty instead of a lefty.

Lundkvist to Winnipeg for Guhle as part of the Dubois trade from Winnipeg to Montreal.

The Rangers could do some nasty things with 3 seasons of Guhle on his ELC.

A defense corps of Fox, Miller, Schneider and Guhle. The Rangers would be very good for a very long time.

That's great but why would anyone want Lundkvist over Guhle?

Unless Lundkvist is the Gortons 2022 version of Hajek.

 

[McRanger92]

There's not going to be a spot for Othmann in the top 6 for a while. A while being years.

Top 9 though? With Lafreniere and Kakko in the top six there's no legitimate reasoning to block Othmann from the 3rd line. Goodrow and Blais are not reasons to block Othmann. Especially Blais who hasn't proven anything at the NHL level yet and he's 26 years old already, he's getting treated like a 23 year old rookie with potential for some reason. He has 35 career NHL points, is 26, and is coming off a major injury and hasn't played a game since November. That player shouldn't be blocking anyone. Goodrow should be centering the 4th line. Drury shouldn't have wasted time, energy, a contract slot, or cap space on Carpenter. He does nothing. Literally nothing to improve this team. He is 31 years old and has 69 career points. Guy can't even win faceoffs to save his life 48.2% career. Career -5.2 CF% rel. He's a detriment to his team when on the ice. Drury should have traded for or signed anyone with a heartbeat that could win faceoffs to center the 4th line instead of Carpenter. Carpenter is a Gallant toy from Vegas that's the only reason he was signed. Which means this waste of space is going to be crammed down our throats worse than McKegg and Rooney.

Othmann should 100% get a legitimate look on the 3rd line with Chytil and Kravtsov.

Blais - Goodrow - Hunt

Should be the 4th line to start. Reaves, Carpenter, Gauthier shouldn't touch the ice unless someone is injured. But unfortunately because of Gallant and Drury allowing himself to be bullied by Gallant, Reaves and Carpenter will make up the most ineffective 4th line in the league.

Why are they rushing another first rounder when they dont have to? Throwing guys in before they are ready hasnt gone as planned for the Rangers the last few years. I would prefer Othmann not go back to the OHL but thats more the product of a dumb rule than anything he or the Rangers are doing wrong.

 

[bhamill]

Kravtsov will win the Calder, Hart and Norris next season

What? No Vezina?

 

[McRanger92]

Also, like, I think we're going to see a different Panarin with a center that's going to the net, helping with transition, and covering defensively as opposed to a center that's just mirroring Panarin's every move like a circus chimp, just on the wrong side of the ice.

I think they really nailed the stylistic fit for Panarin to succeed with Trocheck. A center who does what Jesper Fast did. Hopefully Laf, Kakko or Kravtsov can finish the chances on that line

 

[RangerBoy]

That's great but why would anyone want Lundkvist over Guhle?

Unless Lundkvist is the Gortons 2022 version of Hajek.

Winnipeg has depth of the left side. They prefer a righty. If they don’t want Guhle, the Rangers can trade Lundkvist to Winnipeg for Guhle. Gorton acquires Dubois. Winnipeg has expressed an interest in Lundkvist. Gorton will probably need to include one of the young D in the deal for Dubois.

Wiebe answered a question about Winnipeg having depth on the left side and they may try to move Dillon.

 

[McRanger92]

Random thought... You know what makes me feel old.

Barclay Goodrow was born in 1993.

Im turning 30 soon and did not need to see this

Winnipeg has depth of the left side. They prefer a righty. If they don’t want Guhle, the Rangers can trade Lundkvist to Winnipeg for Guhle. Gorton acquires Dubois. Winnipeg has expressed an interest in Lundkvist. Gorton will probably need to include one of the young D in the deal for Dubois.

Wiebe answered a question about Winnipeg having depth on the left side and they may try to move Dillon.

They need to figure out what to do with Lundkvist. Looking like it will have to be a prospect for prospect trade because I don't think they want him to toil away and lose value in Hartford for another half season, and the ship has most likely sailed on making a bi 2 or 3 for 1 trade.