Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVIII

[Ola]

Kravstov has been much better as a LW than a RW. His stats as a RW in the KHL are pretty poor.

Kakko is effective all over so no worries there.

It's also very possible that a permanent move to wing is in the cards for one of Chytil or Andersson, maybe even both.

Tying up that much money (and roster space) is just a bad idea. I'd prefer that they keep both slots open unless they can get a second high pick/someone awesome drops to them for some stupid reason.

Plus its just unnecessary to tie up that much money in guys of that age at the moment.

I’d be a little cautious reading into those stats that much (albeit they are very interesting). I recon that he didn’t just switch sides with the same linemates.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If Boston loses won't we have the 18th pick in the 1st based on the losing teams regular season record?

Negative. To get pick 20 they need:

• Stars to win their series.
• Knights to win their series.

After the above, to get pick 18:

• Canes to make the conference finals.
• Blue Jackets to make the conference finals.

 

[Ola]

Everyone is saying that size doesn’t matter on defense anymore. But I am not so sure about that, but there were many bigger Ds that sucked but got by before they started to really be challenged by smaller forwards. But when you can find a bigger D that can play, I think it will pay off a lot in many situations.

STL will play the winner of NSH/DAL. I would unfortunately be surprised if Dallas could beat STL.

STLs blueline have just totally dominated Winnipeg. People will start to talk about it soon. The size they have is great.

There is talk about Fox. Fox, Pionk and TDA, all are 5’11 right? Then we are connected to this and that smaller LD.

I would be a little cautious about building a blueline of 5-6 Ds around 5’11.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Maple Leafs played the Blues in St. Louis in February. Mike Babcock was talking about the Blues and their D. 5/6 of them in the lineup are long tall guys. They are not overly physical. They are difficult to play against. The Blues have had most of those players for a while and they haven't won anything. The Jets weren't playing well for a while. When the Jets got their game going in game 3 & 4, they looked like they were going to win the series. The Jets have better players but they have been bad for a while. They were a .500 team for the 2nd half of the season. They blew the division. They lost in the 1st round. Awful. Injuries hurt them too in the 2nd half.

The Stars are very similar to the Blues. They weren't a sure bet to make the playoffs. They have been playing playoff hockey for a while. The Stars beat the Blues 3 out 4. Two of those wins came in late February and early March when the Blues got rolling. It's not like the Blues and Jets which played every game in the fall when the Blues sucked. I liked the Blues to beat the Jets. I saw the Stars-Blues March 2 game in St.Louis. The Stars next game was against the Rangers. It as after the trading deadline. I was rooting for the Blues to win so they can challenge for the division. The Stars stomped the Blues.

Hopefully, the Stars can win tomorrow night and advance. They can beat the Blues. Hope everyone picks the Blues too.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Idk I heard that we’ve reached out to Jason Arnott

Ready Arnott, here we go

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Nice. Lots of talk about signing Kreider and Panarin to enormous, long-term deals. Exactly what the dr. ordered to set us back after taking a huge leap forward by winning the lottery.

Right when KK and Kravtsov are entering their primes, we'll be saddled with 2 albatrosses.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Nice. Lots of talk about signing Kreider and Panarin to enormous, long-term deals. Exactly what the dr. ordered to set us back after taking a huge leap forward by winning the lottery.

Right when KK and Kravtsov are entering their primes, we'll be saddled with 2 albatrosses.

It’s like people never learn here

 

[NYRFANMANI]

There is talk about Fox. Fox, Pionk and TDA, all are 5’11 right? Then we are connected to this and that smaller LD.

I would be a little cautious about building a blueline of 5-6 Ds around 5’11.

Agree wholeheartedly. But we can't expect players like Parayko f.ex. to be available often, that kid is a gem and STL got him. Also I'm like not interested in Fox at all, specially if we actually give up anything to get his rights.

Looking at big-size d-men in the draft:

Seider
Broberg
Robertson !
Vlasic ! (huge)
maybe Harley

These are the defensive prospects with big size and projected talent. Early 2nd late first round, we should be able to draft 2 of these kids.

 

[egelband]

I'm feeling pretty confident that neither Kreider nor Panarin are going to be on this roster opening night next season.

Me too. Nothing against either. I'd be thrilled for one or both to be Rangers next year. But I'm feeling Gorton is going to break it down for one more year while getting the young players already in the organization more playing time, development, and experience. The following summer will commence with some loading up, as needed. But my caveat is they probably will/should offer Panarin a team-friendly deal in case he's keen to be part of this project. He'll still be good when contention begins.

 

[pld459666]

I'm in the minority here, but if we are able to get the Jets pick at 20, and trade Kreider for a pick in the 14-16 range, I'm personally of the mindset to keep those picks and not look to move more assets to get into the top 10.

3 firsts in the top 20 with one being 2OA allows us to then hone in on specific players and as we have been talking about over the last year, gems CAN be found outside of the top 5, but you need to have multiple opportunities to get them.

Three last year, three more this year can only help.

I get the rationale for wanting g another top 10 this year, I don't think at all that its necessary

 

[Edge]

I'm in the minority here, but if we are able to get the Jets pick at 20, and trade Kreider for a pick in the 14-16 range, I'm personally of the mindset to keep those picks and not look to move more assets to get into the top 10.

3 firsts in the top 20 with one being 2OA allows us to then hone in on specific players and as we have been talking about over the last year, gems CAN be found outside of the top 5, but you need to have multiple opportunities to get them.

Three last year, three more this year can only help.

I get the rationale for wanting g another top 10 this year, I don't think at all that its necessary

Truth be told, I could live with that and be more than content.

I will admit the Rangers desire to get into the top 10 does align with my own wishes, so it’s easy for me to root for it.

While I think a path will definitely be there if the Rangers can land a mid-teen pick, and especially if Dallas gives them a first, I’m okay with standing pat.

In that scenario, I’d absolutely love to see if we can come away with two of Newhook, Söderström or Caufield.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I'm in the minority here, but if we are able to get the Jets pick at 20, and trade Kreider for a pick in the 14-16 range, I'm personally of the mindset to keep those picks and not look to move more assets to get into the top 10.

3 firsts in the top 20 with one being 2OA allows us to then hone in on specific players and as we have been talking about over the last year, gems CAN be found outside of the top 5, but you need to have multiple opportunities to get them.

Three last year, three more this year can only help.

I get the rationale for wanting g another top 10 this year, I don't think at all that its necessary

It comes down on how you look at it. Do you want 2 more bullets that are (according to draft analysis) less accurate, or 1 more bullet that has a better chance of hitting its mark?

If they can trade into the top 8 and walk away Kakko and one of Zegras/Turcotte/Byram/Cozens that would be huge. Potentially 2/3 of a top line (or a true #1 Dman). In 2 drafts have a top line potential of Kakko-Turcotte-Kravstov.

I think that scenario increases if the Stars make it to the WCF and they get that late 1st.

Ofcourse this is contingent on them actually trading Kreider and a team willing to move a mid-teens #1.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

My view is quality over quantity at this point. Get another top young player to grow and play with Kakko who has a better shot at becoming a significant player in the league. We have the ammo to do so, few if any other teams can say the same. Getting another top 10 pick is a way to accelerate the rebuild.

 

[Vitto79]

My concern w moving Kreider is just having too many kids w not many vets to help

Kreider , Zib would be longterm pieces Imo still ... Vesey , Names and Fast likely gone at the deadline

Strome is still pretty young but who knows how he does next year

 

[Edge]

My concern w moving Kreider is just having too many kids w not many vets to help

Kreider , Zib would be longterm pieces Imo still ... Vesey , Names and Fast likely gone at the deadline

Strome is still pretty young but who knows how he does next year

I tend to believe that finding veterans willing to play in NY, and join an emerging team, will not be an issue.

However, the opportunity to acquire talented, higher potential, cost-controlled, young talent is more challenging and tends to have more limited windows.

 

[Mikos87]

I'm in the minority here, but if we are able to get the Jets pick at 20, and trade Kreider for a pick in the 14-16 range, I'm personally of the mindset to keep those picks and not look to move more assets to get into the top 10.

3 firsts in the top 20 with one being 2OA allows us to then hone in on specific players and as we have been talking about over the last year, gems CAN be found outside of the top 5, but you need to have multiple opportunities to get them.

Three last year, three more this year can only help.

I get the rationale for wanting g another top 10 this year, I don't think at all that its necessary

I'm on this boat. Unless some team higher bites on giving up a top 10 pick for a low return, I just don't see it happening for the Rangers. The currency just isn't there imo.

Take a look at the 2015 draft, there were a lot of good players, 1st unit players taken in the 16-23 slot. Not saying that it's going to happen again where there's 4 guys like that, but you have a good shot at 1, maybe another solid player.

The Rangers have done a fairly good job of accumulating a bunch of defensemen and the forwards are already knocking on the door, so from an organizational depth perspective you are not that far off. The elite talent up front... that can be acquired a couple of different ways. KK being one.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

My concern w moving Kreider is just having too many kids w not many vets to help

Kreider , Zib would be longterm pieces Imo still ... Vesey , Names and Fast likely gone at the deadline

Strome is still pretty young but who knows how he does next year

Same argument was made for Zuccarello. Had we kept Zucc, not only would we be saddled with his horrendous extension, but we also would be sans Kakko.

Look at the James Neal contract, thats a good reason to be gun shy about Kreider.

 

[TheBPA]

Same argument was made for Zuccarello. Had we kept Zucc, not only would we be saddled with his horrendous extension, but we also would be sans Kakko.

Look at the James Neal contract, thats a good reason to be gun shy about Kreider.

Other than also playing wing, Neal is nothing like Kreider. He was already showing signs of being done last year before getting his new contract (which also was signed when he was 30).

 

[True Blue]

1. I reported you as a troll, you blatantly are trolling me with your hashtags

I like to think of myself more as a unicorn

2. Zucc was drafted #1 overall? He was not drafted at all.

You never made mention of where one was drafted. You only made mention of size and what will happen when they take hits in the NHL.

And Zucc is not afraid of hits in fact he hits plenty, while the Hughes brothers are very elusive and hard to hit is some junior leagues, they won't be as elusive in NHL, I saw the highlights of them and it is going to be short and painful NHL careers for those 2 with their brand of hockey.

Is there something pointed out in any scouting report that says that the Hughes brothers are afraid of taking hits?

Also, you never answered my question. Judging by what you post, it seems likely that you would pass on Jack Hughes?Is that right? In fact, let's pretend the Devils take Kakko. Whom do you take?

# WeNeverGetaGoodAnEliteTalent

 

[DutchShamrock]

Putting aside my personal preferences, I'm starting to think Gorton moves Kreider for assets and tries to replace him with a free agent.

For argument's sake, say they land Panarin and trade Kreider. 1st line of Panarin-Zibanijed-Buchnevich, 2nd of Chytil-Strome-Kakko, Kravtsov-Howden-Andersson. Lemieux-Nieves-Meskanen/? Assume Vesey is moved, maybe Namestnikov is upgraded. Not a great line up at all, but its taking shape.

I wonder if Kreider is moved for a right d. Carolina is being undone by their lack of finish, and have extra right d. Colorado is killing teams with speed, the west will want to match it. Columbus will have a few holes to replace and some swagger to load up again, and a wealth of defensemen.

It's hard to predict. I think Nylander goes to Carolina for one of those d after the July 1 bonus. If we miss Panarin, I like the idea of getting Hoffman cheap.

One other random thought. I remember when the flyers got multiple 1st from Nashville for Forsberg, and then one was flipped back for Timonen after the cup run. Strange that Trouba made me think of that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Other than also playing wing, Neal is nothing like Kreider. He was already showing signs of being done last year before getting his new contract (which also was signed when he was 30).

He had settled into basically being slightly worse than Kreider is now.

Kreider's next contract will kick in when hes 29.

 

[TheBPA]

He had settled into basically being slightly worse than Kreider is now.

Kreider's next contract will kick in when hes 29.

Neal was never really a driver of possession. He could score goals but that’s about it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Neal was never really a driver of possession. He could score goals but that’s about it.

Have you seen his possession metrics?

 

[Matt4776]

Have you seen his possession metrics?

Yeah that's absurd. Neal was a phenomenal driver of play.

 

[Fitzy]

Ready Arnott, here we go

Booooooooooooo