Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[bbny]

It’s about the motion in the ocean and Jones is a magnificent skater. I think he brings something that’s missing on our back end, none of our other dmen except Miller are very quick.

It’s borderline criminal that Jones didn’t get a better look this year. Nemeth…Hajek…give me a break.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The pick would be lottery protected if they happen to trade it away I would have to think so I wouldn't worry about this scenario playing out. I don't think you're wrong about them potentially taking a step back though. I hope not but I think it's more of a possibility than we might expect.

Depends on what they do this summer.

If they just tinker with minor moves, it'd almost be more of a surprise if they don't take a step back. Good thing is most of the other playoff teams in their division will too.

 

[Raspewtin]

Big time. Will have to change up the pairings cause I doubt they would ever put Jones with Schneider.

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

or

Lindgren-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Miller-Schneider

Option 1 is what I think would be a pretty good defense.

I like the first option despite we're completely stacking our top pair. We desperately need more puck moving in that top 4 and dropping Lindgren down for it (where he can mentor Schneider) makes too much sense

 

[EdJovanovski]

I think we should get rid of Trouba he is too slow and dumb. He cost us game 3 against Tampa by taking 3 stupid penalties. And pathetically slow backcheck on Stamkos’s go ahead goal in game 6

 

[DanielBrassard]

Depends on what they do this summer.

If they just tinker with minor moves, it'd almost be more of a surprise if they don't take a step back. Good thing is most of the other playoff teams in their division will too.

Well yeah, it obviously depends on what moves they make. In terms of wins and points it's hard to accumulate as many as they did this season, so from that standpoint they will likely take regress. If they can improve in the areas where they were lacking the most then even if they don't win as much it would be a worthwhile tradeoff, as long as they are still a playoff team.

 

[IDvsEGO]

It's partly his fault. He signed Goodrow, gave Reaves an extension a year before it was absolutely necessary, and signed Nemeth to a 3 year deal.

There's justification for Goodrow. He has been a good player for us. And Reaves has been good for this team too, though why he needed to be extended immediately remains an open question. But there is no excuse for Nemeth. There's no justification for giving him a 3 year deal and a limited NTC. Now it may cost us to get rid of him.

Reaves may have been unwilling to uproot his life for a single year and then do it again.

I think we should get rid of Trouba he is too slow and dumb. He cost us game 3 against Tampa by taking 3 stupid penalties. And pathetically slow backcheck on Stamkos’s go ahead goal in game 6

Trouba isn’t slow. He just isn’t fast. He’s a solid skater and reads plays well most of the time. He took the wrong angle of pursuit on the stamkos goal and lost his footing which led to the goal.
You can’t hit the way Trouba does and be slow. You’d never make contact with nhl players if you’re aiming chest/ shoulders. You’d end up hitting knees.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Big time. Will have to change up the pairings cause I doubt they would ever put Jones with Schneider.

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

or

Lindgren-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Miller-Schneider

Option 1 is what I think would be a pretty good defense.

Why wouldn't they put Jones with Schneider? Their playstyles seem suited for each other. Maybe you are right becaus Gallant has an obsession with having bigger defenseman but it would be foolish not to give them a long look.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Depends on what they do this summer.

If they just tinker with minor moves, it'd almost be more of a surprise if they don't take a step back. Good thing is most of the other playoff teams in their division will too.

I mean if the kids pick up where they left off in the playoffs, then we likely take a step forward not back. The problem becomes filling the third line then, which is an easier problem.

 

[Savant]

I think we should get rid of Trouba he is too slow and dumb. He cost us game 3 against Tampa by taking 3 stupid penalties. And pathetically slow backcheck on Stamkos’s go ahead goal in game 6

I mean here is a fundamental issue.

There are big players, there are fast players.

There ARE NOT a lot of big AND fast players. Those players are also generally not available and/or prohibitively expensive.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Reaves may have been unwilling to uproot his life for a single year and then do it again.


Trouba isn’t slow. He just isn’t fast. He’s a solid skater and reads plays well most of the time. He took the wrong angle of pursuit on the stamkos goal and lost his footing which led to the goal.
You can’t hit the way Trouba does and be slow. You’d never make contact with nhl players if you’re aiming chest/ shoulders. You’d end up hitting knees.

I don’t know man he gets burned ALOT, and Reaves had the most hits/60 in the league this season and he hits very hard too, but everyone says he’s slow
I think it’s actually easier for a slow dman to hit like that than a slow forward, because Reaves has to rush on the forecheck and hit the guy along the boards, Trouba just has to cut off the guys angle as he’s skating backward or gliding, it doesn’t really require speed

 

[IDvsEGO]

Why wouldn't they put Jones with Schneider? Their playstyles seem suited for each other. Maybe you are right becaus Gallant has an obsession with having bigger defenseman but it would be foolish not to give them a long look.

I think you’d want to give Jones someone with a little more experience.
Trouba and Schneider played a very similar game, but Trouba is just more comfortable being aggressive at times. Schneider was more passive at playing physical which is a big part of his game.

 

[Raspewtin]

Why wouldn't they put Jones with Schneider? Their playstyles seem suited for each other. Maybe you are right becaus Gallant has an obsession with having bigger defenseman but it would be foolish not to give them a long look.

I think it's a combo of giving Jones a vet to "stabilize" him (I don't think Trouba actually does that but i'm sure it's how it's perceived) and IMO his puck moving would be significantly more helpful in a top 4-ish role than a bottom pair one. Putting a pretty bad puckmover in Lindgren on the bottom pair and an exceptional one in Jones in the top 4 could really help.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don’t know man he gets burned ALOT, and Reaves had the most hits/60 in the league this season and he hits very hard too, but everyone says he’s slow
I think it’s actually easier for a slow dman to hit like that than a slow forward, because Reaves has to rush on the forecheck and hit the guy along the boards, Trouba just has to cut off the guys angle as he’s skating backward or gliding, it doesn’t really require speed

It’s easier to lay hits the way reaves does in terms of speed. Because you can hit someone after they’ve released the puck.
Trouba doesn’t have that luxury.
Also the person moving backwards is always going slower than the person going forward. That’s how skating works.
Its about matching speeds so the forward doesn’t get too far ahead. So yes cutting angles but you have to do it at specific times. Too early and he cuts inside, too late and he has space to cut back.

 

[BBKers]

FORWARDS
First line → LW: Artemi Panarin ($11.643M) • C: Mika Zibanejad ($8.5M) • RW: LW: Chris Kreider ($6.5M)

Second line → LW: Alexis Lafrenière ($925,000) • C: Filip Chytil ($2.3M) • RW: Kappo Kaako ($2.4M x 2)

Third line → LW: Sammy Blais ($1.525M) •C: ??? • RW: Vitali Kravtsov ($875,000)

Fourth line → LW: Tyler Motte ($2M as UFA x 3) • C: Barclay Goodrow ($3.642M) • RW: Zack Kassian ($1 M as UFA after presumed buyout)

Spares: Ryan Reaves ($1.75M); Derek Grant ($1,5M - acquired in trade for Dryden Hunt +)


DEFENSE
First pair → LD: Ryan Lindgren ($3M) • RD: Adam Fox ($9.5M)

Second pair → LD: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) • RD: Jacob Trouba ($8M)

Third pair → LD: Zac Jones ($925,000) • RD: Braden Schneider ($925,000)

Spare: Marc-Edouard Vlasic (as UFA after presumed buyout) or Justin Braun (at $1 M)


NETMINDERS
Starter → Igor Shesterkin ($5.667M)

Backup → ??? (~$1 M)

CAP
ROSTER & BURIED CAP HIT: $74,501,191
DEAD CAP HIT: $3,427,778
CARRYOVER BONUS OVERAGES -
PROJECTED CAP HIT: $77,928,969
SALARY CAP: $82,500,000
PROJECTED CAP SPACE: $4,571,031

The 3C Question?? However Here Still Remains - Be it Tyler Johnsson (uggghhh - via trade - $$ retained), Paul Stastny (UFA), Johan Larsson (UFA), a younger player (traded for Nils+)… or something else?

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think it's a combo of giving Jones a vet to "stabilize" him (I don't think Trouba actually does that but i'm sure it's how it's perceived) and IMO his puck moving would be significantly more helpful in a top 4-ish role than a bottom pair one. Putting a pretty bad puckmover in Lindgren on the bottom pair and an exceptional one in Jones in the top 4 could really help.

All of this is true, no doubt about it. I have a harder time expecting Gallant to play him on the 2nd pairing though than I do him playing with Schneider on the 3rd pairing.

 

[DanielBrassard]

FORWARDS
First line → LW: Artemi Panarin ($11.643M) • C: Mika Zibanejad ($8.5M) • RW: LW: Chris Kreider ($6.5M)

Second line → LW: Alexis Lafrenière ($925,000) • C: Filip Chytil ($2.3M) • RW: Kappo Kaako ($2.4M x 2)

Third line → LW: Sammy Blais ($1.525M) •C: ??? • RW: Vitali Kravtsov ($875,000)

Fourth line → LW: Tyler Motte ($2M as UFA x 3) • C: Barclay Goodrow ($3.642M) • RW: Zack Kassian ($1 M as UFA after presumed buyout)

Spares: Ryan Reaves ($1.75M); Derek Grant ($1,5M - acquired in trade for Dryden Hunt +)


DEFENSE
First pair → LD: Ryan Lindgren ($3M) • RD: Adam Fox ($9.5M)

Second pair → LD: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) • RD: Jacob Trouba ($8M)

Third pair → LD: Zac Jones ($925,000) • RD: Braden Schneider ($925,000)

Spare: Marc-Edouard Vlasic (as UFA after presumed buyout) or Justin Braun (at $1 M)


NETMINDERS
Starter → Igor Shesterkin ($5.667M)

Backup → ??? (~$1 M)

CAP
ROSTER & BURIED CAP HIT: $74,501,191
DEAD CAP HIT: $3,427,778
CARRYOVER BONUS OVERAGES -
PROJECTED CAP HIT: $77,928,969
SALARY CAP: $82,500,000
PROJECTED CAP SPACE: $4,571,031

The 3C Question?? However Here Still Remains - Be it Tyler Johnsson (uggghhh - via trade - $$ retained), Paul Stastny (UFA), Johan Larsson (UFA), a younger player (traded for Nils+)… or something else?

Stop trading Dryden Hunt damn it Lol. But the guy is a good player and he costs nothing. There's no benefit to trading him. He should be in the lineup.

 

[BBKers]

Stop trading Dryden Hunt damn it Lol. But the guy is a good player and he costs nothing. There's no benefit to trading him. He should be in the lineup.

Would prefer Blackbeard then

 

[Fitzy]

Drury may end up going with only two spare players on the roster rather than three to make the cap work.

With BBKers lineup you've got the between 4.5-5.5 million (depending on his Motte hypothetical) for that last center spot, but if you instead assume no Kassian or Grant and Hunt on the 4th line with Goodrow and Motte you've got a lot more.

Motte-Goodrow-Hunt is fine as a 4th line with Reaves as the spare.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

With the growth of KAM, the Rangers top 4 is comparable to any team in the league. The five hole is a bigger problem for Shesterkin than is rebound control, but he's the least of this team's problems.

I said defensive group, not defensemen though, we have a lot of issues with our wingers on the wall getting the puck out and we do seem to have an issue when the puck is in the slot area of making a play to exit the zone for some reason. Whats concerning is that its across the board with us on the walls, from Kreider and Panarin to kids like Kakko, the puck stalls a lot along the walls

I don’t agree with this at all.

Hajek is probably worth a 5-7th rounder.

Gauthier a 3-5th. Remember he’s young, fast, and big. Some team may give him a shot in a top 9 role and value that. Yes, they may wait to see if we non-tender them, but a team like montreal has like 3 3rds and a bunch of picks, might value adding the body over a shot in the dark pick.

Georgiev may be able to get you a couple of mid-round picks.

Gauthier is an AHL player, we have to stop thinking of him in any other way. Hajek needs a change of scenery imo.

 

[huerter]

We are not splitting up Lindgren/Fox and TyJo is playing on the Gilbert line with Panarin. Synergy out the ying yang.

 

[McRanger92]

Trouba isn't going anywhere for 2 years minimum, so it would be best for us fans to appreciate his strengths rather than dwell on his weaknesses. We'll be happier for it.

What Gallant needs to do is limit his time with the puck on his stick. Miller should be the puck mover on that pair, and replace Trouba on PP2.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Trouba isn't going anywhere for 2 years minimum, so it would be best for us fans to appreciate his strengths rather than dwell on his weaknesses. We'll be happier for it.

What Gallant needs to do is limit his time with the puck on his stick. Miller should be the puck mover on that pair, and replace Trouba on PP2.

Splitting miller and Trouba and mixing them w kids would be the better thing. Jones is a better puck mover than miller. And Schneider would pair well w miller.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I said defensive group, not defensemen though, we have a lot of issues with our wingers on the wall getting the puck out and we do seem to have an issue when the puck is in the slot area of making a play to exit the zone for some reason. Whats concerning is that its across the board with us on the walls, from Kreider and Panarin to kids like Kakko, the puck stalls a lot along the walls


Gauthier is an AHL player, we have to stop thinking of him in any other way. Hajek needs a change of scenery imo.

Good point on the puck stalling often along the walls. The wingers very often look to double back and push the puck back down below the goal line to try and reverse the breakout and have the D go behind and go up the other side but often times it just leads to losing the puck and getting pinned in our zone. Many times our wingers would have an easy outlet right in front of them but would either force a bad pass, double back or flat out lose the puck.

This was a huge reason we'd get pinned in our zone for most of the season and it really only improved when we made the deadline deals and now had a player on each line who wasn't on the team earlier in the year. So something needs to be done coaching wise to address this next season.

 

[McRanger92]

Splitting miller and Trouba and mixing them w kids would be the better thing. Jones is a better puck mover than miller. And Schneider would pair well w miller.

I highly doubt Gallant is breaking up either of the top 2 pairs after how well they've performed together the past 2 years. Don't fix what isn't broken.

The defense group is also a non-issue this summer. All we need is a veteran guy to be our #7 and rotate in. Otherwise we have 8 usable guys under contract in their 20s.

 

[Savant]

Starting to feel like Stastny might be the right answer in terms of a free agent