Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[McRanger92]

Who are you trading Lundkvist for that we can afford for more than one season? It has to be a draft pick or ‘another team’s developing young player’. Or do you play Lundkvist on his off side, further diminishing his already low trade value?


There were better returns out there. Plus, that Goodrow contract didn’t write itself.

I've suggested Jack Drury on multiple occasions. Jamison Rees too if we're focused on ELC centers in Carolina. Necas didn't do jack this year, needs a new contract and might not even be a C. In what world is he a good target?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Drury for Nils is a fair-ish trade. Maybe even slightly tilted towards our favor (Dru had a great season in the A.)

 

[Fitzy]

The kids will play more during the regular season next year.

You'd like to see Laf get PP minutes, Kakko and Chytil see more PK time.

Jones and Schneider, if the former makes the team, will grow in their roles depending on performance.

Kravtsov, if he is kept, will probably play top 9 minutes and see PP2 time.


Even if Drury addresses the 2C situation for next season with a move (Be it Strome, Copp, or someone else) I think the regular season is going to be used as a trial period to see what kind of roles the kids can step into next season. That isn't to say that Kakko and Chytil are instantly going to become 20 minute players, but assuming we let guys like Vatrano go, those are new opportunities available. None of the kids were able to embrace a top 6 role and run with it this last season, but every new year of development is an opportunity for progression.

In an ideal world you don't have to shell out a lot more picks for rentals at the deadline, but that will depend on where we are at that point in the season and how everyone is performing.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

One thing I really hope they don't do is give up their 2023 first round pick.

The flat cap and the immovable contracts they have is going to force the NYR to subtract 3-4 pieces off this team and reduce their depth.

Yes, we are all hoping for development of the kids to close the gap. But development is not always linear.

It is hard to envision this team losing several contributing pieces and then overachieving relative to what this group was able to do this season.

Next season IMO could be one (hopefully small) step back to accelerate into 2023-24.

That means there is a chance, albeit an outside chance that the 2023 first is a lottery pick in the Bedard draft.

Giving that up for one year of JT Miller or Kane when the team as a whole will still be depleted relative to the 2022 run seems like a poor investment.

 

[Anthony5967]

Who are you trading Lundkvist for that we can afford for more than one season? It has to be a draft pick or ‘another team’s developing young player’. Or do you play Lundkvist on his off side, further diminishing his already low trade value?


There were better returns out there. Plus, that Goodrow contract didn’t write itself.

There’s literally no sources out there to support he had better offers. If so, I’d like to know what they were. I don’t buy that. Buchnevich needed a new contract. He was an RFA. Teams knew they were approaching a cap crunch. Goodrow added a lot of value to this team and brought a winning element into the room. He’s still youngish too. I have zero issues with that deal. Is it too long? Yes, but who cares. You want to win once with him. That’s your goal. You need those players.

 

[McRanger92]

There’s literally no sources out there to support he had better offers. If so, I’d like to know what they were. I don’t buy that. Buchnevich needed a new contract. He was an RFA. Teams knew they were approaching a cap crunch. Goodrow added a lot of value to this team and brought a winning element into the room. He’s still youngish too. I have zero issues with that deal. Is it too long? Yes, but who cares. You want to win once with him. That’s your goal. You need those players.

Reinhart got traded for a late 1st and a goalie prospect. Arvidsson went for multiple picks (no first rounder) Both comparable players. I cant believe people are still hung up on an unconfirmed rumor of Rasmus Kupari (who is a dime a dozen prospect) and a future 1st as copium to rationalize that Buchnevich didn't have as much value to other teams as they thought.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Necas had a bad season. He sees what Carolina gave Kotkaniemi. What about me? Those offer sheets cause issues in the room. Especially when the player doesn't score one lousy goal in the playoffs.

Necas is a weird looking guy. Its like his face has zero features. He's like a blank create a character when you first boot up the game before you customize him.

 

[MrAlmost]

One thing I really hope they don't do is give up their 2023 first round pick.

The flat cap and the immovable contracts they have is going to force the NYR to subtract 3-4 pieces off this team and reduce their depth.

Yes, we are all hoping for development of the kids to close the gap. But development is not always linear.

It is hard to envision this team losing several contributing pieces and then overachieving relative to what this group was able to do this season.

Next season IMO could be one (hopefully small) step back to accelerate into 2023-24.

That means there is a chance, albeit an outside chance that the 2023 first is a lottery pick in the Bedard draft.

Giving that up for one year of JT Miller or Kane when the team as a whole will still be depleted relative to the 2022 run seems like a poor investment.

This is one of the reasons I think Othmann should go back to Juniors. His contract would slide again and that would be huge for our Cap situation for the 23-24 season.

Also, the Rangers can't seem to develop offense and offensive players all that well so maybe him rounding out his game and developing his offense more in Juniors is better than being in and out of the lineup on the 4th line here.

 

[Avery16]

I've suggested Jack Drury on multiple occasions. Jamison Rees too if we're focused on ELC centers in Carolina. Necas didn't do jack this year, needs a new contract and might not even be a C. In what world is he a good target?

I don’t think Drury is happening. The add that would require is worth more than Lundkvist.

 

[Raspewtin]

unless he looks horrible Jones should really make the team next year. he has the skating and instincts right now to do it and we desperately need someone like him from the backend.

I thought he was NHL ready last year and still don't get why Nils got in over him.

 

[GAGLine]

Drury is in a tough spot. It's not his fault.

It's partly his fault. He signed Goodrow, gave Reaves an extension a year before it was absolutely necessary, and signed Nemeth to a 3 year deal.

There's justification for Goodrow. He has been a good player for us. And Reaves has been good for this team too, though why he needed to be extended immediately remains an open question. But there is no excuse for Nemeth. There's no justification for giving him a 3 year deal and a limited NTC. Now it may cost us to get rid of him.

 

[Anthony5967]

Reinhart got traded for a late 1st and a goalie prospect. Arvidsson went for multiple picks (no first rounder) Both comparable players. I cant believe people are still hung up on an unconfirmed rumor of Rasmus Kupari (who is a dime a dozen prospect) and a future 1st as copium to rationalize that Buchnevich didn't have as much value to other teams as they thought.

Because most of them are insane lmao

 

[NYRKing]

Is FA still July 1st?

 

[GAGLine]

Is FA still July 1st?

July 13th this year. It should be July 1st next year.

 

[McRanger92]

unless he looks horrible Jones should really make the team next year. he has the skating and instincts right now to do it and we desperately need someone like him from the backend.

I thought he was NHL ready last year and still don't get why Nils got in over him.

I like Jones but size is pretty critical on defense, especially in the playoffs. My belief is that Robertson will be Schneider's partner by the end of the year if he shows he's ready.

 

[Savant]

Drury for Nils is a fair-ish trade. Maybe even slightly tilted towards our favor (Dru had a great season in the A.)

Carolina has Drury in their plans for this season. They aren’t trading him unless it’s for an established gamebreaker. They aren’t moving him for another prospect

 

[MrAlmost]

unless he looks horrible Jones should really make the team next year. he has the skating and instincts right now to do it and we desperately need someone like him from the backend.

I thought he was NHL ready last year and still don't get why Nils got in over him.

Big time. Will have to change up the pairings cause I doubt they would ever put Jones with Schneider.

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

or

Lindgren-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Miller-Schneider

Option 1 is what I think would be a pretty good defense.

 

[Savant]

Big time. Will have to change up the pairings cause I doubt they would ever put Jones with Schneider.

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

or

Lindgren-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Miller-Schneider

Option 1 is what I think would be a pretty good defense.

If you are doing option 1 you may as well trade Lindgren

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

People are obsessed with size lol

Adam Fox won the Norris and he’s the same size as Jones

 

[Anthony5967]

People are obsessed with size lol

Adam Fox won the Norris and he’s the same size as Jones

The Rangers can get away with it if they are more physical though. Colorado DOESNT have an overpowering blueline, but they move pucks and have edge. Jones needs to play next year. It has to happen. No reason he can’t partner with Braden either. I want Nemeth off this team.

 

[Savant]

People are obsessed with size lol

Adam Fox won the Norris and he’s the same size as Jones

People on here being obsessed with size is not the issue. The issue is that Drury and Gallant may (or may not, but evidence is suggesting otherwise) be obsessed with size.

 

[Raspewtin]

I like Jones but size is pretty critical on defense, especially in the playoffs. My belief is that Robertson will be Schneider's partner by the end of the year if he shows he's ready.

this feels like a narrative that's been dominant since Tampa won their back to back cups with 6 f***in oak trees on defense. It's just one aspect of it.

Jones, like Fox, is very elusive and works well with very little room. Obviously Jones is significantly less developed and polished than Fox but how can you see what you have if you subscribe to this narrative? And tbh, if Jones is great but we're still miffed about having 3 D below 6' 1", trade Lindgren lol

Robertson hasn't even gotten a cup of coffee yet and the reviews of him in Hartford were pretty mediocre.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I like Jones but size is pretty critical on defense, especially in the playoffs. My belief is that Robertson will be Schneider's partner by the end of the year if he shows he's ready.

It’s about the motion in the ocean and Jones is a magnificent skater. I think he brings something that’s missing on our back end, none of our other dmen except Miller are very quick.

 

[DanielBrassard]

One thing I really hope they don't do is give up their 2023 first round pick.

The flat cap and the immovable contracts they have is going to force the NYR to subtract 3-4 pieces off this team and reduce their depth.

Yes, we are all hoping for development of the kids to close the gap. But development is not always linear.

It is hard to envision this team losing several contributing pieces and then overachieving relative to what this group was able to do this season.

Next season IMO could be one (hopefully small) step back to accelerate into 2023-24.

That means there is a chance, albeit an outside chance that the 2023 first is a lottery pick in the Bedard draft.

Giving that up for one year of JT Miller or Kane when the team as a whole will still be depleted relative to the 2022 run seems like a poor investment.

The pick would be lottery protected if they happen to trade it away I would have to think so I wouldn't worry about this scenario playing out. I don't think you're wrong about them potentially taking a step back though. I hope not but I think it's more of a possibility than we might expect.

 

[Circus86]

I've suggested Jack Drury on multiple occasions. Jamison Rees too if we're focused on ELC centers in Carolina. Necas didn't do jack this year, needs a new contract and might not even be a C. In what world is he a good target?

I agree Drury would be an excellent add. The question is, would the Canes do a Drury-Nils trade straight up? I'm not so sure...

Lots of people say (also Canes fans) that Necas took a step back this year. But he still put up 40 points in 78 games. I think that's solid production for someone who had a bad year.