Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVI

[darko]

Probably like 7 or 8 at least. I think four could be a spot that is tradeable for as well.

14 + Jets pick won't get you #4.

 

[RGY]

Its pretty simple the NYR take Krieders potential per annual salary in a new deal and use it for breadman..so 7million towards breadmans 10million salary then you trade Kreider for RD or top 15 pick in this years draft plus extras. You replace our top left winger with a better left winger and strengthen a weakness for about 3 million more a year. That 3 million extra per year was payment for the assets you acquire from Kreider trade.

Or you trade Vesey and Nams and you have much of Kreider’s next contract AAV. You will still have the space to sign Panarin. You will be shedding $26 million in 2 years. I think they make the move for Fox and get him in here. I think Pionk is part of that deal. Fox and Lindgren have played together. Could be the sheltered bottom pair next year. Smith is your spare utility guy.

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Howden-Buchnevich
Strome-Lias-Fast
Boo, Smith

Skjei-ADA
Hajek-Shattenkirk
Staal-Fox
Lindgren (he wont be a healthy scratch, but could force Rangers hand to move Shatty)

 

[Off Sides]

Agreed. Just trust the process. The rebuild has been here for 1.25 years. To scrap the process, sign UFAs right now to long term deals, rife with NMC/NTC and thrust kids into roles that they are not ready for, would show why this is the least successful franchise out of the original 6 and why "this one will last a lifetime" is a real scare.

No need to rush things. Let the kids develop. The team may well be worse next year than this, which nets another high draft pick. Cannot short circuit the rebuild because of one 17 year old prospect.

I agree,

The process in the last three years led to the Rangers now at #2 in this draft with another 1st, maybe more. 5 1sts in the past two drafts.

And it's not just about collecting 1sts, these prospects some of which fell outside of the 1sts are doing really well in their D+1 and D+2 D+3 years.

Chytil was the 12th youngest player in the whole NHL this season. Lias the 27th, Howden 50th, Lindgren 59th, Hajek 60th.

Georgiev was the 8th youngest goalie and 3rd youngest to play in more than 13 NHL games.

There is not just promise there, there are results and they are just starting to come in.

That says nothing of the ceilings, as big of a proponent as I have been for the rebuild I've shared concerns in that area. This draft should help there, yet for me that does not alleviate all the concerns.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Byram would cost us Zibanejad, blowing a hole down the middle. And who says Byram is a 1D? Most guys who go 4-6 dont come close to playing on the first pair.

Trade Kreider for a position that allows us to take a K-Andre-like prospect. Hopefully ADA, the new kid or one of the 2 first round defensemen last year develop into s first pair guy. Maybe use the Winnipeg pick on another high risk, high reward defenseman.

I think some combination of Skjei, Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Crawford, Keane, Lundkvist, Pionk will turn into very good bottom-4 in their prime. Then you hope ADA, K'Andre or one of this year's draftees can fill up the top pair. The hardest part is still ahead.

I'm confused, if most guys who go 4-6 don't come close to playing on the first pair how is picking someone even later going to fill that void? I'm not trading Kreider for hope. That's silly. If you do trade him, do it for a defenseman currently playing in the NHL or just resign him. Not every player should be traded for futures.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

14 + Jets pick won't get you #4.

Yeah I should have said for immediate help. I don’t think we could get 4 for Picks/Kreider but that Colorado could just have overall interest in trading the pick.

 

[Lundy HOF]

Panarin Zibanestud Buchnevich
Kreider Chytil Kakko
Lemieux Howden/Strome Kravtsov
Andersson Strome/Howden Fast

To me that forward group is a playoff team next year. You’ve got plenty of depth and Strome if he’s not a fluke and needs to move up to play with Kreider and Kakko is going to produce.

The question for me is can you replace Shattenkirk with a better fit for Skjei like a trouba or Myers. If so I think gorton has a playoff team.

I don’t hate it but I don’t think Chytil is ready for 2C duties on a playoff team.

Outside of that defense. Another big time C is what this team needs.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm still interested in what Vegas would want in return for Colin Miller

 

[GAGLine]

As has been mentioned multiple times, even in recent weeks, there a bunch of players still producing at ages 31 and 32 right now.

I am banking on Kreider and is physical attributes to hold strong at the very least 4-5 years into his deal. He has the speed that helped Erik Cole have a long career.

So sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal, not a 7 year deal where the last 2 or 3 years are bad. If he doesn't agree to that, you trade him. It's not complicated.

 

[leetch99]

Quick change of subject here ....but how does our Finn compare to the Hab's Finn picked last season ?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Quick change of subject here ....but how does our Finn compare to the Hab's Finn picked last season ?

he’s twice as good

and kotka is reallllly good

 

[RGY]

So sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal, not a 7 year deal where the last 2 or 3 years are bad. If he doesn't agree to that, you trade him. It's not complicated.

Well thats the thing. Of course i would prefer to avoid 7. I could live with 6. $6.5 per for 6 years.

$38 million for Kreider.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Quick change of subject here ....but how does our Finn compare to the Hab's Finn picked last season ?

Our Finn is better.

Our Finn arguably outplayed theirs at the U18 (where Kotkaniemi saw his big jump) as an under ager.

 

[darko]

Well thats the thing. Of course i would prefer to avoid 7. I could live with 6. $6.5 per for 6 years.

$38 million for Kreider.

We better be holding some Kreider nudes and threaten to leak it.

 

[Kovalev27]

Gotta find takers for Vesey and Namestnikov it shouldn’t be that difficult. But neither should be here next year.

 

[darko]

Gotta find takers for Vesey and Namestnikov it shouldn’t be that difficult. But neither should be here next year.

Keep Names and trade him at the deadline. He's not taking a spot away from anyone.

 

[Kovalev27]

Sure he is

If you keep kreider and sign Panarin. If not then maybe but I’d rather he go now

 

[RGY]

Sure he is

If you keep kreider and sign Panarin. If not then maybe but I’d rather he go now

You could still find a cheaper replacement than Nams even if you dont sign one of Kreider/Panarin.

But they could also keep him and wait. I would like to see what teams would offer for him now.

 

[Beacon]

seems like a couple of centers might need to convert to LW. Who will it be?

We don't need to convert anyone yet. Why do people act like they never watched hockey before? You dont know that 90% of prospects fail to reach their ceiling? Or that guys get injured? Or that trades happen? Who says Kravtsov is a guy capable of playing in a Cup winner's top-6? Not a second liner in the sense of being one of the better 62 RWs in the NHL (which also may not happen), but someone who can be 2RW on a Cup winner, which means being probably a top 100 players in the league in any position. You dont win the Cup by having the 60th best player in his position on the second line, you win the Cup by running line after line that is among the best in the league compared to other teams' equivalent lines.

You win with superstar Zubov on the second pair, Tikkanen on the third line, Nemchinov (who was a borderline 2nd liner on most teams at the time) as your 4C. You win with Malkin on the second line or as your supplemental player on the first. You win with Bobby Holik on the 4th line.

Let the kids marinate. Some will bust like Peter Ferraro, Jeff Brown, Brendl, Lundmark, Jessiman, McIlrath, Sanguinetti. Some will get injured like Cherneski, Blackburn, Cherepanov (RIP). Some will play in the NHL, but wont be great like Sundstrom, Cloutier, Malhotra, Montoya, MDZ. [Everyone I mentioned was a first rounder]

When all is said and done, we will have more holes than plugs. The rebuilding is still in the very early stages. A lot of our great prospects will go the way of Malhotra or even McIlrath.

Trade Kreider, Vesey, Names and Fast in the next 10 months. Trade Staal, Shatty and Smith the season after (when they have very little term). By the summer of 2021, Kakko is still not able to legally buy beer. It's ok to rebuild until then.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

The ironic thing is, if people here had their way and Gorton and co. purposely tanked the season instead of trying to win games at the end, we wouldn't be here making plans for Kakko or Hughes.

The people who run this team know more than we do (95% of the time). A lot more. If they decide to dip their toes into free agency, so be it. If they don't, that's cool too. But the idea that the rebuild has to last x amount of time and not a second earlier is shortsighted. If they decide to keep a few veterans instead of trading them for picks, great. We don't even know how many 1st round picks they're going to end up with yet.

 

[Ola]

I'm still interested in what Vegas would want in return for Colin Miller

I can’t drop the notion of PK Subban.

Will be cheap due to cap hit. His contract runs out as Kakko, Kravy and co’s ELCs are done. If we want, we should be able to resign him by then. And vets that age don’t get paid like they used to, look at Bouwmester just resigning for like 3.5m per. It’s not a shortsighted addition, PK should have 5-6 more solid years in him easily. He is in great shape etc.

There is a heck of a difference for us to add a 3 year commitment compared to a 7 year commitment.

Subban can take the toughest minutes, PK, late game shifts and be the leader on our blueline. Assume a lot of pressure overall. Let Skjei, TDA, Hajak, KAndree and co grow into the league in more suited roles for them.

I am far from sold on that anyone would top an offer of like Pionk and a 2nd and a 3rd in 2020 for Subban. Dump Shatty. Get Adam Fox.

Skjei-Subban
Staal-TDA
Hajak-Fox

Smith as a 7th D/13th forward.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

We better be holding some Kreider nudes and threaten to leak it.

He'll lose negotiations for significantly more. This could wind up being a Callahan scenario.We're talking about a 50-point winger.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I can’t drop the notion of PK Subban.

Will be cheap due to cap hit. His contract runs out as Kakko, Kravy and co’s ELCs are done. If we want, we should be able to resign him by then. And vets that age don’t get paid like they used to, look at Bouwmester just resigning for like 3.5m per. It’s not a shortsighted addition, PK should have 5-6 more solid years in him easily. He is in great shape etc.

There is a heck of a difference for us to add a 3 year commitment compared to a 7 year commitment.

Subban can take the toughest minutes, PK, late game shifts and be the leader on our blueline. Assume a lot of pressure overall. Let Skjei, TDA, Hajak, KAndree and co grow into the league in more suited roles for them.

I am far from sold on that anyone would top an offer of like Pionk and a 2nd and a 3rd in 2020 for Subban. Dump Shatty. Get Adam Fox.

Skjei-Subban
Staal-TDA
Hajak-Fox

Smith as a 7th D/13th forward.

Staal needs to GTFO

 

[True Blue]

stay the course now. kakko is part 1. box checked. draft day will be part 2. then stay the course.

Whoa.....all it took was the Rangers winning the lottery and we suddenly start to agree.....on some things

 

[NJRangers35]

this might be a tough question to answer, but hoping someone can help out. I do not follow anything outside of NHL hockey and am not familiar with draft prospects. How does Kakko project coming out of the draft as these top forward coming out in the past few years? Is his potential higher or lower than the following players when they were coming out of the draft? Thank in advance.

1. MacKinnon
2 Barkov
3. Drouin
4. Reinhart
5. Draisaitl
6. Bennett
7. McDavid
8. Eichel
9. Strome (Dylan)
10. Matthews
11. Laine
12. Puljujarvi
13. Nico
14. Patrick
15. Svechnikov

These are all forwards I rember being very highly regarded going into the last 6 drafts.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

1. Trade Vesey to CAR for Fox

2. Trade Pionk and our 3rd to OTT for their 2nd (32nd pick)

3. Sign EK for 11 mm

4. Extend Kreider at 6.5

5. Smith’s playing career is ended by a rare incident involving a Gerbil or we withhold 1.35 mm, someone will take him for 3mm

In 2 years:

Kreider Ziba Kakko
Lias Chytil Buch
Strome Howton Krav
Lemmy / Nic Dowd? / Barron
Nieves

Skjei EK
Hajek TDA
Miller (Lindgren/Rykov) Fox (Keane/Lundkvist)

Shesty/Georgie