Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVI

[True Blue]

There are some posters think the Rangers are now ready to ‘go all in’. There are those of us who disagree.

They are nowhere near ready. Incubate another year Then there will only be one year left on the 3 Ss (Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith). Cannot be all in with a defense that looks like this.

 

[True Blue]

This has to be said every summer.

Seems like ever summer, people need to be reminded that this isn't EA sports franchise mode.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Kreider is a tough decision. If he is willing to re-sign for a discount then do it for 4 more years. And if some team wants to overpay for him then we can trade him. But we need to trade Shatt and Vesey ASAP.

Vesey isn’t hurting the team if he’s on the 4th line. Shatty has 2 years left. When this team is a legit contender I don’t think either player will be here. Nor will Staal + Smith.

Gorton doesn’t have to force any trades or buy anyone out.

 

[darko]

They are nowhere near ready. Incubate another year Then there will only be one year left on the 3 Ss (Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith). Cannot be all in with a defense that looks like this.

That's right. Doesn't matter how much talent we have up front, we are not going anywhere with that blue line.

 

[DanielBrassard]

They are nowhere near ready. Incubate another year Then there will only be one year left on the 3 Ss (Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith). Cannot be all in with a defense that looks like this.

Smith and Shattenkirk are fine, and Staal doesn't have to play if the coach is smart about it.

 

[True Blue]

That has been some people's position for a while now. They won't characterize it that way, but we have people suggesting we sign both Panarin and EK. I'm sorry, but if you are doing that, the rebuild is officially over. Neither player is coming here to be part of a rebuild and with them on the team, the clock on our window starts ticking. There would be a ton of pressure to win sooner rather than later. Even if we sign just Panarin, it starts the clock ticking because people aren't going to want to waste his prime years.

Agreed. Just trust the process. The rebuild has been here for 1.25 years. To scrap the process, sign UFAs right now to long term deals, rife with NMC/NTC and thrust kids into roles that they are not ready for, would show why this is the least successful franchise out of the original 6 and why "this one will last a lifetime" is a real scare.

No need to rush things. Let the kids develop. The team may well be worse next year than this, which nets another high draft pick. Cannot short circuit the rebuild because of one 17 year old prospect.

 

[True Blue]

Smith and Shattenkirk are fine, and Staal doesn't have to play if the coach is smart about it.

Smith is fine as a 4th line tweener with the other side being an at times 3rd pair defenseman. Shattenkirk is an at best 3rd pairing defenseman who cannot play a lick of defense. Stall can be a third pairing defenseman if his minutes are properly limited. That comprises half your defense. You could have Patrick Roy as a goalie and such a team goes nowhere.

 

[Cag29]

I would continue on the rebuild path.
Let the youngsters develope in their minor league teams.
Turn the Wolfpack into a developmental program to feed the NY Rangers as the play of the youngsters merits it.
Draft Kakko
Hopefully hit in the other gaggle of picksvthat we have.
Avoid any high dollar UFA.
Decide on Kreider if you trade him ask for 2020 assets. That draft is supposed to be better than 2019.
One more tough year. Similar to this one.
Maybe we get another impact draft pick in 2020.
Then in 2021 25 million comes off the books.
Then you go for it with mostly home grown players developing together.
Hopefully getting us a couple Stanley Cups!!!!!’LGR!!!!

 

[offdacrossbar]

stay the course now. kakko is part 1. box checked. draft day will be part 2. then stay the course.

* you've got a potential star forward who may step right in and play and people arent talking much about this but this kid can and has played center. (unless jersey takes kk and then you do have a true future 1C ready to go next yr playing the 2C behind 93)

* you've got kravtsov next season adding youth and skill and another elc forward who can play top 6 minutes at value.

* you have additional picks this yr that are still unknown but if theres a way to draft alex newhook and add him, that can transform this organization. hell be at BC next yr and yr after but then hes heading here.

* you have the progression of buchnevich. chytl and hopefully andersson. howden as well.

* you MUST fix this defense. 76/77/18/22/44 are all here next yr for sure. the others gone. add hajek and a potential return for kreider trade for a top 4 dman who can actually play defense. theres your next yr top 7 dmen. k'andre potentially the yr after. lundkqvist as well.

* hank is nearing the end, enter shestyorkin. add georgie and his ability to play more and hank less and we are good in net. net box checked.

we are heading in the right direction.

lets not get derailed with talk of panarin and EK.

those guys arent the answer now.

stay the course and let this retool take shape.

 

[NYR Viper]

The Lottery helps in many ways but it really shouldn't effect the Rangers plans THAT much this off-season.

Shattenkirk should be moved if possible
Kreider should be moved if possible
At least one of Vesey/Namestnikov/Fast should be moved

The team has young players in Rykov, Hajek and Lindgren who will be pushing for spots on defense next year. There should be no less than 1 NHL top-6 spot available to start the season.

The team also has Kravtsov coming over and he should be in the NHL. Andersson, Chytil, Howden, Nieves all are NHL players. They need to make sure these guys have top-12 slots from Day 1. Kaako is another one if he is the selection.

If no one is traded:

Kreider-Zib-Kravtsov
Buch-Strome-Kaako
Lemieux-Chytil-Namestnikov
Andersson-Howden-Fast
Vesey
Nieves

Staal-DeAngelo
Skjei-Shattenkirk
Smith-Pionk
Hajek
Lindgren
Rykov

This doesn't even include anyone surprising like a Meskanen, Fontaine, Gettinger, Day or anyone else.

Gorton has his work cut out for him and he needs to move bodies for assets.

I will also say that considering the youth on this team I would be on the lookout to add another player or two who can both play the game and doesn't mind standing up for their teammates for the lower lines.

 

[Trxjw]

The only thing that changes for me with Kakko is that I would open up more paths towards quality over quantity. If I can package picks to move up, I'm more inclined to do it. If I can move a prospect and a pick for a good, young NHL player, then I'm less resistant to that.

I hope Gorton pushes hard to get another top pick. Adding Kakko and one of Dach, Zegras, Turcotte or Cozens would have the makings of a franchise altering draft before you made it out of the first round.

Then you let the team marinate for a year and you hope a high 2020 1st is the cherry on top.

 

[charliemurphy]

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Namestnikov - Chytil - Kakko
Vesey - Howden - Kravstov
Lemieux - Andersson - Fast

Where do Strome and Nieves fit? We’re jammed up already.

Since many of the players can play multiple positions, I'm waiting for folks to start posting...

Panarin-Zib-Kakko
Krieder-Andersson-Kravtsov
Chytil-Howden-Buchnevich
Vesey-Strome-Lemieux

 

[charliemurphy]

The Lottery helps in many ways but it really shouldn't effect the Rangers plans THAT much this off-season.

Shattenkirk should be moved if possible
Kreider should be moved if possible
At least one of Vesey/Namestnikov/Fast should be moved

The team has young players in Rykov, Hajek and Lindgren who will be pushing for spots on defense next year. There should be no less than 1 NHL top-6 spot available to start the season.

The team also has Kravtsov coming over and he should be in the NHL. Andersson, Chytil, Howden, Nieves all are NHL players. They need to make sure these guys have top-12 slots from Day 1. Kaako is another one if he is the selection.

If no one is traded:

Kreider-Zib-Kravtsov
Buch-Strome-Kaako
Lemieux-Chytil-Namestnikov
Andersson-Howden-Fast
Vesey
Nieves

Staal-DeAngelo
Skjei-Shattenkirk
Smith-Pionk
Hajek
Lindgren
Rykov

This doesn't even include anyone surprising like a Meskanen, Fontaine, Gettinger, Day or anyone else.

Gorton has his work cut out for him and he needs to move bodies for assets.

I will also say that considering the youth on this team I would be on the lookout to add another player or two who can both play the game and doesn't mind standing up for their teammates for the lower lines.

Don't forget Fox being a real possibility... down the road having:

Miller-Fox
Skeji-ADA
Hajek-Rykov
Lindgren

 

[cheech70]

Its pretty simple the NYR take Krieders potential per annual salary in a new deal and use it for breadman..so 7million towards breadmans 10million salary then you trade Kreider for RD or top 15 pick in this years draft plus extras. You replace our top left winger with a better left winger and strengthen a weakness for about 3 million more a year. That 3 million extra per year was payment for the assets you acquire from Kreider trade.

 

[Beacon]

Kreider to EDM for their #8?

Take Dach/Turcotte/Zegras.... Tempting, if they were to be game

We won't get #8 for him, I'd be happy to get #16 or around there.

 

[Matt4776]

We won't get #8 for him, I'd be happy to get #16 or around there.

I think we'd have a real shot at 13 or 14.

 

[Cag29]

Vesey isn’t hurting the team if he’s on the 4th line. Shatty has 2 years left. When this team is a legit contender I don’t think either player will be here. Nor will Staal + Smith.

Gorton doesn’t have to force any trades or buy anyone out.

Vesey is a place holder.

 

[Cag29]

stay the course now. kakko is part 1. box checked. draft day will be part 2. then stay the course.

* you've got a potential star forward who may step right in and play and people arent talking much about this but this kid can and has played center. (unless jersey takes kk and then you do have a true future 1C ready to go next yr playing the 2C behind 93)

* you've got kravtsov next season adding youth and skill and another elc forward who can play top 6 minutes at value.

* you have additional picks this yr that are still unknown but if theres a way to draft alex newhook and add him, that can transform this organization. hell be at BC next yr and yr after but then hes heading here.

* you have the progression of buchnevich. chytl and hopefully andersson. howden as well.

* you MUST fix this defense. 76/77/18/22/44 are all here next yr for sure. the others gone. add hajek and a potential return for kreider trade for a top 4 dman who can actually play defense. theres your next yr top 7 dmen. k'andre potentially the yr after. lundkqvist as well.

* hank is nearing the end, enter shestyorkin. add georgie and his ability to play more and hank less and we are good in net. net box checked.

we are heading in the right direction.

lets not get derailed with talk of panarin and EK.

those guys arent the answer now.

stay the course and let this retool take shape.

Excellent post

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If they end up getting Arizona's pick...

Where does that one plus the Winnipeg pick potentially put them?

 

[NYRFAN218]

The only thing that changes for me with Kakko is that I would open up more paths towards quality over quantity. If I can package picks to move up, I'm more inclined to do it. If I can move a prospect and a pick for a good, young NHL player, then I'm less resistant to that.

I hope Gorton pushes hard to get another top pick. Adding Kakko and one of Dach, Zegras, Turcotte or Cozens would have the makings of a franchise altering draft before you made it out of the first round.

Then you let the team marinate for a year and you hope a high 2020 1st is the cherry on top.

I’m in the same boat. If we can get one of those Dallas or Tampa picks to pan out into a first, that’d go a long way in terms of packaging to move up in the draft.

 

[RGY]

It isn't hampering us because we are in the middle of a rebuild and don't need the cap space. The same won't be true when we are ready to compete again. Staal had the more debilitating injuries, but Kreider has had his share, and he plays in front of the net a lot and takes a beating. Even if you don't want to compare those 2 players specifically, compare Kreider to all of the 30+ players currently in the league and tell me you can say for certain that he will still be worth that contract in the last 3 years and that it won't come back to bite us.

As has been mentioned multiple times, even in recent weeks, there a bunch of players still producing at ages 31 and 32 right now.

I am banking on Kreider and is physical attributes to hold strong at the very least 4-5 years into his deal. He has the speed that helped Erik Cole have a long career.

 

[MetalJaws]

I like the idea of getting that Buffalo or Edmonton Pick.

They both need depth so bad and we have so much of it. Both those teams are not willing to wait another 2 or 3 years for a guy to come into his own. They want playoffs now and we have the pieces. Problem is getting them to extend and then trade them. 1st year we can even hold salary to let them figure out there own cap issues.

To Edm or Buffalo

Kreider, Names, Fast and a 2nd

for

7th OA or 8th OA

 

[Beacon]

A couple of hours ago I was happy to be patient. Now I want to trade Kreider and some picks to move up and pick Byram and then sign Panarin.

Byram would cost us Zibanejad, blowing a hole down the middle. And who says Byram is a 1D? Most guys who go 4-6 dont come close to playing on the first pair.

Trade Kreider for a position that allows us to take a K-Andre-like prospect. Hopefully ADA, the new kid or one of the 2 first round defensemen last year develop into s first pair guy. Maybe use the Winnipeg pick on another high risk, high reward defenseman.

I think some combination of Skjei, Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Crawford, Keane, Lundkvist, Pionk will turn into very good bottom-4 in their prime. Then you hope ADA, K'Andre or one of this year's draftees can fill up the top pair. The hardest part is still ahead.

 

[darko]

If they end up getting Arizona's pick...

Where does that one plus the Winnipeg pick potentially put them?

Depends on the Jets pick. 14 + pick 20-22 gets you into 8-10 range. If Jets go deep you won't move into top-10.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If they end up getting Arizona's pick...

Where does that one plus the Winnipeg pick potentially put them?

Probably like 7 or 8 at least. I think four could be a spot that is tradeable for as well.