Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVI

[Kovalev27]

6 and 6.5 for CK take him to age 35 and with his wheels and freak athletic build he’ll still be a solid player. He’s a guy I see as having gotten better with age. His net front presence was non existent before he turned 26.

If he doesn’t want that contract you trade him. Otherwise he’s a valuable piece as a first and eventually second line left winger and PP1 net presence. Arguably top 3 in the game there. Slotting him behind Panarin would be a big help as well

 

[Edge]

I really don’t want to make the financial commitment to Panarin.

Personally, I do not either.

 

[GAGLine]

Wouldn’t it make sense to sign a Kreider to help the kids ? Gotta have a descent first line w Zib

Kreider strikes as a player that will hold value

He shouldn’t turn into a Hagelin ,,, Fast , pk , 3rd line dude .... that’s the worry though ?

There are few players in this league who don't regress in their early 30s. Gambling that Kreider will be one of them is very risky. Look back on his season and his production in the 2nd half. It was bad.

I was listening to NHL radio while getting my coffee and they had Dan Rosen on. He talked about the lottery and how it would help renew the rivalry with the devils, then he talked about Kreider. He said he would re-sign Kreider for 4 or 5 years, but wouldn't want to go longer than that. A 4 year deal still takes him to age 33. Let's not forget that he has a year remaining on his current deal, so he would be here for the next 5 years in that scenario. That's plenty of risk already.

If I'm Gorton, I'm going to Kreider and his agent and telling them we'll give you 6.5 x 4 and you can sign the deal on July 1st. Otherwise, we are going to look to trade you. If he wants to be here and wants to help grow this team into a contender, that's the deal he needs to sign. If they are dead set on getting more term, I trade him at the draft.

 

[TheBPA]

To be fair they didn't exactly "wait". There was nobody worth signing to that deal until him.

That’s true. The point was more about the timing. If we wait 2-3 years to then sign a player like Tavares/panarin, we will be in the same situation as the leafs. That wouldn’t be the case if we sign panarin now.

 

[Edge]

Brooks mentioned the get another crack thing, but which team in Zegras & Co’s range is trading their 1st? Chi? Col? LA? Det? Buff?

I think you can rule out everyone except Colorado.

Can’t see them doing Kreider with 1 year left for the 4th, or? Kreider + Boston’s pick? It does start to get pricy, but for Turcotte it’s probably worth it.

If it’s an option, and they pursue it, I’d guess it’s a two-pronged strategy. I don’t think Kreider would go to those teams, but what he returns could be part of a package.

 

[offdacrossbar]

kreider will be available on draft day.

is he moved for an equal value roster player like a top 4 cost controlled dman ?

or is it picks ?

either way, i can envision a scenario where we break camp in the fall and #20 is no longer on the team.

his new contract scare me too. hes just not productive enough for me to invest that much coin.

his value to the team right now is highest if hes moved.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Personally, I do not either.

yep.

the timing doesnt work.

pass.

lets build without the marque FA

 

[Mac n Gs]

It concerns me a bit that our depth does get a little concerning if we move Kreider, especially at LW. Would basically be:
Kravy
Lemieux
Lias/Howden
Chytil as an emergency
Gettinger?

How could we remedy that, if Kreider is moved?

Gusev or Kaprizov

 

[Off Sides]

I don't think Kreider gets them Zegras, Turcotte, etc unless the adds are huge.

I think he may get them one of the picks from a team who has a manger on the hot seat, more in the after #10 range, yet even then I think the Rangers have to add and take back some cap so that team sees a possible opportunity to use that cap space to extend Kreider.

I'd make that deal for say Newhook, maybe for some others who are expected to go past #10, yet the Rangers may have some other prospects in mind they'd take there, or maybe they like someone who they think will still be there with their natural later pick(s)

Expensive UFAs, I think Gorton sees the long game, if he is in charge I don't see him going through the painstaking process of stockpiling just to likely lose a key component or two out of that to an eventual cap casualty.

 

[True Blue]

Is it too late for me to say that I'm Kaapo for Kakkopuffs?

 

[haohmaru]

Is it too late for me to say that I'm Kaapo for Kakkopuffs?

That was truly, truly painful -_-

 

[GAGLine]

The $6.5 million cap hit in the later years of his contract will account for a smaller % of the Team’s cap as the years go by and the upper limit increases.

The same was true of Staal. Are you happy paying him 5.7 mil per year?

 

[haohmaru]

The same was true of Staal. Are you happy paying him 5.7 mil per year?

Signing him to that contract after that injury was stupidity that only the Rangers seem to master.

 

[SA16]

I find giving Kreider a long term deal at this point to be very risky. I would much prefer to trade him, get assets, and then use the extra money on some combination of Panarin/Kapanen/Johnsson

 

[haohmaru]

Stralman and Girardi are UFA's. Maybe we can make a better choice this time.

 

[RGY]

The same was true of Staal. Are you happy paying him 5.7 mil per year?

Its really not hampering us right now. And comparing Staal who had battled more severe injuries imo and plays a different style of game is not comparable either

 

[True Blue]

6.5 mil cap hit until he is 36. Yeah, nothing could go wrong with that.

Many many thing could go wrong with that, but he will still be able to be a net front presence and work well along the boards. As well as provide leadership. 6x$6.5 is not outrageous for him. Not saying there are no worries. That is not it.

 

[True Blue]

That was truly, truly painful -_-

Yeah.....I got nothing

 

[True Blue]

He's good but generational types are perennial Norris trophy candidates. I don't that's McAvoy.

People use that term way to loosely.

 

[Kovalev27]

Panarin Zibanestud Buchnevich
Kreider Chytil Kakko
Lemieux Howden/Strome Kravtsov
Andersson Strome/Howden Fast

To me that forward group is a playoff team next year. You’ve got plenty of depth and Strome if he’s not a fluke and needs to move up to play with Kreider and Kakko is going to produce.

The question for me is can you replace Shattenkirk with a better fit for Skjei like a trouba or Myers. If so I think gorton has a playoff team.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lol in a world where you get Panarin, it would be dumb not to line him on the opposite wing of Kravstov.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Where do we think Knight goes as far as draft number? 15, give or take? I think the best avenue to jump up is identify a high team that would really like to draft him. Detroit? Arizona? Vancouver? Minnesota?

Thats way too high for Detroit to take him. Would they drop down to the high teens, recoup some assets and select a franchise goalie? Vancouver has some nice pieces in place backstopped with Markstrom. There could be an intriguing path here.

Take the Winnipeg 1st and, God willing, the Dallas or TB 1st and get to 14. Then package 14 with a 2nd or whatever is reasonable (this is not my forte), jump to 10 and take a center.

A goalie starved team at the top will be in a pickle, and they would have the best case for dropping.

 

[Dijock94]

Panarin Zibanestud Buchnevich
Kreider Chytil Kakko
Lemieux Howden/Strome Kravtsov
Andersson Strome/Howden Fast

To me that forward group is a playoff team next year. You’ve got plenty of depth and Strome if he’s not a fluke and needs to move up to play with Kreider and Kakko is going to produce.

The question for me is can you replace Shattenkirk with a better fit for Skjei like a trouba or Myers. If so I think gorton has a playoff team.

We also take ourselves out of the lottery next year in an apparently insane draft. I would love to try to do one more year going for a high pick instead of being a middling bubble team, but that’s just me.

 

[True Blue]

I really don’t want to make the financial commitment to Panarin.

Is the sentiment this morning is to scrap the rebuild, Kravstov & Kappo will be here to be difference makers next year, time to load up on contracts with Trouba & Panarin? Not yours, just in general? Just trying to catch up?

Why not let the kids grow up normally and not presume that they will immediately slide into top 6 roles? Why not tie allow yourself for cap maneuverability in the future? Landing Kappo and bringing Kravstov over means exactly nothing right now. What can be done is that they can be rushed and that would not be a good thing.

 

[True Blue]

Assuming Krav and Kakko step into the NHL and Lias and Chytil having regular jobs, emergence of Lemmy, we have too many Fs now, especially middle 6 types.

You cannot simply make such an assumption. Simply stating that Kravstov and by next year an 18 year old Kakko can immediately step in and be top 6 forwards is setting your self up for possible disappointment. And while Andersson and Chytil can take steps forward, you have no idea of how much.