Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVI

[GAGLine]

What’s the age cutoff on contracts sliding again? Let’s say we sign Kravtsov with a khl out and let him go back to Russia for a year. Does that burn the 1st year of the elc even if he doesn’t play 10 games?

Kravtsov has no slide eligibility left, regardless of how many NHL games he plays. He will be 20 in December. Only age 18 and 19 players can slide, and he will be age 20 based on the way the ages are calculated.

 

[GAGLine]

And I am saying to re-sign him.

Also, if we dont sign Panarin, then I have no interest in other high priced free agents. Not big on EK because i dont think his body holds up. Duchene contract has disaster written all over it.

Panarin or bust.

And by bust, I mean we go sign a cheap vet for the 3rd line 2nd line tweener role.

How much and for how many years are you re-signing Kreider?

 

[RGY]

Kreider's next contract scares me.

Really depends on what the numbers are.

Max is $7 million per for me. But i dont think he deserves more than $6.5 given the timeline of his career. Not consistent enough.

Present $6.5 mil over 7 years. And name him Captain.

He will make some money in endorsements in NY

 

[darko]

Really depends on what the numbers are.

Max is $7 million per for me. But i dont think he deserves more than $6.5 given the timeline of his career. Not consistent enough.

Present $6.5 mil over 7 years. And name him Captain.

He will make some money in endorsements in NY

If he makes it to the market I think he gets 7/56.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Something like 8/64 for Trouba isn't really an issue. It's trading for him. I don't think Kreider alone gets us Trouba.

I don’t think they’d be using Kreider to get Trouba. I think @Edge hit upon what could happen - they could use him to get, Florida’s or Arizona’s 1st, then try to move up and get either Zegras or Dach. Trouba would be a different deal, perhaps involving Skjei as a focal point.

 

[SA16]

Some people just can’t appreciate nice things.

Also, not to keep going back to this, but Toronto is having these “issues” exactly because they waited until last summer to sign a guy like Tavares. Marner was drafted in 2015, Mathews in 2016. They waited 2 more years to sign a guy like Tavares and are now paying them all top dollar at current market rates.

If the rangers sign panarin this summer (not saying it’s a good or bad idea), they will be paying him a top market rate now, but it won’t be a top market rate when kakko/kravtsov come due for their second contracts anyway.

To be fair they didn't exactly "wait". There was nobody worth signing to that deal until him.

 

[The don godfather]

Rebuilding is a multi-process endeavor.

The tanking process ended the second we got the ping pong ball we wanted. Why? The assets on your team are hurt by tanking, but you gain assets by getting higher draft picks. With the way the lottery is designed, there is no way it’s worth gunning to be 28-29 instead of where ever we end up, unless we really are trying to lose. After the deadline it might change a bit if you are out of it. Remember, this certainly does not mean that we won’t finish low or get a high pick again. So many of the worst teams in this league didn’t try to suck. Sure we are positive now, but we aren’t immune to that.

Many think so, but those expectations are way out of the ball park. There has never been a quick successful rebuild in this league without a team getting a mega generational talent. Sure we can be the first and start to make the POs in a couple of years and be a contender and 3-4, it’s not impossible, but Gorts and Quinn certainly got their work cut out for them. Is Boston an example of a fast smooth rebuild? But did they really rebuild?

HOWEVER, the only making asset positive moves is certainly not over. Manage cap space. Do not sign players to bad deals to short term gain. Trade players rather than sign contracts that won’t help us more than they cost us. I wonder if that phase ever should be over. Trading 1st for rentals etc.

Building a team the right way, that shouldn’t be over.

Bruins got lucky when they got the best player in the 2014 nhl draft 25th overall and the best defenceman with the 14th overall pick 2016 nhl entry draft. Generational talent picks.

 

[GAGLine]

Really depends on what the numbers are.

Max is $7 million per for me. But i dont think he deserves more than $6.5 given the timeline of his career. Not consistent enough.

Present $6.5 mil over 7 years. And name him Captain.

He will make some money in endorsements in NY

6.5 mil cap hit until he is 36. Yeah, nothing could go wrong with that.

 

[darko]

Bruins got lucky when they got the best player in the 2014 nhl draft 25th overall and the best defenceman with the 14th overall pick 2016 nhl entry draft. Generational talent picks.

Both are very good players but neither is a generational type player. Especially McAvoy.

 

[darko]

6.5 mil cap hit until he is 36. Yeah, nothing could go wrong with that.

This.

 

[Edge]

I don’t think they’d be using Kreider to get Trouba. I think @Edge hit upon what could happen - they could use him to get, Florida’s or Arizona’s 1st, then try to move up and get either Zegras or Dach. Trouba would be a different deal, perhaps involving Skjei as a focal point.

If we’re talking super aggressive (regardless of my personal opinions) you move Kreider and get that second home run swing - let’s say there is indeed a path that leads to Zegras.

Then you separately go out and pursue a guy like Trouba via trade.

Then you go out and make a hot pursuit of Panarin.

You lose Kreider, Skjei, and the quality of picks, and then a little more.

You add Kakko, Trouba, Panarin and Zegras.

Things still need work, but you’ve definitely picked a direction.

 

[The don godfather]

Both are very good players but neither is a generational type player. Especially McAvoy.

Have you seen him he's like drew doughty with a mean steak. Put 30 points like in 50 games only this year. Only 21 right now. I predict norris trophy soon for this kid.

 

[Vitto79]

Wouldn’t it make sense to sign a Kreider to help the kids ? Gotta have a descent first line w Zib

Kreider strikes as a player that will hold value

He shouldn’t turn into a Hagelin ,,, Fast , pk , 3rd line dude .... that’s the worry though ?

 

[Ola]

It concerns me a bit that our depth does get a little concerning if we move Kreider, especially at LW. Would basically be:
Kravy
Lemieux
Lias/Howden
Chytil as an emergency
Gettinger?

How could we remedy that, if Kreider is moved?

 

[Ghost of jas]

If we’re talking super aggressive (regardless of my personal opinions) you move Kreider and get that second home run swing - let’s say there is indeed a path that leads to Zegras.

Then you separately go out and pursue a guy like Trouba via trade.

Then you go out and make a hot pursuit of Panarin.

You lose Kreider, Skjei, and the quality of picks, and then a little more.

You add Kakko, Trouba, Panarin and Zegras.

Things still need work, but you’ve definitely picked a direction.

I really don’t want to make the financial commitment to Panarin.

 

[darko]

Have you seen him he's like drew doughty with a mean steak. Put 30 points like in 50 games only this year. Only 21 right now. I predict norris trophy soon for this kid.

He's good but generational types are perennial Norris trophy candidates. I don't that's McAvoy.

 

[darko]

Wouldn’t it make sense to sign a Kreider to help the kids ? Gotta have a descent first line w Zib

Kreider strikes as a player that will hold value

He shouldn’t turn into a Hagelin ,,, Fast , pk , 3rd line dude .... that’s the worry though ?

Can you see Kreider being worth 7-8 mill at ages 33-34-35-36?

 

[Ghost of jas]

It concerns me a bit that our depth does get a little concerning if we move Kreider, especially at LW. Would basically be:
Kravy
Lemieux
Lias/Howden
Chytil as an emergency
Gettinger?

How could we remedy that, if Kreider is moved?

That’s a short term concern, which can be remedied with a placeholder.

 

[The don godfather]

He's good but generational types are perennial Norris trophy candidates. I don't that's McAvoy.

Will see only 21 and plays a man's game right now and putting up steady points. I believe he has the most points as a defenceman in the 2016 nhl draft and has played fewer games then others in that draft class. Norris trophy not out of the question.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Assuming Krav and Kakko step into the NHL and Lias and Chytil having regular jobs, emergence of Lemmy, we have too many Fs now, especially middle 6 types.

#2 has put me in the hold off on Panarin camp, we’re going to have to move either Names, Strome, or Vesey. I would trade Vesey to move up somewhere or perhaps for Or even Poolparty if his injury isn’t career threatening.

 

[Ola]

If we’re talking super aggressive (regardless of my personal opinions) you move Kreider and get that second home run swing - let’s say there is indeed a path that leads to Zegras.

Then you separately go out and pursue a guy like Trouba via trade.

Then you go out and make a hot pursuit of Panarin.

You lose Kreider, Skjei, and the quality of picks, and then a little more.

You add Kakko, Trouba, Panarin and Zegras.

Things still need work, but you’ve definitely picked a direction.

Brooks mentioned the get another crack thing, but which team in Zegras & Co’s range is trading their 1st? Chi? Col? LA? Det? Buff?

I think you can rule out everyone except Colorado.

Can’t see them doing Kreider with 1 year left for the 4th, or? Kreider + Boston’s pick? It does start to get pricy, but for Turcotte it’s probably worth it.

 

[Ola]

That’s a short term concern, which can be remedied with a placeholder.

Yeah for sure, I was just wondering which options is out there?

 

[RGY]

This.

The $6.5 million cap hit in the later years of his contract will account for a smaller % of the Team’s cap as the years go by and the upper limit increases.

 

[haohmaru]

Really depends on what the numbers are.

Max is $7 million per for me. But i dont think he deserves more than $6.5 given the timeline of his career. Not consistent enough.

Present $6.5 mil over 7 years. And name him Captain.

He will make some money in endorsements in NY

Panarin / Kreider is an either or not a both.

And, Zibby for the "C", IMHO.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yeah for sure, I was just wondering which options is out there?

Buch and Chytil can both move to LW.