Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVI

[NYRKING30]

Yeah you have people like Boomer Esaison declaring the rebuild over already lol.

 

[RGY]

If Kakko AND Kravtsov are due to make $10m+ after their ELCs then that's a good thing and means we've been contenders for atleast a couple years… Can't use that as a reason to not sign Panarin this summer, that's deeply flawed reasoning.

100% was what I was thinking. Its a good problem to have. A great problem to have. It means you have 3 elite forwards. If you need to, you move out someone else and fill in with a younger forward on an ELC, just as TBL have done. Key is drafting and not trading your picks.

Having Kakko only enhances the reasoning to sign Panarin.

Move out Vesey and Nams salaries to clear room to sign Panarin and re-sign Kreider. They have $26 million off the books in 2 seasons. More salary relief on the way.

Also, as much as I like Kravtsov, I dont see him getting $10 million in his second contract.

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Strome-Howden-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Lias-Fast
Boo

Now that is a DEEP forward group. This team was resilient this year under Quinn. They played hard all year. Add Panarin, Kravtsov, and Kakko to that.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

What is a reasonable contract? We are still looking at 9/7 and that would be a pretty big discount.

Panarin is getting double digits.

Anything under $11m is reasonable.

 

[Doctyl]

Hope now is for Chytil/Lias to take a big step forward, Krafts to transition well, and Buch to play like he ended the season and never look back.

Looking at some highlights Kakko looks like a Rick Nash who actually uses his body. He had better numbers than Laine in his draft year. This is really exciting.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Hope now is for Chytil/Lias to take a big step forward, Krafts to transition well, and Buch to play like he ended the season and never look back.

Looking at some highlights Kakko looks like a Rick Nash who actually uses his body. He had better numbers than Laine in his draft year. This is really exciting.

hes like barkov.

thats scary

 

[haohmaru]

If Kakko AND Kravtsov are due to make $10m+ after their ELCs then that's a good thing and means we've been contenders for atleast a couple years… Can't use that as a reason to not sign Panarin this summer, that's deeply flawed reasoning.

Not wanting to pay anyone is deeply flawed reasoning.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Not wanting to pay anyone is deeply flawed reasoning.

Exactly

 

[DutchShamrock]

If Kakko AND Kravtsov are due to make $10m+ after their ELCs then that's a good thing and means we've been contenders for atleast a couple years… Can't use that as a reason to not sign Panarin this summer, that's deeply flawed reasoning.

Matthews and Marner are going to make $11m+, they have been modest contenders 2 years, and they could really use that cap space that went to recent free agents.

No cup and they have to walk away from some young, effective players no doubt because of cap issues. A pair of 1st round exits. No one could ask for a more successful pair of young players than in Toronto. But it still doesn't translate to immediate team success. It's not flawed thinking.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

In 4 offseasons the cap will likely be around $100MM, unless there is another lockout and something changes.

 

[offdacrossbar]

if you can reasonably expect KK to play here next season and make an impact in a top 6 role, then here's what i would do. i would accelerate the rebuild and start thinking in terms of now rather than later. its not 3-5 yrs, it can be 1-3 yrs.

hope the playoffs turn out like we need them to. we need those picks to use as leverage.

bundle picks and move up for another high impact CENTERMAN who can play right away or very soon.

or use picks to add roster payers who will fill holes.

cozens or dach or NEWHOOK should be the next targets. MOVE UP

move CK not for picks but for a top 4 legit defenseman who can slot into play top minutes. dont want more picks for kreider. fix the defense and use CK to do so.

hajek next year and miller soon will help. shesty too.

hope kravtsov and KK together can play major minutes on their ELCs

next year will be difficult but let the kids play. develop the kids.

were one year away from being legit.

 

[Leetch3]

I think patience needs to apply.

Primes of the players is what I'm interested in. I do not expect their best prospects to hit them until they have at least one, if not more like three nearly full NHL seasons to their credit. 2021 and beyond.

I think they'll likely add some toughness, cheap short term toughness as that develops, much as they did this past year while their own more internally grown toughness emerges. Would not be surprised to see some non 1st round picks this and next year used on prospects who show some of that trait as long as they can play too, similar to claude’s kid.

Well sure if you want to take the route of being smart and rational instead of overreacting to something going our way I guess so

 

[donpaulo]

Just gonna throw his name out there, but with all the Panarin talk about the place.

How about Jeff Skinner ? This kid just kills the Rangers

 

[darko]

Yeah you have people like Boomer Esaison declaring the rebuild over already lol.

Lol. Far from over.

 

[RGY]

Matthews and Marner are going to make $11m+, they have been modest contenders 2 years, and they could really use that cap space that went to recent free agents.

No cup and they have to walk away from some young, effective players no doubt because of cap issues. A pair of 1st round exits. No one could ask for a more successful pair of young players than in Toronto. But it still doesn't translate to immediate team success. It's not flawed thinking.

Who said anything about walking away from players? They havent made any decisions yet. Nothing has happened.

So then what? You dont sign your two young stars because you dont want to spend the money? The cap has been going up each year. And even with giving Matthews his contract, before that they added Marleau and then Tavares. They have saved money at the goaltending position. They re-signed Nylander. Their defense is lacking beyond Reilly, but who was out there to sign? I mean they added Muzzin. They have some young guys they were banking on.

After the season they will figure Marner out. Even if it means dealing Nylander, but they likely had to explore that anyway to add a defender. They are deep at forward because they accumulated a lot of assets. They can move Nylander and something else to add someone like Trouba. Who knows. Or a younger cheaper defender.

You sign Panarin. You re-sign Kreider. You cant worry about what Kakko and Kravtsov will get in 3 years in their next contract. You have no idea what they will be worth. And at that time, the cap will likely have gone up coupled with $26 million coming off the books from Smith-Staal-Shatty-Hank. Move out Vesey and Namestnikov and you have Kreider’s money.

 

[BB88]

There's lot of Panarin talk and I've followed this more from the Florida side, but what do you expect to be the sell from the Rangers to Panarin if they go after him?

Florida has Barkov- Dadonov- Q with other things to sell him with.

 

[darko]

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Names-Chytil-Kakko
Strome-Howden-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Lias-Fast
Vesey

Skjei/TDA
Staal/Shatty
Hajek/Lindgren
Pionk, Rykov

Hank/Georgie

I'd be happy to go with something like this next season. That team is still 6-10 unless Krava and Kakko put up 60+ point seasons and guys like Hajek/Lindgren establish themselves as top-4.

 

[cheech70]

100% was what I was thinking. Its a good problem to have. A great problem to have. It means you have 3 elite forwards. If you need to, you move out someone else and fill in with a younger forward on an ELC, just as TBL have done. Key is drafting and not trading your picks.

Having Kakko only enhances the reasoning to sign Panarin.

Move out Vesey and Nams salaries to clear room to sign Panarin and re-sign Kreider. They have $26 million off the books in 2 seasons. More salary relief on the way.

Also, as much as I like Kravtsov, I dont see him getting $10 million in his second contract.

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Strome-Howden-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Lias-Fast
Boo

Now that is a DEEP forward group. This team was resilient this year under Quinn. They played hard all year. Add Panarin, Kravtsov, and Kakko to that.

Nice lineup....Kreider is odd man out along with Brady(our depth on left side) are the assets to solidify our right defense(along with picks) or move up in draft for zegras. Imagine Adam Fox and Trouba on defense. Sign DZingel to play on 3rd line.

We are deep on right wing can KKid(Kakko or Krav) play the left wing?

Kakk-Zib-Buch
Breadman-Filip-Kravtsov
Strome-Howden -Dizingel
Lemiux-Lias-Fast

Trouba-Hayek
ADA-Rykov
Fox-Staal

 

[TheBPA]

Let’s say tampa wins the cup giving us 3 first round picks. After the 2019 draft do we have the best prospect group in the league? I don’t follow every other team’s prospects in the league but I have to think it would be close.

 

[darko]

Let’s say tampa wins the cup giving us 3 first round picks. After the 2019 draft do we have the best prospect group in the league? I don’t follow every other team’s prospects in the league but I have to think it would be close.

Hard to say since Howden, Chytil and Lias will graduate.

 

[Edge]

Hard to say since Howden, Chytil and Lias will graduate.

Yeah the wording can get tricky.

Maybe it's something along the lines of most promising group of players under the age of 23, or something of that nature.

 

[TheBPA]

Yeah the wording can get tricky.

Maybe it's something along the lines of most promising group of players under the age of 23, or something of that nature.

Agreed, I was thinking more along those lines instead of the old HF prospects definition.

 

[Irishguy42]

Imagine complaining about the second contracts for players who haven't even signed their ELCs yet.

Amazing.

 

[Edge]

Agreed, I was thinking more along those lines instead of the old HF prospects definition.

Our post-draft potential reminds me of that 1990/1991 timeframe.

You had guys like Amonte, Weight, Kovalev, Zubov, etc. in the system, but you also players like Leetch and Turcotte, who were 22/23 at the time. Not prospects, but still young players.

Even Richter was in the same ballpark as Georgiev/Shesterkin.

 

[RGY]

Nice lineup....Kreider is odd man out along with Brady(our depth on left side) are the assets to solidify our right defense(along with picks) or move up in draft for zegras. Imagine Adam Fox and Trouba on defense. Sign DZingel to play on 3rd line.

We are deep on right wing can KKid(Kakko or Krav) play the left wing?

Kakk-Zib-Buch
Breadman-Filip-Kravtsov
Strome-Howden -Dizingel
Lemiux-Lias-Fast

Trouba-Hayek
ADA-Rykov
Fox-Staal

I do not believe they need to move Kreider. They can move other assets, such as packaging picks to move up IF they want to. They may want to stock more players.

Fox will not cost them Kreider or Skjei.

Where does Shattenkirk go? He wont be able to move. He has a NMC with a team list. He isnt cheap. His game has regressed.

You have Fox at LD but he is a RD.

Do not see Trouba has a huge upgrade from Skjei. They have very similar NHL time and statistics, the big difference being is Skjei has been on a dumpster fire of a team the last two seasons. I give just as much shit as anyone because i dont think he is all that smart, but he has been asked to play top pairing minutes when he is not suited for it. And last year in a non existent defensive system. Everyone loves Trouba, but he makes his mistakes too on the ice.

Cant assume Hajek will make it. Certainly cant assume Rykov will.

I think it is more likely they sign a stop gap veteran defenseman like Stralman, while they let their young defenseman continue to develop. Lindgren, Rykov, Miller, Keane, Lundkvist, Reunanen, Gross. And whomever they draft this year.

 

[TheBPA]

Imagine complaining about the second contracts for players who haven't even signed their ELCs yet.

Amazing.

Some people just can’t appreciate nice things.

Also, not to keep going back to this, but Toronto is having these “issues” exactly because they waited until last summer to sign a guy like Tavares. Marner was drafted in 2015, Mathews in 2016. They waited 2 more years to sign a guy like Tavares and are now paying them all top dollar at current market rates.

If the rangers sign panarin this summer (not saying it’s a good or bad idea), they will be paying him a top market rate now, but it won’t be a top market rate when kakko/kravtsov come due for their second contracts anyway.