Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVI

[Off Sides]

I think the sights set for a move up using Kreider alone are a bit too high.

From that teams perspective, the only one year term is off putting and they can not sign anything official until after the draft, July 1st if he wants to see what this UFA market does a year before his market could even happen

I think if the Rangers are going to deal him for a earlier pick, say 9-15 or so range, they are going to have to add some hedge to that teams gamble.

 

[Greg02]

A couple of hours ago I was happy to be patient. Now I want to trade Kreider and some picks to move up and pick Byram and then sign Panarin.

 

[Avery16]

This is when folks that were on the fence about Panarin start to reconsider getting him into the mix. Getting a kid like Kakko changes everything... full steam ahead with what seems like a promising and quick rebuild

Not this one. Quite the opposite.

 

[bobbop]

With Kravtsov and #1 coming in next year, there’s really no room for Vesey in the top 9. Namestnikov is borderline but he does have added value as a penalty killer and disruptive force. I expect Vesey to be first out of town and if and when a deal is sealed for Adam Fox, Pionk is probably next. Smith gets bought out. We’ll have to see what happens with Kreider and Panarin. Beyond that I’d expect minimal churn unless GMJG can figure out a way to get Trouba out of Winnipeg.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Both Kakko and Kravtsov are mainly RW, I have a feeling we might trade down

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Both Kakko and Kravtsov are mainly RW, I have a feeling we might trade down

One isn’t enough



You’re as predictable as the sun.

 

[Edge]

Both Kakko and Kravtsov are mainly RW, I have a feeling we might trade down

I’ll venture a guess that any internal conversations might be centered around whether they can find a second path into the top 10, versus whether the crew would rather have multiple kicks at the can later in the draft.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I’ll venture a guess that any internal conversations might be centered around whether they can find a second path into the top 10, versus whether the crew would rather have multiple kicks at the can later in the draft.

I agree, but what if Kaapo is not their cup of tea and they wanted somebody in the 4-7 range maybe they trade down to Kings to get their 2 1st rounders?

 

[JC704]

I wouldn't trade Kreider. I'd definitely work out a contract extension with him. He will likely start declining a bit at 31/32, but if they can re-up him for 4/5 years, I think that is a good deal for the organization. You still need players like him to win.

 

[Tob]

With Kravtsov and #1 coming in next year, there’s really no room for Vesey in the top 9. Namestnikov is borderline but he does have added value as a penalty killer and disruptive force. I expect Vesey to be first out of town and if and when a deal is sealed for Adam Fox, Pionk is probably next. Smith gets bought out. We’ll have to see what happens with Kreider and Panarin. Beyond that I’d expect minimal churn unless GMJG can figure out a way to get Trouba out of Winnipeg.

Getting an elite talent to make Vesey expendable immediately is the real prize.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Trade Vesey or Namestnikov for Fox
Trade Shattenkirk for 2nd rounder
Trade Namestnikov for a 3rd rounder + 7th rounder

 

[Edge]

I agree, but what if Kaapo is not their cup of tea and they wanted somebody in the 4-7 range maybe they trade down to Kings to get their 2 1st rounders?

I am going to spitball that there’s probably no deal or combination of picks that will inspire the Rangers to move down from 2.

Now, had they landed the third pick? I think that would’ve been a possibility.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Which of Kakko or Kravtsov do you guys think would be better suited moving to center?

 

[Edge]

Which of Kakko or Kravtsov do you guys think would be better suited moving to center?

I think both are wingers. But if I had to slide one over, it’d probably be Kakko.

I think his style of play is a little more bullish, and his physical maturity more of an asset.

 

[egelband]

That is why you go for it right away - before you have to give these guys huge long term deals.

Basically do the opposite of what Toronto is doing.

 

[effen]

I think Kreider goes to Arizona for a Lawson Crouse or Christian Dvorak + a pick thats not their 1st this year.

 

[effen]

Which of Kakko or Kravtsov do you guys think would be better suited moving to center?

Neither. Team is weakest on wing anyway.

 

[Matt4776]

Let's take stock of where we are with potential long-term pieces and top prospects at this stage. Let's assume we take Kakko.

LW: Lemieux
C: Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, Howden
RW: Kravtsov, Kakko, Buchnevich
LD: Skjei, Miller, Hajek, Rykov
RD: ADA, Lundkvist
G: Georgiev, Shestyorkin

Of course, we have other prospects like Lindgren, Keane.etc .etc. But these are some of our best.

Very excellent start. Our RW organizational depth is absolutely lethal. Still need some long-term LW talent (2020?) and some defenders with 1st pairing upside. Miller and Lundkvist are the only ones with first pairing upside IMO.

Extremely wishful thinking, but if Byram starts to slip a bit (i.e. still available at 6 or so) because of the American centers, I would do everything in my power to turn Kreider+Winnipeg's 1st+any guys like Pionk/Vesey and maybe even Tampa's 1st (using any and all middlemen necessary) into Byram. If Byram and Miller both continue to take steps forward next year, we could always trade Skjei (and his nice term) for a nice return from teams that have trouble attracting UFA talent.

But I think all this is to say that even with Kakko, and even in a hypothetical world where we re-sign Kreider and sign Panarin, we are certainly not ready to compete with our current defense. Don't rush the process.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Neither. Team is weakest on wing anyway.

We’ll have Kakko, Kravtsov & Buch on RW. Does one of them move to the left? I think Buch is much more than a 3rd like winger

 

[EdJovanovski]

Let's take stock of where we are with potential long-term pieces and top prospects at this stage. Let's assume we take Kakko.

LW: Lemieux
C: Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, Howden
RW: Kravtsov, Kakko, Buchnevich
LD: Skjei, Miller, Hajek, Rykov
RD: ADA, Lundkvist
G: Georgiev, Shestyorkin

Of course, we have other prospects like Lindgren, Keane.etc .etc. But these are some of our best.

Very excellent start. Our RW organizational depth is absolutely lethal. Still need some long-term LW talent (2020?) and some defenders with 1st pairing upside. Miller and Lundkvist are the only ones with first pairing upside IMO.

Extremely wishful thinking, but if Byram starts to slip a bit (i.e. still available at 6 or so) because of the American centers, I would do everything in my power to turn Kreider+Winnipeg's 1st+any guys like Pionk/Vesey and maybe even Tampa's 1st (using any and all middlemen necessary) into Byram. If Byram and Miller both continue to take steps forward next year, we could always trade Skjei (and his nice term) for a nice return from teams that have trouble attracting UFA talent.

But I think all this is to say that even with Kakko, and even in a hypothetical world where we re-sign Kreider and sign Panarin, we are certainly not ready to compete with our current defense. Don't rush the process.

I know Lundkvist is a small Swedish dman so people think high ceiling offense but he’s certainly more what I’d consider a safe 2nd/3rd pairing D than a boom/bust prospect. He plays a rather defensive game and doesn’t have anywhere near the offensive prowess that the likes of ADA do.
I see this as our future D core

Miller - DeAngelo
Skjei - Fox
Hajek - Lundkvist

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Let's take stock of where we are with potential long-term pieces and top prospects at this stage. Let's assume we take Kakko.

LW: Lemieux
C: Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, Howden
RW: Kravtsov, Kakko, Buchnevich
LD: Skjei, Miller, Hajek, Rykov
RD: ADA, Lundkvist
G: Georgiev, Shestyorkin

Of course, we have other prospects like Lindgren, Keane.etc .etc. But these are some of our best.

Very excellent start. Our RW organizational depth is absolutely lethal. Still need some long-term LW talent (2020?) and some defenders with 1st pairing upside. Miller and Lundkvist are the only ones with first pairing upside IMO.

Extremely wishful thinking, but if Byram starts to slip a bit (i.e. still available at 6 or so) because of the American centers, I would do everything in my power to turn Kreider+Winnipeg's 1st+any guys like Pionk/Vesey and maybe even Tampa's 1st (using any and all middlemen necessary) into Byram. If Byram and Miller both continue to take steps forward next year, we could always trade Skjei (and his nice term) for a nice return from teams that have trouble attracting UFA talent.

But I think all this is to say that even with Kakko, and even in a hypothetical world where we re-sign Kreider and sign Panarin, we are certainly not ready to compete with our current defense. Don't rush the process.

seems like a couple of centers might need to convert to LW. Who will it be?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I agree, but what if Kaapo is not their cup of tea and they wanted somebody in the 4-7 range maybe they trade down to Kings to get their 2 1st rounders?

You have no clue what you're talking about

 

[Matt4776]

I know Lundkvist is a small Swedish dman so people think high ceiling offense but he’s certainly more what I’d consider a safe 2nd/3rd pairing D than a boom/bust prospect. He plays a rather defensive game and doesn’t have anywhere near the offensive prowess that the likes of ADA do.
I see this as our future D core

Miller - DeAngelo
Skjei - Fox
Hajek - Lundkvist

I don't think Lundkvist has some unlimited offensive potential, but there is more than flashy offensive upside that goes into 1st pairing d-men. I also think Lundkvist's ceiling is that of an ideal #2.

Would you call prime Stralman a top pairing d-man despite his lack of offensive flash? Because I sure as hell would.

 

[BBKers]

Just popped in for a coffee - any news in Rangerland? Other than what Gortons voodoo inspired good luck charm might be!?

 

[Edge]

Just popped in for a coffee - any news in Rangerland? Other than what Gortons voodoo inspired good luck charm might be!?

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