Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[JohnC]

My opinion, just Copp has truly worked out there so far this year.

Kakko did too, after a bit of a learning curve. He was rolling with them before getting promoted to Kreids/Zibs line.

It won’t happen but I’d basically wanna see:

Kreider-Zib-Laf
Panarin-Strome/Copp-Kakko
Chytil-Copp/Strome-Vatrano
Brod-Goodrow-Hunt

for the rest of the year.

 

[DialUp]

Kakko did too, after a bit of a learning curve. He was rolling with them before getting promoted to Kreids/Zibs line.

It won’t happen but I’d basically wanna see:

Kreider-Zib-Laf
Panarin-Strome/Copp-Kakko
Chytil-Copp/Strome-Vatrano
Brod-Goodrow-Hunt

for the rest of the year.

ah forgot about KK

 

[Kodiak]

He's a top pair defender this year.

We need another strong pair. Lindgren gets dropped to 3rd pair with Schneider or moved. We need another big boy. Size, as the past few weeks and decades of playoffs have shown... is really important in the back end.

Whether it's someone like Chychrun, which we've been linked to for a while now, or a shrewd move like....

I'd like to see this next year:

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

I don't think we are lacking in size/toughness with Miller, Trouba, Schneider, and Lindgren. Miller and Fox would be a true top pairing and take the tough defensive assignments. Jones takes over as the primary puck mover on the second pair and gets a veteran partner in Trouba. Lindgren slides down the depth chart to a spot more natural to him, and Schneider gets a more stable partner.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

*edit* "stacked" has a fluid definition. Sometimes a team not known as stacked 'in the moment' is looked back on in hindsight as being stacked.

I didn't say the other teams don't have cap issues or concerns, I am saying that stacked teams *exist* and we aren't one of them, and truthfully never WERE one of them, regardless of our performance during prime Hank years. We are going to be in trouble very soon cap wise. What would make *us* stacked? Laff, Kakko, and Chytil becoming very good players. Miller continuing his ascent. Schneider building on his promising rookie year. It could very well be our future.

Even in our best years, we weren't exactly offensively dangerous. It wasn't our game. (I could be wrong here, we might have had a great offensive year or two). We thrived off good defense and Hank. The deep runs were one maybe two forwards away from winning our share of chips. But we were not complete. Cup winning teams really do have it all. Even if it's just once. AND they had to have luck thrown on top of it. Every one of us wants that with this group, no?

In short, my comment is pointing to teams like recent era TBL, this years CAR, FLA, and COL, maybe TOR. Sure they might have cap issues but those are the kinds of teams you want if you are going to have cap problems. I look at a team like CGY and see a non-stacked team that is very good and a real contender, perhaps St. Louis too. I would put us in that category.

We *are* going to have cap issues, let's hope we look like an elite team when we do.

We still went to 3 conference finals in 4 years, including a SCF, so yeah we were legit contenders. We are not that far behind some of those top teams you mentioned. The only team that is actually stacked is Colorado. I also think that Laf, Kakko, Miller, Schneider, Chytil, are going to be important players moving forward and we will have cheap replacements if needed in Jones, Lundkvist, Robertson, Cuylle, Othmann, Berard, and possibly Kravs as well. Some tough decisions have to be made just like most other competitive teams but it is not nearly as dire as you make it seem.

 

[Chytilmania]

I'd love to see the kids stay with Kreids this summer. Fox, KAM, Laffy, Kakko, Zibs and Chytil.

This team needs to not get fat in the offseason

Fox is allergic to the gym. I think the Norris and contract got to him and he felt he didn’t need to work hard. I hope this fall off is a wake up call.
Zibs will be with Kreider and Prentiss. We’ll see about the other kids.

 

[DialUp]

We still went to 3 conference finals in 4 years, including a SCF, so yeah we were legit contenders. We are not that far behind some of those top teams you mentioned. The only team that is actually stacked is Colorado. I also think that Laf, Kakko, Miller, Schneider, Chytil, are going to be important players moving forward and we will have cheap replacements if needed in Jones, Lundkvist, Robertson, Cuylle, Othmann, Berard, and possibly Kravs as well. Some tough decisions have to be made just like most other competitive teams but it is not nearly as dire as you make it seem.

I am also not implying it's dire. We have, in our organization, talent already here that *could* push us to that level. That is a great position to be in! What I am saying is, if we are in cap hell, we need those kids to be very good so it DOESN'T MATTER that we are in that Hell; Cup contention is all that matters.

I believe you can be a very good team and contend but not be one of the very best teams. That is the awesome nature of the NHL playoffs. But, I disagree with you on the point that you only see COL as "stacked". My opinion is the Florida teams, plus Carolina are in that category as well.

 

[Wtp99]

Kakko did too, after a bit of a learning curve. He was rolling with them before getting promoted to Kreids/Zibs line.

It won’t happen but I’d basically wanna see:

Kreider-Zib-Laf
Panarin-Strome/Copp-Kakko
Chytil-Copp/Strome-Vatrano
Brod-Goodrow-Hunt

for the rest of the year.

I agree with the lines except I would like
Panarin- Copp- Kakko and Reaves for the rest of the year
playoffs Reaves/Hunt

 

[DanielBrassard]

Looking at how well Seth Jarvis is playing on a stacked Carolina forward group. Othmann is having a great season for Flint. If Othmann comes to camp and basically forces the Rangers to keep him for at least the start of The NHL season before the 10 NHL games played mark for Othmann.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Lafreniere-Chytil-Othmann
Blais-Goodrow-Reaves
Add 13th forward. Brodzinski or Hunt at $762,500?

Kreider, Zibanejad, Copp & Goodrow are the main PK forwards.

Lindgren-Fox
KAM-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
7th D-Cheap

Shesterkin
Cheap back-up

Trade reaves, Hunt will be in the lineup. Brodzinski the 13th forward.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I am also not implying it's dire. We have, in our organization, talent already here that *could* push us to that level. That is a great position to be in! What I am saying is, if we are in cap hell, we need those kids to be very good so it DOESN'T MATTER that we are in that Hell; Cup contention is all that matters.

I believe you can be a very good team and contend but not be one of the very best teams. That is the awesome nature of the NHL playoffs. But, I disagree with you on the point that you only see COL as "stacked". My opinion is the Florida teams, plus Carolina are in that category as well.

Fair. I still question Florida because they give up a lot of goals. TBL is not nearly the team that they were and I think we can beat them in a 7 game series. Carolina is very good, but not that much better than the Rangers tbh, just a year or 2 ahead in development and experience. So many variables in the playoffs though but you have to be in it to win it.

 

[McRanger92]

But that is not true. Teams do squeeze guys with trade protection sometimes.

It's counter productive to trade away your young assets because you are cap squeezed. You have to find a way to move the older, more expensive veterans. It doesn't have to be Trouba, but I was using him in this hypo presuming he might have some value around the league in return.

Counterproductive to who? NYR are in win-now mode, they arent going to trade their best players unless they have no other option. And frankly none of the young forwards are close to forcing their hands, as much potential as they might have.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Barron spent the summer with Kreider. Miller stayed in Minnesota.

Not that it matters but KAM did spend some time with Kreider in Darien during the summer. Probably was hanging instead of training though since he wasn’t with Prentiss.

 

[Alluckks]

Moving Lindgren and other assets for Chychrun at 50% saves cap and improves the team

There are other ways to do that as well, but it is one clear example

 

[duhmetreE]

Fox is allergic to the gym. I think the Norris and contract got to him and he felt he didn’t need to work hard. I hope this fall off is a wake up call.
Zibs will be with Kreider and Prentiss. We’ll see about the other kids.

I expect a career year then.

Kreider has really honed in on his training and diet, especially after his health woes. IF only he was given authority over the whole team

Doesn't Carolina have a army style fitness test? There's a reason they can attack for 3 periods.

 

[Go Rangers]

What will be our potential downfall in the playoffs?

1. Fox-Lindgren
2. PP
3. 3rd line

Yes

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Not that it matters but KAM did spend some time with Kreider in Darien during the summer. Probably was hanging instead of training though since he wasn’t with Prentiss.

Miller and Lafrenière stayed with a billet family that have great facilities for them to work out, including their own rink.

 

[rangers1314]

He should call Rudy to rep him.

He Made an N.H.L. Career Out of Being a Pest. It Isn’t Working in Court.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd like to see this next year:

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

I don't think we are lacking in size/toughness with Miller, Trouba, Schneider, and Lindgren. Miller and Fox would be a true top pairing and take the tough defensive assignments. Jones takes over as the primary puck mover on the second pair and gets a veteran partner in Trouba. Lindgren slides down the depth chart to a spot more natural to him, and Schneider gets a more stable partner.

I'd like to see it as well... Jones will have to earn top4 duties and that will take time.

Gallant will not give a kid top4 over Lindgren. Lets be realistic. Jones, while being a better puck mover still creates limitations in the top4. I truly think we need a LHD with size. Chychrun would be the perfect add because he also adds another dimension of goal scoring from the back end

 

[mas0764]

Counterproductive to who? NYR are in win-now mode, they arent going to trade their best players unless they have no other option. And frankly none of the young forwards are close to forcing their hands, as much potential as they might have.

Being in win now mode doesn’t mean destroying your future. Sadly too many posters on here are Glen Sather devotees.

And again, moving Trouba incurs a minimal hit on D due to Miller’s and Schneider’s pending improvements, but frees up salary to be a lot deeper and better at forward. The team isn’t worse, just rebalanced.

 

[egelband]

Goodrow-Chytil-KK looked good today I thought. But I guess that line will be Laf-Chytil-KK going forward and Goodrow will be on the 4th?

I really like Goodrow on the third line. I know there’s a logjam, but I just like the stability and direction he provides with two young guys. Probably just a mental block for me though.

 

[McRanger92]

Being in win now mode doesn’t mean destroying your future. Sadly too many posters on here are Glen Sather devotees.

And again, moving Trouba incurs a minimal hit on D due to Miller’s and Schneider’s pending improvements, but frees up salary to be a lot deeper and better at forward.

Destroying the future. I think theyll be ok

 

[Boris Zubov]

Destroying the future. I think theyll be ok

We did give up a couple of 4ths for rentals, he's got a point.

 

[Miamipuck]

What's the nonsense now? The Rangers aren't training hard enough? They have to train harder?

Where does this crap come from? To be in the NHL you don't work yourself into shape any longer, this isnt 1988.

It's a different hot take daily. You see what happens to individual players when they come in out of shape they're behind the 8 ball the entire season. But as a team that's a load of crap.

 

[Synergy27]

Being in win now mode doesn’t mean destroying your future. Sadly too many posters on here are Glen Sather devotees.

And again, moving Trouba incurs a minimal hit on D due to Miller’s and Schneider’s pending improvements, but frees up salary to be a lot deeper and better at forward.

I was much more on board with this line of thinking when Fox was running away with the Norris and Trouba looked like just some above average guy. Trouba is playing too well and is too large a part of this defense corps to even think about moving him.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I was much more on board with this line of thinking when Fox was running away with the Norris and Trouba looked like just some above average guy. Trouba is playing too well and is too large a part of this defense corps to even think about moving him.

It doesn't matter anyway, Trouba isn't waiving.

 

[Synergy27]

It doesn't matter anyway, Trouba isn't waiving.

The team has also gone out of its way to rebuild the Trouba frat house on Broadway.