Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

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Chytil and Lafreniere need continuity. They are finally playing good hockey and Goodrow helping that line out is a big part of it.

Everytime they try to put that kid line together it’s terrible. Why make everyone go backwards? Team is playing well right now so why blow at least one of the lines up?

Let Kakko show he is healthy and then figure it out. Nothing wrong with building himself back up while he shakes the rust off
You see this is the type of attitude that gets the younger players no where.

“Everytime” is limited to several games last season, which at points looked pretty good. They haven’t rolled out that combo at all this season yet.

I think it will be Laf Chytil KK. I don’t think there’s much of a drop off losing Goodrow off that line. Defensively it’s a wash. Offensively once Kakko gets it going again it’s an improvement.

I think a lot of fans are forgetting that Kakko was consistently one of the best possession forwards on the team earlier in the year before he got hurt. That will be a big boost to that line
 
I wouldn't even entertain trading Kakko for Chychrun tbh
Don’t think there is a lot of downside to doing that honestly.
You see this is the type of attitude that gets the younger players no where.

“Everytime” is limited to several games last season, which at points looked pretty good. They haven’t rolled out that combo at all this season yet.

I think it will be Laf Chytil KK. I don’t think there’s much of a drop off losing Goodrow off that line. Defensively it’s a wash. Offensively once Kakko gets it going again it’s an improvement.

I think a lot of fans are forgetting that Kakko was consistently one of the best possession forwards on the team earlier in the year before he got hurt. That will be a big boost to that line
I completely disagree. You put the three kids together it’s three guys still trying to find they way and discover their games. That’s why it doesn’t work. Gallant obviously has a quick hook on that line and they don’t have time to make mistakes as the Rangers are contenders. Quite frankly it’s lazy to put that group together And just hope it works. No one wins from it. Not sure how many times they need to try it out before they learn that. There is obviously no priority to develop them, so they just put at three together and hope they figure it out. It’s the wrong move.
 
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Don’t think there is a lot of downside to doing that honestly.

I completely disagree. You put the three kids together it’s three guys still trying to find they way and discover their games. That’s why it doesn’t work. Gallant obviously has a quick hook on that line and they don’t have time to make mistakes as the Rangers are contenders. Quite frankly it’s lazy to put that group together And just hope it works. No one wins from it. Not sure how many times they need to try it out before they learn that. There is obviously no priority to develop them, so they just put at three together and hope they figure it out. It’s the wrong move.
Kakko and Chytil have played plenty together and that line allows Kakko to do his thing which this team is really going to need come playoff time. Putting Kakko and Chytil together is continuity for the both of them. They played well last season when they actually had an NHL LW on that line.
 
Kakko and Chytil have played plenty together and that line allows Kakko to do his thing which this team is really going to need come playoff time. Putting Kakko and Chytil together is continuity for the both of them. They played well last season when they actually had an NHL LW on that line.
Kakko and Chytil have played together and it usually is there worst line. I’m not having that. It’s never been a good combination. While it looked best with an established NHL LW on that line, Lafreniere isn’t that guy yet.
 
That’s fine, but neither is Kakko getting traded. He is also basically already a better defender than Goodrow.

And in the unlikely event that it was one of them that needed to be moved, it’s Goodrow before Kakko.

Not sure why this is so “unrealistic” as it’s been said.
I'm not advocating trading Kakko.

When was the last time the NYR's signed a guy and watched as tjat player worked out, then traded him 12 months later.

Its unrealistic because with this franchise, its NEVER happened.

And it won't in this instance either.
 
Kakko and Chytil have played together and it usually is there worst line. I’m not having that. It’s never been a good combination. While it looked best with an established NHL LW on that line, Lafreniere isn’t that guy yet.
Goodrow and Kakko are going to look worse. Unless they reshuffle the top six Chytil and Kakko is probably the best it will get.
 
Goodrow and Kakko are going to look worse. Unless they reshuffle the top six Chytil and Kakko is probably the best it will get.
I mean if you put Goodrow and Kakko together, at least you could make a coherent shut down like that could potentially make sense. I’d rather have that than watch the kids play together and get benched after making a mistake. I honestly would not even take Goodrow away from Lafreniere. Lafreniere badly needs stability and continuity after being shuffled around different lines and positions for the majority of the season.
 
I don’t think a serious Stanley Cup contender should ride sunk cost. Kakko needs to show something rest of season. JMO.
Before he got hurt he was showing plenty. He was playing so well with panarin and strome he got bumped to mika/ck, and then after a few games he started figuring out how to play with them.

I have less concerns about kakko than I do about laf, and i have no concerns about laf.
 
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I don’t know. That just seems like a really nice way of saying he’s a 3rd line player. I haven’t seen much offensive upside to his game (in contrast with Lafreniere, who I think flashes his offensive upside from time to time).

Nothing wrong with a decent 3rd line player, but he’s coming off his ELC now is all.
If you watch kakko gets the puck in space in the offensive zone. He absolutely manages to flash by winning board battles. Thats the type of game that's going to be insanely important in the playoffs.
When you have a guy who draws 2 defenders, you're basically on the powerplay.
 
There is no chance I'm changing the Panarin line unless there is a drastic drop off.

The 1st line needs to stay as well. It's working too well to break up.

The 3rd line was dominant because Chytil was using his speed, but my concern if they do run Laf-Chytil-Kakko is when they are in their own end.

I wonder if Gallant could have a more fluid bottom 6. Goodrow plays on the 4th line, but Chytil isn't being used for defensive zone starts on the 3rd. 4th line OZ shifts could be Chytil-Rooney-Hunt.

The playoffs are about winning and matchups. I'm getting guys in the right spots for the team. Will be similar for late in game for Goodrow, he's going in for Vatrano to protect the lead. You could do Hunt (would love to be Motte)-Rooney-Kakko as a 3rd line late to close games too.
 
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Yeah, my preference as a kook on the internet would be to try the Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier thing again, especially in these games that basically don't matter, and put Goodrow and Kakko on a shutdown fourth line with Hunt or Rooney. But there's no indication it'll play out that way and I get it, you're asking a Cup contender to "stay patient" with a line that basically can't score and to facilitate that, you're putting a 2OA draft pick on the fourth line without him having done anything wrong
 
Yeah, my preference as a kook on the internet would be to try the Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier thing again, especially in these games that basically don't matter, and put Goodrow and Kakko on a shutdown fourth line with Hunt or Rooney. But there's no indication it'll play out that way and I get it, you're asking a Cup contender to "stay patient" with a line that basically can't score and to facilitate that, you're putting a 2OA draft pick on the fourth line without him having done anything wrong
Replace Gauthier with Kravtsov and we have a line
 
I never said the team sucks. I said I don't think it's in the group of true contenders like Tampa, Carolina and Colorado who have the realest chances to win the Cup.

In fact, it's been my greatest concern that we are now too good to be bad enough to get the assets we need. I'm afraid we get stuck in 2014-15 Rangersland again.

And yes, I continue to think Drury and Dolan have taken the wrong approach in this regard. Especially in relation to Kravtsov and taking the necessary steps to acquire another young center or two.

And as I've said many times, fix those two issues and I'm all aboard.

I'm not gonna sit here and shut up just because some are too sensitive to tolerate a different advocacy. But I do know that homers often interpret criticism of the team's move as hating the team and in their view if you don't back everything the team does you aren't a real fan.
Cut the homer nonsense out. People aren't homers for enjoying good season, and a rebuild that by every objective measure has been successful regardless of the fantasy asset management league you play in your head.

Drury did a good job. You were wrong. Take the L like the man said and move on.
 
I'm not advocating trading Kakko.

When was the last time the NYR's signed a guy and watched as tjat player worked out, then traded him 12 months later.

Its unrealistic because with this franchise, its NEVER happened.

And it won't in this instance either.

Well someone said we may have to move Kakko because of his contract demands. That’s so ridiculous itself that it’s safe to say we could and should do something unprecedented like buy out Barclay Goodrow before entertaining the idea of moving Kakko. But I’m not advocating it either necessarily.
 
Well someone said we may have to move Kakko because of his contract demands. That’s so ridiculous itself that it’s safe to say we could and should do something unprecedented like buy out Barclay Goodrow before entertaining the idea of moving Kakko. But I’m not advocating it either necessarily.
I see the Rangers moving on from Georgiev, Nemeth and Chytil. After accounting for replacements, that's probably clearing about 4 million.

Don't see the need to move Kakko unless of course he wants more on a long term deal than Kotkaniemi got on his long term deal.
 
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Cut the homer nonsense out.

No.

If you don't want to be labeled, maybe the cadre of homers on here should stop attacking myself first and have a grown up conversation instead of acting like petulant 13 year olds every time something they don't agree with is suggested.

Instead, it's baby antics, ignore lists, personal attacks, etc. Basically I'm stupid and the insider clique knows better. No thanks.

People aren't homers for enjoying good season

That's not why they are homers. I'm enjoying a good season. I've paid substantial money out of my pocket to go to two games with my whole family well after all these debates have been raging. You can enjoy the season and still find some faults. Well, unless you are a homer, in which case, any suggestion of team blundering sends you into a rage.

and a rebuild that by every objective measure has been successful regardless of the fantasy asset management league you play in your head.

Drury did a good job. You were wrong. Take the L like the man said and move on.

Drury did a good job at the trade deadline, albeit he did pay a higher price than I would have personally. But he acted with restraint in regards to our best assets, yet still got pieces that improve the team in return, and I said I gave him a B.

He did not do a good job in the offseason and the superhero performance of players acquired before he became GM does not change that. He failed on the Buch trade, the Kravstov incident, and in taking any steps to acquire 2 young centers. Although shopping on a budget, his acquisitions/targets of Blais, Hunt, Nemeth and Reaves have proven mediocre at best. Goodrow was a shrewd trade that he then spent a little too much money on for a team that is now going to be cap squeezed. His best move by far, from a win-now perspective at least, was bringing aboard Gallant, though even in that department I'm left wondering when the youth development is coming.

While we are substantially ahead in points of where I would have projected us, I also was saying in the offseason that the playoffs were a given because we have too much talent not to make the playoffs, so it's not as if they have vastly outperformed my expectations, and they wouldn't really reach that level unless they get out of the Eastern Conference come the playoffs, because I never would have said winning a round or two is impossible when you have Shesterkin, Panarin, Fox, and Zibanejad (though I may have said at some point this year when they were getting their asses kicked at 5v5 that 'they'll never win a playoff round like this').

Where's the L to take? I think you might be confusing me with some of the more obvious trolls, but things have played out pretty much exactly like I would have said based on the successes and failures of the past offseason and trade deadline so far. We were a flawed team still in desperate need of young forward talent and seasoning/maturity on defense being carried by our stars and our goalie for the vast majority of the year. That was not a recipe for winning a Cup or Cups in the slightest. Drury rectified the issue FOR NOW by acquiring Copp, Vatrano, and Motte who are all top-9 capable guys including one who can play center, but unfortunately most of those players are likely to depart in the offseason due to cap concerns, as well as Strome, leaving us right back again needing two young centers.

And while these moves put us in the thick of the race as opposed to on the outskirts, I would prefer to assemble a team that is more of a favorite rather than a common playoff team, and to do that, you need a young center or two in here that's eventually better than Copp and Strome. That's how you go from middle of the pack contender to favorite. It's not "fantasy," or impossible to do whatsoever. Just hard.
 
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How does the Rangers acquiring Chychrun help their cap situation? The idea of trading Lindgren is because of cap reasons. The Rangers are adding $1.6M in cap commitments. The Rangers trade the $3M and replace him with a player making $925,000. It frees up over $2M in cap space. The Rangers would use that money to re-sign some of their other players.

Maybe Columbus for Strome? Columbus needs help in the middle. JD knows him from New York. They have the cap space. Laine is due a new contract. They don't any other major commitments coming up. There aren't that many teams with ample cap space. Columbus has never been afraid to give big contracts. Columbus has young centers but teams are usually reluctant to play them all at center. Columbus is not far from being a playoff team. Columbus has two first round picks in this draft. Chicago's pick is top 2 protected. Strome would help them and JD would take away a player from the Rangers.
 
I see the Rangers moving on from Georgiev, Nemeth and Chytil. After accounting for replacements, that's probably clearing about 4 million.

Don't see the need to move Kakko unless of course he wants more on a long term deal than Kotkaniemi got on his long term deal.

If conventional thinking prevails and the Rangers move on from Georgiev and replace him with a minimum salary and they can get out from Nemeth somehow, and Kakko only commands ~sub $3m on a bridge deal, I think they are able to sign one of Copp or Strome and some other cheap forwards. Maybe they can keep a Vatrano if the market squeezes him too because of cap space issues. They aren't gonna be re-signing multiple guys to $3m+ deals.

Chytil should be kept. He's better than anyone you are getting for his $2m and he still has upside. The only reason to trade him is if he's in a package for another better young player you can win a trade for.

The Kakko issue should be the primary one. Because at the end of the day if I'm only left with $2.8m for him and some other team can jump in and steal him for $2.9m and some middle round picks, that will be a colossal disaster and a fireable offense. You have to get him signed first.

If it necessitated moving out someone else painful, like Goodrow, then that's what they should do. But hopefully it won't come to that.
 
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How does the Rangers acquiring Chychrun help their cap situation? The idea of trading Lindgren is because of cap reasons. The Rangers are adding $1.6M in cap commitments. The Rangers trade the $3M and replace him with a player making $925,000. It frees up over $2M in cap space. The Rangers would use that money to re-sign some of their other players.

Migrant are going to get free phones.

Some HF peeps should get free calculators.
 
If conventional thinking prevails and the Rangers move on from Georgiev and replace him with a minimum salary and they can get out from Nemeth somehow, and Kakko only commands ~sub $3m on a bridge deal, I think they are able to sign one of Copp or Strome and some other cheap forwards. Maybe they can keep a Vatrano if the market squeezes him too because of cap space issues. They aren't gonna be re-signing multiple guys to $3m+ deals.

This would be the scenario I'm hoping for - no Nemeth, AG gone, Strome gone, Copp signed, Vatrano signed, Kakko bridged, and Chytil retained, and I think I'd probably add moving on from Reaves if I could. And Kravtsov somehow back in the mix.
 
How does the Rangers acquiring Chychrun help their cap situation?

I'm not even sure it helps their talent situation.

Chychrun is good but I think a bit overrated here.

I don't know that he's substantially better than Trouba. I mean, that's a good player and all, but we have our likely top pair of Miller and Fox moving forward. And Jones, Schneider, Robertson and Nils are all likely ace top-4 defenders in the future too.

Maybe Columbus for Strome? Columbus needs help in the middle. JD knows him from New York. They have the cap space. Laine is due a new contract. They don't any other major commitments coming up. There aren't that many teams with ample cap space. Columbus has never been afraid to give big contracts. Columbus has young centers but teams are usually reluctant to play them all at center. Columbus is not far from being a playoff team. Columbus has two first round picks in this draft. Chicago's pick is top 2 protected. Strome would help them and JD would take away a player from the Rangers.

Is this just speculation on a free agent destination? I don't think Strome is really tradable at this point, he's a UFA, is he not?
 
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This would be the scenario I'm hoping for - no Nemeth, AG gone, Strome gone, Copp signed, Vatrano signed, Kakko bridged, and Chytil retained, and I think I'd probably add moving on from Reaves if I could. And Kravtsov somehow back in the mix.

Do all that and win a Nils trade for a center. He has more value than people think or realize.

Some of the sleepiness on his stock is absolutely due to people choosing favorites between him and Schneider and they think of Nils as the loser of that contest, but he's still an A prospect and frankly his metrics were not really any worse than Schneiders in his 20-so games. Schneider just plays a style that the team preferred (and they've sure beaten that horse to death... Toughness!!).
 
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