Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

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Do all that and win a Nils trade for a center. He has more value than people think or realize.

Some of the sleepiness on his stock is absolutely due to people choosing favorites between him and Schneider and they think of Nils as the loser of that contest, but he's still an A prospect and frankly his metrics were not really any worse than Schneiders in his 20-so games. Schneider just plays a style that the team preferred (and they've sure beaten that horse to death... Toughness!!).

I dont think Nils has as much value as some here think unfortunately. Vancouver wouldn't take him in a package for JT Miller for 1.5 years. He probably wouldve been dealt for Giroux if he was willing to waive to come here.

Hes a good prospect, but teams clearly arent falling over themselves to acquire him despite the fact that hes very much available.
 
Hes a good prospect, but teams clearly arent falling over themselves to acquire him despite the fact that hes very much available.

Unfortunately for many teams they also over value rentals from big names like Giroux and Miller.

Not saying you are getting Lundell straight up for him but there is almost certainly a deal to be made with a team like Dallas or Los Angeles or something.
 
Surely Trouba will waive his NMC in order for the Rangers to sign 2 of his best friends instead:rolleyes:. Dealing him also doesnt make the Rangers better now or in the future.

The Rangers will push him to waive at some point, the question is if we’ve reached it yet. Probably not quite but I don’t think I agree that Trouba is worth more by himself than Copp and Vatrano. Though in fairness I don’t expect Copp to keep up his PPG pace forever either.
 
Unfortunately for many teams they also over value rentals from big names like Giroux and Miller.

Not saying you are getting Lundell straight up for him but there is almost certainly a deal to be made with a team like Dallas or Los Angeles or something.

I actually agree that their best bet with trading Nils is to deal him for another unproven young forward with a similar pedigree. The Rangers have assets to deal but they are running out of salary space to add a big ticket. Not that they necessarily need it, because the defense is set in stone for next year and if thy bring back one of Strome/Copp & Vatrano, theyll have 7 capable bodies for the top 6.
 
The Rangers will push him to waive at some point, the question is if we’ve reached it yet. Probably not quite but I don’t think I agree that Trouba is worth more by himself than Copp and Vatrano.

Frankly I think the decision on Trouba comes up at earliest another full season from now.

Kakko's season and the likelihood of replacing Strome with Copp helps alleviate cap concerns for next year.
 
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The Rangers will push him to waive at some point, the question is if we’ve reached it yet. Probably not quite but I don’t think I agree that Trouba is worth more by himself than Copp and Vatrano.

He'll need to go at some point, but as I've said before I think the Rangers will exhaust every option before that comes to fruition. Its between him and Kreider, and I don't think there's any chance the team lets CK go. Its more likely he's wearing the C for the next 5 years+
 
I mean if you put Goodrow and Kakko together, at least you could make a coherent shut down like that could potentially make sense. I’d rather have that than watch the kids play together and get benched after making a mistake. I honestly would not even take Goodrow away from Lafreniere. Lafreniere badly needs stability and continuity after being shuffled around different lines and positions for the majority of the season.
Maybe with Goodrow at LW because GG only uses Goodrow at center as a last option.
 
I actually agree that their best bet with trading Nils is to deal him for another unproven young forward with a similar pedigree. The Rangers have assets to deal but they are running out of salary space to add a big ticket. Not that they necessarily need it, because the defense is set in stone for next year and if thy bring back one of Strome/Copp & Vatrano, theyll have 7 capable bodies for the top 6.

Would love to try to do like a Nils for Wyatt Johnston type swap, maybe add on either side to balance.

Then grab a buy-low like Barrett Hayton.
 
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He'll need to go at some point, but as I've said before I think the Rangers will exhaust every option before that comes to fruition. Its between him and Kreider, and I don't think there's any chance the team lets CK go. Its more likely he's wearing the C for the next 5 years+

While I would still get in a time machine and go back and trade Kreider for Jason Robertson and a first given how Robertson has blossomed, whereas once I thought it more likely Kreider would be the first moved due to his age and the fact that we have Lafreniere and Panarin at LW, I've now come to believe and advocate that Trouba should be the one moved due to the fact that, though younger, Trouba is more expensive, and we have way more quality young defenders to take his spot than we do to take Kreider's wing spot, including a carbon copy in Schneider.
 
I still think that these decisions are likely two years away.

NYR aren't going to be signing any more big name unrestricted free agents

We don't have a ton of players who will need huge raises on their extensions right away.

Miller and Lafreniere will get raises in 2023.

Summer 2024 is, if spotrac is to be believed, is when...

Lindgren comes up for RFAtoUFA contract (Possible trade time)
Kreider's NMC becomes a NTC (Age 33)
Trouba's NMC becomes an NTC (Age 30)
Schneider comes up for first RFA contract

In summer 2024, Goodrow is 31 and halfway through his deal. Goodrow goes to Arizona with an asset then.

We know a lot more about Jones, Robertson re-Lindgren's situation.

We know more about how Kreider has aged and how the RD situation behind Trouba is.

Kakko might be leaving a bridge deal at this point, where are he and Laf in the roster?

I don't see any real reason to force this issue before 2024. We can make room moving Nemeth, Georgiev, Chytil, parting w/Strome. We should bridge Kakko and consider bridging Lafreniere and Miller, too. The cap starts to go up around 2024 and you can move around 15 million that summer.

It becomes the symbolic end of 'window 1' and the start of 'window 2'
 
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I still think that these decisions are likely two years away.

NYR aren't going to be signing any more big name unrestricted free agents

We don't have a ton of players who will need huge raises on their extensions right away.

Miller and Lafreniere will get raises in 2023.

Summer 2024 is, if spotrac is to be believed, is when...

Lindgren comes up for RFAtoUFA contract (Possible trade time)
Kreider's NMC becomes a NTC (Age 33)
Trouba's NMC becomes an NTC (Age 30)
Schneider comes up for first RFA contract

In summer 2024, Goodrow is 31 and halfway through his deal. Goodrow goes to Arizona with an asset then.

We know a lot more about Jones, Robertson re-Lindgren's situation.

We know more about how Kreider has aged and how the RD situation behind Trouba is.

Kakko might be leaving a bridge deal at this point, where are he and Laf in the roster?

I don't see any real reason to force this issue before 2024. We can make room moving Nemeth, Georgiev, Chytil, parting w/Strome. We should bridge Kakko and consider bridging Lafreniere and Miller, too. The cap starts to go up around 2024 and you can move around 15 million that summer.

It becomes the symbolic end of 'window 1' and the start of 'window 2'
Yeah, I think this is the team for the foreseeable future. The improvements come from the kids getting better.
 
I still think that these decisions are likely two years away.

NYR aren't going to be signing any more big name unrestricted free agents

We don't have a ton of players who will need huge raises on their extensions right away.

Miller and Lafreniere will get raises in 2023.

Summer 2024 is, if spotrac is to be believed, is when...

Lindgren comes up for RFAtoUFA contract (Possible trade time)
Kreider's NMC becomes a NTC (Age 33)
Trouba's NMC becomes an NTC (Age 30)
Schneider comes up for first RFA contract

In summer 2024, Goodrow is 31 and halfway through his deal. Goodrow goes to Arizona with an asset then.

We know a lot more about Jones, Robertson re-Lindgren's situation.

We know more about how Kreider has aged and how the RD situation behind Trouba is.

Kakko might be leaving a bridge deal at this point, where are he and Laf in the roster?

I don't see any real reason to force this issue before 2024. We can make room moving Nemeth, Georgiev, Chytil, parting w/Strome. We should bridge Kakko and consider bridging Lafreniere and Miller, too. The cap starts to go up around 2024 and you can move around 15 million that summer.

It becomes the symbolic end of 'window 1' and the start of 'window 2'

Yeah they are definitely going to bridge the young guys coming off ELCs, and i think its what both sides want. Make some decent money for a couple years playing for a Cup contending team and then go for the big money extension when the cap goes up and the NYR other commitments start coming off the books
 
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Yeah they are definitely going to bridge the young guys coming off ELCs, and i think its what both sides want. Make some decent money for a couple years playing for a Cup contending team and then go for the big money extension when the cap goes up and the NYR other commitments start coming off the books
I’m fine with everything except moving Chytil.
He’s signed for another year, and he’s actually out producing that contract at the moment. He has a chance to be a value signing if we extend him at the right moment.
 
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I’m fine with everything except moving Chytil.
He’s signed for another year, and he’s actually out producing that contract at the moment. He has a chance to be a value signing if we extend him at the right moment.
He doesn’t really fit well with anyone on the team. But I guess he also has a revolving door of wingers so hard to tell.
 
He doesn’t really fit well with anyone on the team. But I guess he also has a revolving door of wingers so hard to tell.
He’s never gotten time with panarin or with Ck.

I’m not saying break up Mika/Ck now but I could see him and Ck playing a fast game well.
 
He doesn’t really fit well with anyone on the team. But I guess he also has a revolving door of wingers so hard to tell.

He might be a winger himself. He could still be a value.

What if he's a 40 point winger? I'd like a 22 year old one of them for our third line moving forward.
 
He's gotten time with CK in the past and they crushed it together.

Not a whole lot of time, but enough to know that there was something there.
Not enough to say anything more than small sample size. But also he’s gotten a tiny amount of time centering Panarin and put up equally impressive numbers.
 
No.

If you don't want to be labeled, maybe the cadre of homers on here should stop attacking myself first and have a grown up conversation instead of acting like petulant 13 year olds every time something they don't agree with is suggested....

...Drury did a good job at the trade deadline, albeit he did pay a higher price than I would have personally. But he acted with restraint in regards to our best assets, yet still got pieces that improve the team in return, and I said I gave him a B.

He did not do a good job in the offseason and the superhero performance of players acquired before he became GM does not change that. He failed on the Buch trade, the Kravstov incident, and in taking any steps to acquire 2 young centers. Although shopping on a budget, his acquisitions/targets of Blais, Hunt, Nemeth and Reaves have proven mediocre at best. Goodrow was a shrewd trade that he then spent a little too much money on for a team that is now going to be cap squeezed. His best move by far, from a win-now perspective at least, was bringing aboard Gallant, though even in that department I'm left wondering when the youth development is coming.
Grown up conversation? OK here you go...you are obviously wrong when you say Drury did not do a good job in the off season. The addition of Goodrow, Blais, Hunt, and Reaves changed the culture of this team from a team with lots of skill, but little grit to a team with both. That culture was set in training camp and remains now. I get a lot of people didn't like the Buch trade. But, well...you're wrong. Buch - even "American Buch" - is not a gritty player. With the Rangers Buch was an occasionally dirty player (which i was fine with) and a good defender with offensive talent. But he is not a physical player, and i'm sorry but to contend you actually need those.

Buch was also a skill redundancy that posters like you liked to say the Rangers would have to burn assets to replace in the top six at the deadline. That didn't happen though. They did not bring in another version of Buch, as all of Vitrano, Copp, and Motte are completely different players. They moved on from Buch and any player like him in the role he had in New York, and are clearly and obviously better for it. If you want to be a grown up, this is the L you have to take.

Drury also brought in Gallant in the off season. I shouldn't have to explain the success of that move. As to Kravstov, i can't believe people even still talk about that baby. I won't waste time with that.
 
Grown up conversation? OK here you go...you are obviously wrong when you say Drury did not do a good job in the off season. The addition of Goodrow, Blais, Hunt, and Reaves changed the culture of this team from a team with lots of skill, but little grit to a team with both. That culture was set in training camp and remains now.

I'm not wrong. Reaves, Hunt, and Blais are adding very little. Drury overinvested his energies in grit for a minimal return. These guys see minimal ice time. The idea that these bottom feeders are overhauling the attitude of the roster is misplaced. Panarin, Fox, Zibanejad, and Kreider are still leading the charge here and these guys would be here one way or the other at this point.

More skill is still needed down the middle for us and would have been a wiser investment. Skill wins in hockey and grit does not.

I get a lot of people didn't like the Buch trade. But, well...you're wrong. Buch - even "American Buch" - is not a gritty player. With the Rangers Buch was an occasionally dirty player (which i was fine with) and a good defender with offensive talent. But he is not a physical player, and i'm sorry but to contend you actually need those.

The Buch trade was an F-. No other way to put it.

Horrific value in return. Would have been better to self rent.

Buch was also a skill redundancy that posters like you liked to say the Rangers would have to burn assets to replace in the top six at the deadline. That didn't happen though. They did not bring in another version of Buch, as all of Vitrano, Copp, and Motte are completely different players. They moved on from Buch and any player like him in the role he had in New York, and are clearly and obviously better for it. If you want to be a grown up, this is the L you have to take.

The Buch trade was an F-. No other way to put it.

There's really nothing else to say on the matter. We aren't better for it. We're worse and have less assets than we should as a result.

But that's only one move of the offseason. If you want to argue that Goodrow was a good move, I'm open to that argument.

Drury also brought in Gallant in the off season. I shouldn't have to explain the success of that move.

Yeah, I already said that.
 
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