Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[mas0764]

On the top 9 i dislike him. On the 4th he's perfect and worth an overpayment.

He IS perfect on the fourth line, but I don't know if he's worth an overpayment.

 

[mas0764]

You're wrong. I didn't even notice Wilson was on the ice the last time we played the Caps. Reeves had a lot to do with that.

You didn't notice Wilson on the ice other times we played the Caps too, just that one time.

And Wilson has acted out against other teams who have fighters like Reaves.

 

[mas0764]

Just keep both. It's fantastic to have a couple of high skill RWers and they won't break the bank right away.

We need cheap top 9 forwards who can score. Trading any of them is foolish unless you are clearly winning the trade by getting an equal or better young talent back.

And with Kakko unless you are getting back Zegras not sure how you are supposed to win.

 

[NYR Viper]

Goodrow was on pace for a career year before he started bouncing around the lineup and playing on make-shift 3rd and 4th lines. His value lies in the fact that he can play anywhere in the lineup and he is going to be a match-up/PKer playing 12-14 minutes a night.

 

[McRanger92]

Just keep both. It's fantastic to have a couple of high skill RWers and they won't break the bank right away.

Ideally yes you keep both but it probably depends on Kakko's contract demands and the team's ability to retain other important players.

 

[mas0764]

Ideally yes you keep both but it probably depends on Kakko's contract demands and the team's ability to retain other important players.

We should buy out Goodrow before thinking about moving on from Kakko.

 

[mas0764]

Goodrow was on pace for a career year before he started bouncing around the lineup and playing on make-shift 3rd and 4th lines. His value lies in the fact that he can play anywhere in the lineup and he is going to be a match-up/PKer playing 12-14 minutes a night.

The problem lies in a situation where you either can't sign Copp or can't sign Kakko because too many players like Goodrow have marginally inflated contracts.

We have some on here saying maybe Kakko will have to be moved due to his contract demands.

Yeah, when it reaches that point it's time to start looking at these bottom liners who can "play all over" like Jesper Fast used to, and seeing where the fat can be cut. Maybe we start with Reaves and Nemeth but we will see how much money we are gonna need. Guys like Fast and Goodrow are nice to have but not at the expense of core components.

Moving Kakko is not an option.

 

[Rydev]

The problem lies in a situation where you either can't sign Copp or can't sign Kakko because too many players like Goodrow have marginally inflated contracts.

We have some on here saying maybe Kakko will have to be moved due to his contract demands.

Yeah, when it reaches that point it's time to start looking at these bottom liners who can "play all over" like Jesper Fast used to, and seeing where the fat can be cut. Maybe we start with Reaves and Nemeth but we will see how much money we are gonna need. Guys like Fast and Goodrow are nice to have but not at the expense of core components.

Moving Kakko is not an option.

Usually core options produce more than 14 points

 

[IDvsEGO]

Usually core options produce more than 14 points

14 points in 38 games. or better known as a 30 point pace without any pp time. And again, he was showing all the advanced metrics that he was starting to break out with big possession numbers, and a solid point streak before getting hurt.

 

[Fitzy]

The actual line Goodrow plays on doesn't matter too much- since his primary role here is to provide energy, fill holes and be the top choice penalty killer.

Guy's out there to start every kill- so he's gonna get minutes.

Goodrow-Copp
Zib-Kreider
Rooney-Motte

Is as good a set of penalty killing forwards as you can find in the league. It's really too bad Motte is injured.

 

[Machinehead]

What would we even move Kakko for?

In terms of significant pieces, this team needs absolutely nothing. We don't have any holes that would require paying a ransom to fill.

That can change quickly, of course, but I have no reason to "make Kakko a trade option." Especially for Kravtsov who, for me, is still a worse prospect at this moment.

 

[Fitzy]

What would we even move Kakko for?

In terms of significant pieces, this team needs absolutely nothing. We don't have any holes that would require paying a ransom to fill.

That can change quickly, of course, but I have no reason to "make Kakko a trade option." Especially for Kravtsov who, for me, is still a worse prospect at this moment.

I don't think NYR should trade Kakko but if he signs a Kotkaniemi-esque offer sheet, they should consider taking the picks.

One of my more cancellable takes, but I don't think paying Kakko 6 million in the hopes he turns into that player is the best move with our cap situation.

Trading Kakko trades him with the opportunity cost of keeping him cheap. "Trading" Kakko via RFA offer sheet is different since he'd be assured a much larger salary.

 

[IDvsEGO]

What would we even move Kakko for?

In terms of significant pieces, this team needs absolutely nothing. We don't have any holes that would require paying a ransom to fill.

That can change quickly, of course, but I have no reason to "make Kakko a trade option." Especially for Kravtsov who, for me, is still a worse prospect at this moment.

I mean we have to decide if copp is a 2c or if thats chytil's job to lose next season.
We have to actually sign one of copp or strome.
But yeah once we make that decision we actually don't have many holes to fill. We have maybe 1 middle 6 forward spot, and a bottom pair d spot. Those should be up for grabs for kids though.
I think othmann might be ready next season to take a RW spot, especially if we end up letting vatrano go.

 

[duhmetreE]

What would we even move Kakko for?

In terms of significant pieces, this team needs absolutely nothing. We don't have any holes that would require paying a ransom to fill.

That can change quickly, of course, but I have no reason to "make Kakko a trade option." Especially for Kravtsov who, for me, is still a worse prospect at this moment.

Kakko+ for Mitchkov

The russian factor and that he's signed to the KHL

 

[Machinehead]

I don't think NYR should trade Kakko but if he signs a Kotkaniemi-esque offer sheet, they should consider taking the picks.

One of my more cancellable takes, but I don't think paying Kakko 6 million in the hopes he turns into that player is the best move with our cap situation.

Trading Kakko trades him with the opportunity cost of keeping him cheap. "Trading" Kakko via RFA offer sheet is different since he'd be assured a much larger salary.

If he signs some crazy offer sheet, then yeah, but I don't think that will happen.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don't think NYR should trade Kakko but if he signs a Kotkaniemi-esque offer sheet, they should consider taking the picks.

One of my more cancellable takes, but I don't think paying Kakko 6 million in the hopes he turns into that player is the best move with our cap situation.

So let a 2nd overall pick go for essentially a lower end 1st round pick? That sounds like wonderful asset management.
We talk about Kakko signing an offersheet but I really don't see it. He hasn't broken out just yet (though his possession numbers are promising), and he isnt going to be a massive fan draw to a "hometown". The only teams that could make that offer would be bottom clubs that can't risk an unprotected first.
Laf on the other hand, we'll be deeper into the cap crunch and a full year from being able to move trouba/ck and laf is going to not take a bridge deal, he's going to be a contract thats at least 5+ years. Laf also would be an immediate draw for a team like montreal or ottawa.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Kakko+ for Mitchkov

The russian factor and that he's signed to the KHL

You mean the prospect who is at least 2 years out from entering the NHL?
While he's got tremendous potential he's also 2 years out, and injuries do happen.

 

[Machinehead]

Can I say the Rangers did a very nice thing? I never say that. A balanced approach to the rebuild worked out gangbusters.

The Rangers moved out a ton of pieces at the beginning, but instead of also trading Krieder, trading Zibanejad, trading Strome, and balking at Panarin, they bet on themselves.

Now I think there's actually a window here for 2-3 years to contend. And if Lafreniere and Kakko do break out, it's over. We're gonna have three 1st lines if that happens.

Some might say we "blocked the kids" which is something I've been critical of, but playing Blackwell and Hunt in the top six blocked the kids, not Panarin.

Fox is here forever and Lafreniere and Kakko will have their time (if things go right) down the road. That's your long game. That's another reason I wouldn't entertain trading either of them,

I talked last year and over the summer about a two-window approach and the Rangers actually listened to me for once.

Instead, we could be watching Lafreniere and Kakko be our only relevant forwards right now and as much as I think they would be better with more ice time, do you want to see that? I don't.

 

[duhmetreE]

You mean the prospect who is at least 2 years out from entering the NHL?
While he's got tremendous potential he's also 2 years out, and injuries do happen.

Yes. It's a way ahead look. Assuming Kakko gets bridged. 2 years $2.3M. Kakko puts it together over the next season and plays well, to the point we may not be able to afford him. We then turn him into a bright future RW who wont be in the NHL until 2025? I think?

 

[McRanger92]

We should buy out Goodrow before thinking about moving on from Kakko.

This is why you're on half the boards ignore list, you don't live in reality.

 

[NYR Viper]

I am not seeing the need to trade Kaako...

Signings:
Copp - 6 years @ $4.75m per season
Vatrano - 4 years @ $2.75m per season
Kaako - 2 years @ $2.3m per season
Rooney - 3 years @ $1.1m per season
Blais - 2 years @ $1.5m per season
Kravtsov - 1 years @ $1.25m per season

Trades
Georgev for 3rd + 5th
Nemeth for 6th
Chytil for late 1st + 3rd

Kreider-Zibanejad-Vatrano
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov/Kaako
Lafreniere-Goodrow-Kravtsov/Kaako
Hunt-Brodzinski/Rooney-Blais
Brodzinski/Rooney
Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider

Shesty
$1m back-up (Halak?)

This line-up has $0.995m in cap space and that's with 2 forwards sitting in the press box. It's conceivable they don't re-sign Rooney or send Brodzinski down to save on cap as well.

 

[McRanger92]

I am not seeing the need to trade Kaako...

Signings:
Copp - 6 years @ $4.75m per season
Vatrano - 4 years @ $2.75m per season
Kaako - 2 years @ $2.3m per season
Rooney - 3 years @ $1.1m per season
Blais - 2 years @ $1.5m per season
Kravtsov - 1 years @ $1.25m per season

Trades
Georgev for 3rd + 5th
Nemeth for 6th
Chytil for late 1st + 3rd

Kreider-Zibanejad-Vatrano
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov/Kaako
Lafreniere-Goodrow-Kravtsov/Kaako
Hunt-Brodzinski/Rooney-Blais
Brodzinski/Rooney
Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider

Shesty
$1m back-up (Halak?)

This line-up has $0.995m in cap space and that's with 2 forwards sitting in the press box. It's conceivable they don't re-sign Rooney or send Brodzinski down to save on cap as well.

Well said. I don't want it to seem like I'm pushing Kakko out the door, I just think the Rangers have clear untouchables (KAM, Laf, Schneider) and Kakko isnt quite there at this juncture.

 

[Machinehead]

Well said. I don't want it to seem like I'm pushing Kakko out the door, I just think the Rangers have clear untouchables (KAM, Laf, Schneider) and Kakko isnt quite there at this juncture.

I agree on Kakko. Like I said before, if he signed a crazy offer sheet or a trade offer came in that was a clear win, I don't think he's a non-starter.

I disagree on Lafreniere. I wouldn't really entertain either as I said, but gun to my head, if I had to, I trade Lafreniere today before I trade Kakko. And I could very well be wrong about that.

I say that because ultimately, Kakko is just better player right now and has a higher floor imo. If they end up having little or no development and this is what they are, Lafreniere is a low-volume shooter who also isn't a playmaker (dreadful combo) who specializes in grimy goals. Maybe with the right center, he's Matt Moulson. Kakko is already outstanding defensively and along the boards. He's a way more skilled Jesper Fast meets Brandon Dubinsky, and even at his floor, I don't think there's a player like him. I would prefer the latter.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Man I wish Blais didn't get hurt. Blais - Rooney - Goodrow 4th line sounds good.

 

[McRanger92]

I agree on Kakko. Like I said before, if he signed a crazy offer sheet or a trade offer came in that was a clear win, I don't think he's a non-starter.

I disagree on Lafreniere. I wouldn't really entertain either as I said, but gun to my head, if I had to, I trade Lafreniere today before I trade Kakko. And I could very well be wrong about that.

I say that because ultimately, Kakko is just better player right now and has a higher floor imo. If they end up having little or no development and this is what they are, Lafreniere is a low-volume shooter who also isn't a playmaker (dreadful combo) who specializes in grimy goals. Maybe with the right center, he's Matt Moulson. Kakko is already outstanding defensively and along the boards. He's a way more skilled Jesper Fast meets Brandon Dubinsky, and even at his floor, I don't think there's a player like him. I would prefer the latter.

This was mentioned by Vally on the pregame, but Kakko needs to realize that if hes going to score goals it needs to be around the net. His shot takes way too long to get off. I think he ultimately will get there. even if hes a 20 goal 40-50 point guy who plays solid defense, thats a top 6 player and a big win regardless of draft position.

As for Lafreniere, his skating is still an issue, but i think playoff hockey is conducive to his game. He likes to get in on the forecheck and grind, and his shot plays, but he needs to hit the net.