Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[mas0764]

I really feel Drury should look to move Goodrow in the offseason to free up cap space to try and keep this team together. Most people agree that when Chytil comes back he will slot in between Laf and Kappo on the 3rd line. You can't pay a 4th line guy a little over 3.6 mill. If Chytil doesn't work between Laf and Kappo I think he could me moved too. I saw the main board had a Casey Mittlestat thread. Even swap for Goodrow might make sense for Buffalo if they are looking to build a winning chemistry to teach their young guys how to win. Not a Goodrow hater because I like what he brings I just feel his cap hit and watching those top 2 lines with Copp and Vatrano make me want to see them back next year.

Chytil if he doesn't work, Goodrow and Nemeth free up almost 8.5 mill on top of what we have available could be enough to bring everyone back.

Can I like this twice?

Goodrow doesn’t do much for me.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Can I like this twice?

Goodrow doesn’t do much for me.

On the top 9 i dislike him. On the 4th he's perfect and worth an overpayment.

 

[LeetchisGod]

I think it’s way overrated.

You're wrong. I didn't even notice Wilson was on the ice the last time we played the Caps. Reeves had a lot to do with that.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I think it’s way overrated.

I know.

 

[common12]

On the top 9 i dislike him. On the 4th he's perfect and worth an overpayment.

There is not a 4th line player in the league worth 3.6 mill. On top of that its what you lose by having said player making 3.6 mill.

 

[tomobson]

Goodrow will get moved to the fourth line when Chytil is back but then the fourth line will be the third line. I'm pretty sure this will 100% happen. Unless the kid line really takes off with Kakko and Chytil playing together again then I don't see this going down any other way. I just hope GG actually gives them a chance at being the third line.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Goodrow will get moved to the fourth line when Chytil is back but then the fourth line will be the third line. I'm pretty sure this will 100% happen. Unless the kid line really takes off with Kakko and Chytil playing together again then I don't see this going down any other way. I just hope GG actually gives them a chance at being the third line.

I don't think that will be the case, Gallant was happy with Chytil before he got hurt and I think he trusts Kakko enough to give them the appropriate amount of ice time.

 

[McRanger92]

Goodrow will get moved to the fourth line when Chytil is back but then the fourth line will be the third line. I'm pretty sure this will 100% happen. Unless the kid line really takes off with Kakko and Chytil playing together again then I don't see this going down any other way. I just hope GG actually gives them a chance at being the third line.

In the playoffs, Goodrow will play 4th line at ES with Rooney and Hunt/Reaves and lots on the PK. Gallant will also surely move him into the top 6-9 late in games when the Rangers have leads tor protect. This is exactly how they drew it up last summer.

 

[DialUp]

Goodrow will get moved to the fourth line when Chytil is back but then the fourth line will be the third line. I'm pretty sure this will 100% happen. Unless the kid line really takes off with Kakko and Chytil playing together again then I don't see this going down any other way. I just hope GG actually gives them a chance at being the third line.

We won't really have a "3rd" and "4th" line label come playoff time if/when Chytil comes back. It would just effectively be "bottom six" and it all depends on the situation and the course of the game as to who gets more ice time.

The truth is the 3rd line, even with Chytil, is not a particularly dangerous scoring threat. The numbers back that up. It is about matchups, who is playing well, where the faceoff is, home ice or away, etc etc.

The primary job of the 4th line *should* be to give our scorers a breather and throw the body around a bit. The primary job of the 3rd...well, I am not sure they live up to what they are supposed to do which given the players SHOULD be goal scoring. At best I think they can cycle a bit, but otherwise, another breather line who has CAN score more than the 4th could, but in reality we can't count on that to happen out of no where in the playoffs. Would be nice to be surprised.

And as others have said, once the game goes to crunch time, and GG shortens the bench, someone is sitting for Goodrow to move up.

*Edit* is there a precedent (and I wouldn't be surprised if there were many even recently) of an entire line in the playoffs being this green?

 

[Machinehead]

I still wish they had gone with something more balanced. The Kid Line is very clearly #3 and I don't think it creates the matchup problems I would have liked. If you don't think that line is disappearing as we go later in games and later in the playoffs, I don't know what to tell you.

Talk about Lafreniere's (and Kakko's) development aside, I just don't like the line. Throwing three young players together is stupid. It just isn't a good line.

People have said Lafreniere and Kakko have no chemistry which I don't agree with at all, but Lafreniere and Chytil are like toothpaste and orange juice imo.

 

[Machinehead]

In the playoffs, Goodrow will play 4th line at ES with Rooney and Hunt/Reaves and lots on the PK. Gallant will also surely move him into the top 6-9 late in games when the Rangers have leads tor protect. This is exactly how they drew it up last summer.

I don't mind the idea of Goodrow moving up in a defensive role late as long as it's not for Kakko because Kakko is our best defensive forward.

Also it should really be for Panarin if we're being honest.

 

[Fitzy]

I still wish they had gone with something more balanced. The Kid Line is very clearly #3 and I don't think it creates the matchup problems I would have liked. If you don't think that line is disappearing as we go later in games and later in the playoffs, I don't know what to tell you.

Talk about Lafreniere's (and Kakko's) development aside, I just don't like the line. Throwing three young players together is stupid. It just isn't a good line.

People have said Lafreniere and Kakko have no chemistry which I don't agree with at all, but Lafreniere and Chytil are like toothpaste and orange juice imo.

And the challenge there is that you don't want to f*** with the top 6 right now.

 

[Machinehead]

And the challenge there is that you don't want to f*** with the top 6 right now.

I do.

I still want to heave Strome so far away from Panarin that he rounds the Earth and hits Panarin in the back.

I'm aware that Panarin and Strome will be together until the 2078-79 season and you'll be hearing me bitch about it until 2079.

 

[kovazub94]

Noone in their right mind will touch top-6 as they are right now if they continue to perform as they've done. So if you lament having a kids line then the only alternative is to move Kakko to the forth line for more balance in the bottom-6.

 

[Machinehead]

I will say this, I think the Panarin-Strome combo has been far less annoying with Copp on that wing and maybe having Hunt on the opposite side was an issue (I like him but he's a 4th liner). And Blackwell! In their defense, we've never seen Panarin-Strome long-term not carrying a 4th liner.

That being said, I still think that even the best-case scenario, those two are fine without each other and gluing them together neglects balance in the lineup for a marginal return.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't mind the idea of Goodrow moving up in a defensive role late as long as it's not for Kakko because Kakko is our best defensive forward.

Also it should really be for Panarin if we're being honest.

Kakko needs to get up to speed first. He was skating well Saturday but his timing was way off and it killed a few plays for that line. Not to worried about it, we have 9 games left for him to get back to where he was.

 

[Fitzy]

I fully expect NYR to re-sign Copp and let Strome go to free agency.

Copp is NYR's new Danault. They traded these assets for him with an eye towards him being Strome's replacement. He's better at all the areas of the game that are Ryan's weaknesses.

But for now, MH has a point, Strome looked really good in limited time as a 3rd line center here.

Panarin-Copp-???
Kreider-Zibanejad-Vatrano
Lafreniere-Strome-Kakko
Rooney-Goodrow-Hunt

But I have doubts about who fits well on that Panarin RW. You don't want to see Hunt or Goodrow there, but Kakko is also far from up to full speed. (Damn mcranger jinx)

 

[McRanger92]

I will say this, I think the Panarin-Strome combo has been far less annoying with Copp on that wing and maybe having Hunt on the opposite side was an issue (I like him but he's a 4th liner). And Blackwell! In their defense, we've never seen Panarin-Strome long-term not carrying a 4th liner.

That being said, I still think that even the best-case scenario, those two are fine without each other and gluing them together neglects balance in the lineup for a marginal return.

Kreider-Mika-Vatrano is going to be the line in the playoffs other teams gameplan to stop, so that second line of Panarin-Strome-Copp really has a chance to make a difference. Strome is good at fishing pucks out down low and getting it to the D or Panarin on the half-boards, and Copp's all around game + surprisingly good finishing ability has fit perfectly

 

[Machinehead]

I fully expect NYR to re-sign Copp and let Strome go to free agency.

Copp is NYR's new Danault. They traded these assets for him with an eye towards him being Strome's replacement. He's better at all the areas of the game that are Ryan's weaknesses.

But for now, MH has a point, Strome looked really good in limited time as a 3rd line center here.

Panarin-Copp-???
Kreider-Zibanejad-Vatrano
Lafreniere-Strome-Kakko
Rooney-Goodrow-Hunt

But I have doubts about who fits well on that Panarin RW. You don't want to see Hunt or Goodrow there, but Kakko is also far from up to full speed. (Damn mcranger jinx)

Would have to be Chytil in that lineup.

 

[DialUp]

Kreider-Mika-Vatrano is going to be the line in the playoffs other teams gameplan to stop, so that second line of Panarin-Strome-Copp really has a chance to make a difference.

And this is what makes us most dangerous. Pre-trades, the opposing gameplan for our opponents could simply be to stay out of the box and hope Igor becomes human.

 

[NYR Viper]

I fully expect NYR to re-sign Copp and let Strome go to free agency.

Copp is NYR's new Danault. They traded these assets for him with an eye towards him being Strome's replacement. He's better at all the areas of the game that are Ryan's weaknesses.

But for now, MH has a point, Strome looked really good in limited time as a 3rd line center here.

Panarin-Copp-???
Kreider-Zibanejad-Vatrano
Lafreniere-Strome-Kakko
Rooney-Goodrow-Hunt

But I have doubts about who fits well on that Panarin RW. You don't want to see Hunt or Goodrow there, but Kakko is also far from up to full speed. (Damn mcranger jinx)

Copp and Vatrano should be re-signed. They're both the types of players that have fit in well anbd filled holes in the lineup. Vatrano with his speed and shooting ability and Copp with his overall play.

The guy to go on that line is Kravtsov. FYI.

 

[McRanger92]

I fully expect NYR to re-sign Copp and let Strome go to free agency.

Copp is NYR's new Danault. They traded these assets for him with an eye towards him being Strome's replacement. He's better at all the areas of the game that are Ryan's weaknesses.

But for now, MH has a point, Strome looked really good in limited time as a 3rd line center here.

Panarin-Copp-???
Kreider-Zibanejad-Vatrano
Lafreniere-Strome-Kakko
Rooney-Goodrow-Hunt

But I have doubts about who fits well on that Panarin RW. You don't want to see Hunt or Goodrow there, but Kakko is also far from up to full speed. (Damn mcranger jinx)

I'm so glad we can keep the offseason decisions on the back burner until after the playoffs because i do not envy Drury. Copp has been everything this team can ask for, but Strome has been through the dark times with this team and you can tell hes a fixture in the locker room. I'm team "Sign Copp", but im not sure the organization has made a call on it yet, and most likely wont until we see how both guys perform in the postseason.

 

[McRanger92]

Copp and Vatrano should be re-signed. They're both the types of players that have fit in well anbd filled holes in the lineup. Vatrano with his speed and shooting ability and Copp with his overall play.

The guy to go on that line is Kravtsov. FYI.

If they mend the fences with Kravtsov over the summer and he can show the locker room hes committed to the team, i think that makes a Kakko trade more realistic. Im a critic of VK but time (and winning) heals old wounds and i think theres a Buch level forward in there somewhere.

 

[Machinehead]

I like that we finally have some wings in our lineup who can also slide over.

We no longer have to have those nights where we're 13% on faceoffs and we have to just sit there and watch it because we have no relief for somebody having a shit night.

 

[NYR Viper]

If they mend the fences with Kravtsov over the summer and he can show the locker room hes committed to the team, i think that makes a Kakko trade more realistic. Im a critic of VK but time (and winning) heals old wounds and i think theres a Buch level forward in there somewhere.

Just keep both. It's fantastic to have a couple of high skill RWers and they won't break the bank right away.