Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[Thirty One]

There must be copious amounts of strong pungent fumes in the Vancouver area afflicting the minds of the locals.

Excuse me, some of the brightest minds on this forum are from that area.

 

[CLW]

Excuse me, some of the brightest minds on this forum are from that area.

Even a dim bulb is bright under the right circumstances

 

[mas0764]

I tend to agree.

NYR should be looking to move not only for a better center, but a younger one.

Pettersson is a guy I'd pay a megapackage to get here. That's one trade I'd have K'Andre Miller available in.

And that's ok. We can trade K'Andre Miller.

We still have Jones, Robertson, and Lundkvist.

I understand that Schneider is the apple of their eye, but getting that current 2C/future 1C is so vitally important to bridge this team's window, that's an acceptable payment when Lundkvist, who you should still, you know, kinda like as a prospect, can still be that top 4 of the future.

 

[noupf]

Yeah, I'm not sure I buy this thirst some of my fellow board members think NYR management has for JT, but he's a real good player these days. The COST is the issue. plus the fact that whatever we trade for him, you can basically add Ryan Strome as well. And then come the end of NEXT year we have ZERO to show for it. I certainly don't see him bringing a Cup. So it's basically, Krav, Nils, 2022 1st, and Strome for Miller for 18 months, and then ZERO, with in all likelihood no Cup to show for it.
It just seems like really bad asset management to ME.

Nailed it. After next season is over ( likely without a cup ), then what? There be some big holes in the cupboard and at center ice.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

In the interviews after firing Gorton, Dolan himself said he expected the Rangers to be aggressive when star players become available.

Thanks, I’ll check it out.

 

[RGY]

If the offer to Buffalo for Eichel included Nils, Krav, and a first, plus maybe more, and all available information seems to indicate that it very likely was a package of that or similar, then we should absolutely not be putting that same package together for a far inferior player with no term.

1000% agree.

Although there are two variables with current value compared to then. And those are;

1) Kravtsov’s value dropping slightly because he ran back to Russia, again. And hasn’t played a full season there.

2) Nils perceived value around the league has dropped.

And that could be what makes that* package on the table for Miller. BUT I still don’t see it. Miller is an inferior player to Eichel as you said. The 50% retained, if on the table, would alter the values obviously.

I have given Drury the benefit of the doubt. Hated the Buch trade but I am not going to hold him over the coals forever for that. I got over it a month after it happened. However, this trade deadline could change my tune very fast on Drury. And you know its a slippery slope and so, so easy for all of us here to be armchair GMs and criticize. We are not in the room with Drury and his staff. And I strongly, strongly believe Drury is not negotiating all on his own. He has a good braintrust around him. He is a smart guy to put the right people around him. And we also don’t understand the market of who is really available and not on both sides.

We’ll see what happens over the next 5-6 weeks.

 

[NYR Viper]

I just keep coming back to the fact that Strome, at around $5.25-5.5m on a long term deal (6 years) is pretty much the best choice for now. It kicks the can down the road and the contract is one that can be traded if it is structured properly.

 

[bhamill]

Send them a second and a third rounder for Smith and keep Gauthier . He is worth keeping even if we spot him as the extra forward next season at a cheap deal . Keep Reaves from playing so many games and Gauthier still has that thing called potential/speed /size ....he draws penalties...and is fast...we need fast on this team.

Yeah. That works if we want to pay that price. My point was that there won't be a lot of competition/bidding for whomever Vegas is cutting for cost reasons, because most of the other suitors would need to send cap BACK to Vegas to fit the contracts Vegas wants to cut and Vegas can't accept any back for the exact reasons they are selling in the first place. Hahaha.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Lundkvist, Chytil, Kravtsov, and a first brings back an Eichel-level player, even one who DOESN'T want out. Holy hell, Eichel just went to Vegas for Krebs, Tuch, and a first. You are upping the ante by placing a FOURTH prime asset on the table.

If that's our ammo and the return is 18 months of JT Miller it's a horrendous trade for us. Even if we only expend 3 assets.

Just include the fourth asset and then get a star.

This isn't hard. There is precedent for it over, and over, and over.

JT Miller isn't a needle mover. Jack Eichel is.

Wait for the next Eichel.

Our window isn't closing this year. We don't have to spend all our best assets. Buy low, get Reilly Smith, fine.

Save Nils/Krav/Chytil to spend on a true elite player.

Well said.

 

[DudMan28]

12 months ago I had Kravtsov and Lundkvist firmly contributing this year and beyond. Funny how things can shake out.

I'm not suggesting we sell the farm, but in reality, some of these players will be most valuable as trade chips before they hit their ceiling. I think too many people here get stuck on acquiring a bevy of 21-24 year olds and running head on at the cup for 10 years straight. It never works that way.

I think this team is going to have two distinct windows. The next 1-3 years is going to be one where we go at it with this veteran top 6 group (Kreider/Zib/Panarin/Strome?) with young stars on ELCs/bridges, then a likely retool where we shift to KK/Laf as the focal points.

 

[RGY]

 

[rangers1314]

Ducharme out in MTL.

 

[Fitzy]

I just keep coming back to the fact that Strome, at around $5.25-5.5m on a long term deal (6 years) is pretty much the best choice for now. It kicks the can down the road and the contract is one that can be traded if it is structured properly.

What with Strome's circumstances of arrival and game style being so similar to Brassard's, all we have to do is trade him halfway into his deal for a younger center.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I have no problem trading Krav or Nils for Miller really. Krav is basically a magic bean for other teams at this point and as much as some people don't want to hear it, Nils is nothing special.

Miller isn't a rental so there would have to be something going back that you don't want to give up. I don't know that JT is THE piece but I do know that he would fill several needs while acknowledging that he wouldn't be as productive here since he isn't knocking anyone off of the top PP (maybe Strome, but even then it wouldn't be in JT's normal role.)

 

[Zynbanejad]

Miller and a 1st for Miller. It's Miller time.

 

[tomobson]

Ducharme out in MTL.

Quinn in?

 

[Thirty One]

I have no problem trading Krav or Nils for Miller really. Krav is basically a magic bean for other teams at this point and as much as some people don't want to hear it, Nils is nothing special.

Miller isn't a rental so there would have to be something going back that you don't want to give up. I don't know that JT is THE piece but I do know that he would fill several needs while acknowledging that he wouldn't be as productive here since he isn't knocking anyone off of the top PP (maybe Strome, but even then it wouldn't be in JT's normal role.)

I think he might knock off Strome, but I also kinda like having the idea of someone to take charge of PP2.

 

[rangers1314]

Quinn in?

He's in China at the moment.

 

[Kovalev27]

Again I believe it will be Miller for a first Lundkvist and maybe Robertson or a second in 2023

 

[Guyute]

I know Elias Pettersson would never happen because of the salary cap and cost to acquire him, but I can't think of a better player to be in the Strome spot on our PP. His lefty shot would give us another deadly one-timer option from the right side, which would open up ice for Mika in the slot or Panarin in the OV spot.

This deadline, go get a Reilly Smith if the cost is low thanks to the Eichel situation and another depth center or winger. Please don't give away our best assets for a rental. Not thrilled by the JT Miller idea since he will be costly to trade for and will likely walk at the end of next year when he becomes UFA.

 

[DialUp]

I have no problem trading Krav or Nils for Miller really. Krav is basically a magic bean for other teams at this point and as much as some people don't want to hear it, Nils is nothing special.

Miller isn't a rental so there would have to be something going back that you don't want to give up. I don't know that JT is THE piece but I do know that he would fill several needs while acknowledging that he wouldn't be as productive here since he isn't knocking anyone off of the top PP (maybe Strome, but even then it wouldn't be in JT's normal role.)

JT would be a great piece for us IF our currently leadership group hits a high gear right out of the gate coming out the break (except for Kreider, he probably CAN'T do any more than he has done so far). Someone wise here posted a while back that most star rentals do jack, but instead complimentary pieces are the best bet. Miller as a compliment rather than to fix a problem? Sign me up. But I am not sure the team is there yet this year for a move like that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Quinn in?

God I hope so.

Montreal deserves that

 

[rangers1314]

MTL will announce their new coach later today.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Again I believe it will be Miller for a first Lundkvist and maybe Robertson or a second in 2023

I wouldn't be mad but it seems kind of short sighted to pay that price for 1.5 years of Miller. Rather spend on a player with more term i.e. Rick Nash, Gaborik, etc

 

[Fitzy]

Again I believe it will be Miller for a first Lundkvist and maybe Robertson or a second in 2023

If we compare to our other year and a half acquisitions it looks light.

Martin St Louis + a 2nd for a 1st, a 1st, and an expiring contract with some value (Callahan).

Keith Yandle for a 1st, 2nd, good prospect (Duclair), and young roster player (Moore).

Miller for a 1st, 2nd, Lundkvist, Chytil seems like the comparable. MSL was a bit cheaper I think because he wanted to come here.