Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[mas0764]

Petterson is gonna be a total anchor. He's "bad" Mika or "good" Chytil at this point. Signed for big money, can't win a faceoff for his life, jelly head, isn't trusted to penalty kill on an awful team, hasn't put a pound on in 4 years. Van gonna value him like his Calder year too. Stay away.

Pettersson has exactly 2 years left on his contract after this one at 7.25m a year. And FWIW his first three years PPG averages were 0.93, 0.97, and 0.81. He's at 0.55 this year in a year that looks a lot like a down year for like a Huberdeau or MacKinnon when they were young players.

His Corsi and xG% are both superior to Zibanejad's in that time as well.

I'm super interested to hear more about why he's an anchor.

 

[effen]

Fireable offense.

Pretty sure to not so it is the fireable offense.

 

[haohmaru]

Would you rather give up:

A. Kravtsov, 1st for Hertl (16 games + 1 PO run, call it 20% chance of retaining)

B. Nils, Chytil, 1st for Miller (98 games + 1-2 PO runs, call it 50% chance of retaining)

C. Young asset for young asset that'll spend more than 15 games and 4 playoff games here. Ie... if I'm trading Nils Lundkvist then I'm getting back a similarly aged top 6 forward otherwise I'm standing pat and letting a bunch of these guys get their playoff feet wet.

I don't want a rental. I want a cornerstone.

 

[mas0764]

He's definitely regressed big time. Doesn't seem engaged.

Most of the team seems to have responded to Boudreau, but Petterson still looks lost. It will be very interesting to see if he can turn it around.

Perfect reclamation project for cheap then.

Nils Kravtsov 1st for Pettersson.

 

[mas0764]

A, all day. Kravtsov isn't playing a game for this organization and their first round pick this year will be somewhere in the mid 20s.

Agreed that I take option A if I have to choose.

In reality, I pick neither.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

C. Young asset for young asset that'll spend more than 15 games and 4 playoff games here. Ie... if I'm trading Nils Lundkvist then I'm getting back a similarly aged top 6 forward otherwise I'm standing pat and letting a bunch of these guys get their playoff feet wet.

I don't want a rental. I want a cornerstone.

That's my personal hope as well, for sure. I was curious how people view what IMO Drury is likely to actually do and so intentionally framed it the way I did.

 

[mas0764]

C. Young asset for young asset that'll spend more than 15 games and 4 playoff games here. Ie... if I'm trading Nils Lundkvist then I'm getting back a similarly aged top 6 forward otherwise I'm standing pat and letting a bunch of these guys get their playoff feet wet.

I don't want a rental. I want a cornerstone.

Preach it.

 

[leetch99]

I offer them Nils and Kravy and that is it. Let them go get a better offer somewhere else. And Kravy just because I am not sure the relationship between him/Drury/GG/the locker room/whatever else is salvageable. The Kid has talent to play in this league and some team will give him that shot.

.....and pray like Hell he does not become another Bure with the Canucks . Jovo has done so much preaching on here I am very nervous on moving him until we know exactly how talented he actually is......what are the odds a dumb player could be a great player ? Slim I would guess . Yeah...heck with it...ship his Russian azz outta here !!!!

 

[Thirty One]

.....and pray like Hell he does not become another Bure with the Canucks . Jovo has done so much preaching on here I am very nervous on moving him until we know exactly how talented he actually is......what are the odds a dumb player could be a great player ? Slim I would guess . Yeah...heck with it...ship his Russian azz outta here !!!!

Think he's more likely to be another Fedorov, and not Sergei.

 

[rangers1314]

Luke Richardson is interim HC in MTL

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Jeff Marek mentioned Wild Bill yesterday on his podcast. Why wouldn't Vegas look to move a center when Eichel returns? Elliotte Friedman didn't believe Vegas would move him. He didn't say the quiet part. Which team is taking on that contract in this economy?

Completely agree, they should look to move Karlsson but that would mean someone would actually want him and that contract that seems to be turning into a hindrance in vegas.

But my point is, we the rangers should not be looking at adding him, esp since vegas is strapped over a barrel right now. Not doing them any favors

 

[Thirty One]

Luke Richardson is interim HC in MTL

My dream is they go on a run and their pick falls to 11th and they have to trade it to Arizona.

 

[leetch99]

I wouldn't doubt Carpenter is a target.

Hard to build a good house without a Carpenter !

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Give me Pavelski for a reasonable price and see what it would take to add on Radulov, or give me death.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Fireable offense.

I'm not even huge on Miller but calling that hypothetical trade a 'fireable offense' is beyond hyperbole.

Moving a 1st rounder, after making 9 first round selections in the last 5 drafts, is something you can afford to do - especially with the young talent in the pipeline. Nils is still a very good prospect but we have to be realistic about what the best use of him is. If Schneider is viewed as beating him out for a spot and they see Fox, Trouba and Schneider as their RH core, you kind of HAVE to trade Nils at some point and moving him now makes a hell of a lot more sense in that context than it would to hold onto him for 2-3 years where he never really has a place on this team and then his value kind of peeters out and he's not really worth much anymore. I'm not saying I want to trade Nils but there are very legitimate possible scenarios in the current team building where he simply doesn't have a role here going forward.

A big part of roster building to try and win a Stanley Cup while being very efficient and keeping the pipeline stocked is to make your moves at the right time. Trade someone too soon and he breaks out elsewhere, hold on to someone too long and their value can plummet. We're trying to win a cup here, if you have a really good prospect who doesn't really fit into the construction of your team in the foreseeable future you should be actively looking to maximize his value whether it be in a trade or in making room for him so he can play.

Plus whether we like Miller or not, take his name off of it and think it's just Player A and he's a point per game player who plays all situations and probably the best player overall on his team and he has another year left on his contract so you're getting him for two playoff runs. A player such as that is definitely worth Lundkvist+1st and a B prospect.

 

[Fitzy]

Random thought but had we picked Evan Bouchard (would have been a great pick) over Kravtsov think what the log jam on the right side would be.

 

[Lgrsean]

C. Young asset for young asset that'll spend more than 15 games and 4 playoff games here. Ie... if I'm trading Nils Lundkvist then I'm getting back a similarly aged top 6 forward otherwise I'm standing pat and letting a bunch of these guys get their playoff feet wet.

I don't want a rental. I want a cornerstone.

can you think of any team willing to trade a top 6 21 year old forward for lunkvist or a package where he’s the main piece? Or do you plan on making room for him on the nhl roster?

 

[DudMan28]

What do we think it would cost to acquire Giroux? I think he'd be a great fit here. He's a C, winning 60% of his FO, and can play wing. He's a lefty shot that I think would be great on the PP in Stromes spot. He pretty easily can slide into the onto the 2nd line, or center a 3rd line. I know he's a bit older, but he's put up 35 in 42 this year. He's made his money and might want a few cracks at a cup and could resign for cheaper.

Might be a hard sell for him, and the Flyers, to move him to NYR though

EDIT: Guess he's a righty. Still would be a solid contributor on the PP

 

[Thirty One]

What do we think it would cost to acquire Giroux? I think he'd be a great fit here. He's a C, winning 60% of his FO, and can play wing. He's a lefty shot that I think would be great on the PP in Stromes spot. He pretty easily can slide into the onto the 2nd line, or center a 3rd line. I know he's a bit older, but he's put up 35 in 42 this year. He's made his money and might want a few cracks at a cup and could resign for cheaper.

Might be a hard sell for him, and the Flyers, to move him to NYR though

He's a righty.

 

[NYR Viper]

Ryan Strome isnt signing for $5.5m........I bet he gets over $7m on the open market or $6.5m here, as the "hometown discount".

Ryan Nugent Hopkins.
Phillip Danault.
Charlie Coyle.

Strome is right in this group. Solid 2C’s with some warts

 

[Synergy27]

Random thought but had we picked Evan Bouchard (would have been a great pick) over Kravtsov think what the log jam on the right side would be.

Don’t think he was ever on the radar. I think we all assumed that Wahlstrom was the pick there. He’s fortunately not looking like a game breaking goal scorer, but he’s slot pretty nicely into a middle 6 RW spot on this team.

 

[NYR Viper]

Completely agree, they should look to move Karlsson but that would mean someone would actually want him and that contract that seems to be turning into a hindrance in vegas.

But my point is, we the rangers should not be looking at adding him, esp since vegas is strapped over a barrel right now. Not doing them any favors

Just because it helps Vegas doesn’t mean it also doesn’t help the Rangers. That middle ground is where a deal should be made. This is also why the price should be less for Karlsson

 

[McRanger92]

Petterson is gonna be a total anchor. He's "bad" Mika or "good" Chytil at this point. Signed for big money, can't win a faceoff for his life, jelly head, isn't trusted to penalty kill on an awful team, hasn't put a pound on in 4 years. Van gonna value him like his Calder year too. Stay away.

Also say goodbye to Kakko or Laf. I don’t get why people cream themselves over Pettersson, by all accounts he’s been underwhelming in VAN since signing that bridge deal.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Brett Howden has more points than KK and Laf this year.

What the f***

 

[noupf]

Ryan Nugent Hopkins.
Phillip Danault.
Charlie Coyle.

Strome is right in this group. Solid 2C’s with some warts

yea i didnt realize those guys signed for those dollar amounts. I agree than, he is a $5.5m player