Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[Beer League Sniper]

If we're talking parting with significant assets for JT Miller, we might as well add a bit more and make a real play for Larkin. Larkin solves a problem. Miller, I'm not so sure. Either go big (Larkin), or go cheap (2nd+B prospect-level adds).

 

[Circus86]

If we're talking parting with significant assets for JT Miller, we might as well add a bit more and make a real play for Larkin. Larkin solves a problem. Miller, I'm not so sure. Either go big (Larkin), or go cheap (2nd+B prospect-level adds).

Would Love Larkin but I don't think he is available, unless it's an overpayment. Detroit are trending in the right direction and I think they are planning with him long term.

 

[haohmaru]

There's no doubt that that JT Miller has taken huge strides forward since his tenure here in New York. That being said, I'm wondering if the cost will be worth the "upgrade" to just re-signing Strome. Do I think JT Miller is better, at this point, than Strome? Sure. Do I think JT Miller is that much better than Strome that I'm parting with, say, Lundkvist, Chytil, and a 1st? No. Do I think the Rangers are better served re-signing Strome and using those assets for another top 6 forward or anchor on D? Yes.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't think Lundkvist has done anything to drop his value. He was our top prospect in a highly thought of group of prospects going into this season. He's 21 years old, adjusting to a smaller rink while being paired with our worst defenseman. I can't see his value dropping like that.

This is an article written by the same man who was adamant Stepan was NOT getting traded, 3 hours before it happened. Brooks is great when reporting news but his opinion pieces are... better hidden behind a paywall, let's put it that way.

 

[Anthony5967]

Just because the NYR don't ruin every D prospect like they do with forwards, doesn't mean we CAN'T & won't ruin one or some.

Seriously, wtf forwards have they ruined? Both our blue chip kids are 20. People love to play Monday morning QB. Stepan, Kreider, Buch, etc, all ruined? Come on. I’m so sick of these comments. I wish there was a way to completely do without them. Andersson, Chytil, Krav? Andersson sucks with LAK, bust pick, which is another issue altogether, and Chytil is still young and could develop more with increased ice-time, which we’ve yet to see, and he’s had to deal with, what, 3 coaches now? Or 2? Krav is a red flag but that’s his problem. Come over and play, earn the ice. Play your heart out every shift.

 

[Lgrsean]

Kinkaid is not good enough of a backup. Or are you ok with loosing us most of the games he starts? What if shesty gets hurt? Kinkaid is not good and we all know it. Need at least a backup like Halak.

I think when the biggest problems with a roster are the vezina candidate’s backup and the 13th forward/7th that’s a good sign.

 

[mas0764]

Over the last 3 years, Bread is in the top 5 in scoring among forwards, Mika top 10, JT Miller top 16, Strome top 28, Kreider just outside the top 50. With a 1OA, 2OA, Chytil at wing, and Goodrow rounding out the top 9. Fox 1st in points among defensemen over the last 2 seasons, the rest of the d core is solid and Igor is the favorite for the Vezina. If I can put that group together for 2 playoff runs at the cost of a blocked defense prospect, a late 1st round pick, and a kid that doesn't seem likely to rejoin the team, I go for it. You look at the legit cup contenders and they all are tight against the cap without much money tied up by 7th D men or 13th forwards. The idea of letting Strome walk and hoping Chytil can cut it at 2C next instead just doesn't sound like a winning strategy.

This isn't "without much money tied up by 7th D men or 13th forwards," -- this is not carrying a 7th D man or 13th forward.

It's not possible.

On top of that, your premise that JT Miller is some capstone to a contending top 9 is flawed, because he's not. He's not that good of a player.

He's ok. He's like Ryan Strome. He'll leave us wanting more.

He's not the push us over the top piece.

Hard pass.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

The college student sections had a lot of fun with Kinkaids name when he played for Union.

I bet they toilet papered the trees too and danced on Sundays. Crazy kids.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think when the biggest problems with a roster are the vezina candidate’s backup and the 13th forward/7th that’s a good sign.

And basic math

 

[mas0764]

Are we resigning Strome long term though ? Letting him walk for nothing? Just saying that we get a comparable, and arguably better, player than Strome thats under team control for at least another year with a reasonable cap hit. It buys us another year to figure out the rest. When we'd have to sign JTM we'd know what Kakko + Lafs 2nd contracts looks like and how much we have left for a 2c.

I'm not pushing hard for him, but it's an intriguing option. I think Giroux is the best fit for us.

So we should pay Nils, Lundkvist, and a first to buy ourselves a year to think it over?

Forget about it.

I'll decide now: Pass.

Hey, look at that. I have cap space and assets to go pay a real long term 1B Center the next time one hits the market.

 

[mas0764]

There's no doubt that that JT Miller has taken huge strides forward since his tenure here in New York. That being said, I'm wondering if the cost will be worth the "upgrade" to just re-signing Strome. Do I think JT Miller is better, at this point, than Strome? Sure. Do I think JT Miller is that much better than Strome that I'm parting with, say, Lundkvist, Chytil, and a 1st? No. Do I think the Rangers are better served re-signing Strome and using those assets for another top 6 forward or anchor on D? Yes.

Right.

The Rangers are better just re-signing Strome and then holding onto Nils, Lundkvist, and a first, because those three things equals the next Jack Eichel or Mark Stone who becomes available. Maybe it's Pettersson. We'll see.

Just make sure you can get out of that Strome contract when needed.

PS this is coming from someone who would absolutely trade Strome at the deadline if I got a blow-away offer.

 

[Boris Zubov]

This is an article written by the same man who was adamant Stepan was NOT getting traded, 3 hours before it happened. Brooks is great when reporting news but his opinion pieces are... better hidden behind a paywall, let's put it that way.

It's a slow news cycle for the team & his goal is to sell subscriptions. Sure his pieces are fantasy & not worth paying for, but he keeps the fanbase interested, like him or not.

 

[NYR Viper]

Right.

The Rangers are better just re-signing Strome and then holding onto Nils, Lundkvist, and a first, because those three things equals the next Jack Eichel or Mark Stone who becomes available. Maybe it's Pettersson. We'll see.

Just make sure you can get out of that Strome contract when needed.

PS this is coming from someone who would absolutely trade Strome at the deadline if I got a blow-away offer.

This is the way. Re-sign Strome, give him a long term deal that is front-loaded and a NMC for years 1-3, NTC beyond that. Same structure as Trouba and Kreider. Keep the prospects and picks for a clear upgrade when it becomes available.

 

[Leetch3]

Right.

The Rangers are better just re-signing Strome and then holding onto Nils, Lundkvist, and a first, because those three things equals the next Jack Eichel or Mark Stone who becomes available. Maybe it's Pettersson. We'll see.

Just make sure you can get out of that Strome contract when needed.

PS this is coming from someone who would absolutely trade Strome at the deadline if I got a blow-away offer.

so you are holding onto the pieces the rangers were afraid to trade for jack eichel in hopes of trading for the next jack eichel?

 

[rangers1314]

This is the way. Re-sign Strome, give him a long term deal that is front-loaded and a NMC for years 1-3, NTC beyond that. Same structure as Trouba and Kreider. Keep the prospects and picks for a clear upgrade when it becomes available.

I agree with the above.

The issue is, I keep thinking about what Friedman said last week about NYR and its causing me more and more concern.

Paraphrasing, but he said "NYR are good and Drury knows their owner is impatient. I think they'll try for something big". That scares me to death.

 

[jay from jersey]

If we're talking parting with significant assets for JT Miller, we might as well add a bit more and make a real play for Larkin. Larkin solves a problem. Miller, I'm not so sure. Either go big (Larkin), or go cheap (2nd+B prospect-level adds).

I’m with you.. go balls deep and try to get a Larkin type, or play it safer/ more conservative and Get Copp.
Don’t mess around with Miller/Hertl/Giroux unless the deal is too good to pass up.
Availability is the main issue..

 

[Anthony5967]

I’m with you.. go balls deep and try to get a Larkin type, or play it safer/ more conservative and Get Copp.
Don’t mess around with Miller/Hertl/Giroux unless the deal is too good to pass up

Love the sound of that, Jay

 

[Thirty One]

Are we positive that Larkin is a better player than J.T. Miller?

 

[mas0764]

Seriously, wtf forwards have they ruined? Both our blue chip kids are 20. People love to play Monday morning QB. Stepan, Kreider, Buch, etc, all ruined? Come on. I’m so sick of these comments. I wish there was a way to completely do without them. Andersson, Chytil, Krav? Andersson sucks with LAK, bust pick, which is another issue altogether, and Chytil is still young and could develop more with increased ice-time, which we’ve yet to see, and he’s had to deal with, what, 3 coaches now? Or 2? Krav is a red flag but that’s his problem. Come over and play, earn the ice. Play your heart out every shift.

Come on, dude.

Don't be that homer.

Andersson busted, Chytil is underperforming, Kravtsov was pushed away, Kakko and Lafreniere are underperforming.

There is a team issue. It's not deniable.

 

[mas0764]

Are we positive that Larkin is a better player than J.T. Miller?

I'm kinda not.

And that's not saying I think Miller is that good, I'm saying Larkin may not be.

 

[mas0764]

so you are holding onto the pieces the rangers were afraid to trade for jack eichel in hopes of trading for the next jack eichel?

The Rangers weren't afraid to trade those pieces for Eichel, they were rebuffed.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Are we positive that Larkin is a better player than J.T. Miller?

I think he's better at 5v5, but Miller is better on the PP. Would be nice to add that sort of speed too

 

[bobbop]

Brooks believes Lundkvist's value will drop to zero if Drury doesn't move him.

Some truth to what Larry is saying. Lundqvist was fine with the Rangers but he’s been passed by Schneider. This is not unexpected and something I first discussed many months ago. The problem with shopping a top prospect is that they lose luster if they are not playing and advancing. No question he is being shopped and if the right deal come along, he will be moved.

Larry is a little dramatic but he knows this.

 

[McRanger92]

Would Love Larkin but I don't think he is available, unless it's an overpayment. Detroit are trending in the right direction and I think they are planning with him long term.

Agree on Larkin but you never know with Stevie Y. He is pragmatic and if he can get a haul for Larkin and re-sign him in 2 years when Detroit is closer to contention, he might like that route. We know from @Edge that the Rangers were interested and the Red Wings like Krav & Nils

 

[SA16]

Some truth to what Larry is saying. Lundqvist was fine with the Rangers but he’s been passed by Schneider. This is not unexpected and something I first discussed many months ago. The problem with shopping a top prospect is that they lose luster if they are not playing and advancing. No question he is being shopped and if the right deal come along, he will be moved.

Larry is a little dramatic but he knows this.

Lundqvist was fine? They just retired his number...