Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[LokiDog]

Successful player development coaches aren't necessarily the who's who of NHL 1st liners.

Benoit Allaire, for example, never played a game in the NHL.

And sometimes guys who fought through adversity and had to work their tail off to stay in the show can impart some wisdom regarding hard work and overcoming challenges to the kids. But, on the flip side, it probably wouldn’t hurt to have a high end guy in the mix… Tanner Glass may know a lot about doing whatever the team needs you to do and working hard, but does he know about maximizing your high end skills? Sure, everyone is trying to get better every summer, but is the way a guy like Glass or Ortmeyer makes their game reliable and valuable to a team the same as the way Crosby trains to get *even better* in the off season? I’d wager there are similarities AND differences. I think that guys who had to work for every opportunity they were given have a ton of value for developing young kids. I think that having a guy who knows a thing or two about elevating your game to higher and higher levels is also valuable… especially when you start bringing top 10 draft talents into the mix.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Exactly. Playing is a completely different skill set than coaching/developing players.

and what track record do the 3 of them have? Based on what credentials were they hired?

 

[LokiDog]

Acquire Miller for VK, Nils, 1st then trade him next deadline for similar prospect + 1st?

It’s not without merit… Especially if you can parlay a wing and D prospect into a center that gives you a TON better depth for this season, and then turn around next year and rent him to someone in contention for maybe an actual C prospect? Someone who has a good C prospect ready to break in but is ready to go all in on a Cup run?

 

[Boris Zubov]

I’m with you.. go balls deep and try to get a Larkin type, or play it safer/ more conservative and Get Copp.
Don’t mess around with Miller/Hertl/Giroux unless the deal is too good to pass up.
Availability is the main issue..

Always sound advice. Full stop.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Successful player development coaches aren't necessarily the who's who of NHL 1st liners.

Benoit Allaire, for example, never played a game in the NHL.

Absolutely correct, but can we give someone else a try & find an Allaire for the skaters who can actually get the message across? The current staff isn't working.

 

[jay from jersey]

Some truth to what Larry is saying. Lundqvist was fine with the Rangers but he’s been passed by Schneider. This is not unexpected and something I first discussed many months ago. The problem with shopping a top prospect is that they lose luster if they are not playing and advancing. No question he is being shopped and if the right deal come along, he will be moved.

Larry is a little dramatic but he knows this.

10o% correct Bob.
Is Lundkvist a no value gamble that can be had for a 2nd/3rd?? Of course not.
Is his value as high as it was in the summer when he was right behind Seider for one of the best D outside the NHL? No, I doubt it still is.
He wasn’t terrible on 3rd pair, but he didn’t really stand out as doing anything amazing you would want from a high caliber prospect either...
It’s not all his fault, opportunities are going to be hard to come by for him to showcase that.
He’s not tearing up the AHL either. He still has problems with the physical side of things. I’d expect him to get better there as he gets stronger, but it’s gonna be a tough road for him here

 

[Thirty One]

Acquire Miller for VK, Nils, 1st then trade him next deadline for similar prospect + 1st?

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

BTW what undrafted or late round picks have developed so far under Ortmeyer/Glass/Hunwick? Rangers can afford to hire people with proven record of developing players instead of weird things they keep doing.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Not loving the idea of trading for Miller using the assets the club accumulated after committing to rebuilding the organization and deciding to give that player away for peanuts.

Seems like Reilly Smith, and maybe even Alex Martinez could be players the Rangers could acquire with minimum returns. Maybe even 2nd rounders. Vegas has to move out those salaries. Seems like a perfect swap. RW/C and a LD.

If Chytil, Kravtsov, Lundqvist and or a 1st are being packaged I think it should be to acquire a player with term. Thats a lot of prospects for team looking to get younger, on a rebuild or a re-tool.

Martinez is signed for 2 more years @$5.25 which we can't absorb past this season. I doubt he's on our radar.

 

[pld459666]

I feel like Captain Nathan Algren going through withdrawals

Waking up sweating, screaming "HOCKEY, HOCKEY"

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don't think it is, I think they want to add Miller to the top of the lineup in addition to keeping Strome.

For this season yes, not long term though. If they acquire Miller Strome is gone in the summer

 

[bobbop]

finally our red flags are being noticed and people are speaking up:

What kind of idiot hired Ortmeyer, Hunwick and Tanner Glass as a group that handles player development? 3 players that failed to develop into anything more that 4th liners are developing our young players?

Let me give you a tip; I saw Ortmeyer play in the USHL and would never have given him a chance to be an NHL player. He worked his ass off to get where he did.

You should work as hard as a poster to improve as much as he did as a player.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

BTW the people that advocate drafting "Best player available" even if it is a position we have no need of, how do you plan to solve this LW crisis?:

Kreider
Panarin
Lafreniere
Othmann
Berard
Cuylle


I bet they draft another LW with the 1st pick

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Let me give you a tip; I saw Ortmeyer play in the USHL and would never have given him a chance to be an NHL player. He worked his ass off to get where he did.

You should work as hard as a poster to improve as much as he did as a player.

again, who has he successfully developed so far?

 

[DanielBrassard]

For this season yes, not long term though. If they acquire Miller Strome is gone in the summer

If they can get him at 50%, that doesn't have to be the case.

 

[McRanger92]

If they can get him at 50%, that doesn't have to be the case.

I doubt Van retains, their motivation is to move out cap and replenish the farm. I think theyd need to pay to have a team like Arizona launder the contract, which i would be open to

 

[DanielBrassard]

I doubt Van retains, their motivation is to move out cap and replenish the farm. I think theyd need to pay to have a team like Arizona launder the contract, which i would be open to

I'd be somewhat surprised if they don't retain just simply because there really aren't many teams who can acquire him without retention. I'm sure they'd prefer not to but it will increase the return and they probably won't be competing next year either.

 

[haohmaru]

again, who has he successfully developed so far?

Ortmeyer was hired in June 2017. It's not like he has a decade of no results under his belt. Most of the players drafted since he's been with the organization are 22 years old or less or much less.

Draft picks that have played in the NHL since 2017?

Andersson
Chytil
Barron
Kravtsov
Miller
Lundkvist
Keane
Jones
Kakko
Lafreniere
Schneider

5 of them have played over a hundred NHL games. What's your metric?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If they can get him at 50%, that doesn't have to be the case.

I don’t see how they’re paying Strome 6 million a year, plus Miller at 50% and then the others they need to sign

it’s def one or the other with Miller and Strome

 

[McRanger92]

I don’t see how they’re paying Strome 6 million a year, plus Miller at 50% and then the others they need to sign

it’s def one or the other with Miller and Strome

Replace Chytil with Miller @ 50% retained and its only a .3 mil increase. Its doable.

 

[Circus86]

I'm on board with Riley Smith and maybe some other pieces from Vegas. Could be acquired cheaply. JT Miller has a great season but I just don't like the idea of acquiring Miller for more than what we got for him and McDonagh.

 

[RGY]

I am on board with getting JT Miller and Reilly Smith. Giordano would be a bonus. Send out Nemeth and Chytil among other parts.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Strome-Smith
Goodrow-Miller-Kakko
Reaves-Rooney-Hunt/Blais (if he returns)
Gauthier/Mckegg

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Giordano-Schneider

 

[SA16]

I'm on board with Riley Smith and maybe some other pieces from Vegas. Could be acquired cheaply. JT Miller has a great season but I just don't like the idea of acquiring Miller for more than what we got for him and McDonagh.

What does one have anything to do with the other? When we traded Miller his career high was 56 points in 82 games. The last 3 years he has 162 points in 166 games. Of course he will cost more now.

 

[NYR Viper]

Those other two contracts that are working out so great for us- let’s do it again for a player worth even less.

Im not talking the same cap hit. If the Rangers approached either player, who by the way are helping lead this team towards contention this season, they would pick their spots and go. Edge has mentioned this already. It’s not as big of a hindrance as many fear in terms of trades.

 

[Anthony5967]

BTW the people that advocate drafting "Best player available" even if it is a position we have no need of, how do you plan to solve this LW crisis?:

Kreider
Panarin
Lafreniere
Othmann
Berard
Cuylle


I bet they draft another LW with the 1st pick

Laf or Kreider is going to have to become a RW. Gallant needs to try this out until the deadline. Othmann can play RW, he says, and so can Berard.