Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[Tob]

1.5 months

 

[SA16]

Im not talking the same cap hit. If the Rangers approached either player, who by the way are helping lead this team towards convention this season, they would pick their spots and go. Edge has mentioned this already. It’s not as big of a hindrance as many fear in terms of trades.

I think this is being extremely hopeful. Trouba requested a trade and specifically wanted to come here. Kreider has been in the organization for 13 years, is having his best year, and is one of the main leaders on the team. There is no reason either of them would accept a trade as the team is moving into contention just to help the organization out of a cap mess that they caused. It's not impossible but I certainly would not bank on this as a solution.

 

[Circus86]

What does one have anything to do with the other? When we traded Miller his career high was 56 points in 82 games. The last 3 years he has 162 points in 166 games. Of course he will cost more now.

Yes. And that is exactly why we shouldn't go for him. His price to aquire him currently as high it ever will be tbh. He has had 3 great years and is on a good contract for next year. But he is getting older and his production will drop in the upcoming years + after next season when he demands 7mil + his value will start falling. Don't like buying players when the price is at the peak. But yeah, this is only my opinion, I can see why people want him.

On the other note. Do we even know if he wants to play here? We traded him away because the organization didn't believe in him. I don't think the retool was the reason for the trade, I mean, he was still really young at the time of the trade.

 

[Crease]

1.5 months

Until next game?

 

[McRanger92]

I think this is being extremely hopeful. Trouba requested a trade and specifically wanted to come here. Kreider has been in the organization for 13 years, is having his best year, and is one of the main leaders on the team. There is no reason either of them would accept a trade as the team is moving into contention just to help the organization out of a cap mess that they caused. It's not impossible but I certainly would not bank on this as a solution.

Neither is going anywhere until one of their young players forces their hand. Trading either guy is a "break in case of emergency move" and id bet against it happening for at least 2-3 years.

 

[NYR Viper]

If the team is going after a center it should be William Karlsson. He has term, fits the need of a good 2-way center and is the right age. If someone supplants him, his game can transition well to a 3rd line role in a Jordan Staal-like role.

If you’re giving me the option of:

Kravtsov + Pajuniemi + 1st for Karlsson or Miller, it’s Karlsson for me because of his style, contract term and how he would effect THIS team.

I also doubt Karlsson costs what Miller will cost.

 

[SA16]

Yes. And that is exactly why we shouldn't go for him. His price to aquire him currently as high it ever will be tbh. He has had 3 great years and is on a good contract for next year. But he is getting older and his production will drop in the upcoming years + after next season when he demands 7mil + his value will start falling. Don't like buying players when the price is at the peak. But yeah, this is only my opinion, I can see why people want him.

On the other note. Do we even know if he wants to play here? We traded him away because the organization didn't believe in him. I don't think the retool was the reason for the trade, I mean, he was still really young at the time of the trade.

Well after next year doesn't matter. The point would be to have him for a run this year and the year after at a good price. His value after that is irrelevant since the plan would most likely be to keep him for two years and then let him walk in FA.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think this is being extremely hopeful. Trouba requested a trade and specifically wanted to come here. Kreider has been in the organization for 13 years, is having his best year, and is one of the main leaders on the team. There is no reason either of them would accept a trade as the team is moving into contention just to help the organization out of a cap mess that they caused. It's not impossible but I certainly would not bank on this as a solution.

Again, I’m not banking on anything. This is what Edge has reported as fact around the NHL in terms of NMC’s. It’s more a ‘pick your spot’ than an outright ‘no chance I’m moving’

 

[SA16]

Again, I’m not banking on anything. This is what Edge has reported as fact around the NHL in terms of NMC’s. It’s more a ‘pick your spot’ than an outright ‘no chance I’m moving’

It's what he's said. It's not a fact. Everyone is different. Name a logical reason either of these two would approve a trade? There isn't one. And I agree with, in general, they don't matter and players waive them but it is different for someone who was known to want a trade to NY and someone who has been in the organization for 13 years. I don't buy "they will feel unwanted" as a logical reason. They know the reason it's being explored is because of a cap issue not because the team doesn't like them or think they are good anymore. The tax issue isn't one either because if they were concerned about that they wouldn't have signed long term in NY in the first place. There's no reason to think trading one of these two would be a viable solution to alleviate the cap crunch. If they're willing, great, but I think it is extremely unlikely.

And this is part of the reason why the time to trade Trouba was two years ago, after his first year, and after we saw what we had with Fox (and DeAngelo at the time). His NMC hadn't kicked in yet.

 

[Alluckks]

No you may not, good day.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Again, I’m not banking on anything. This is what Edge has reported as fact around the NHL in terms of NMC’s. It’s more a ‘pick your spot’ than an outright ‘no chance I’m moving’

Yes, this has been discussed more than once and it's true. a NMC is more about having a say in where you land next. For that reason, a Trouba trade in 2023 makes the most sense. Think about it.

Scenario A: You waive your NMC in 2023, to pick your destination. A spot you and your wife agree on.

Scenario B: Your NMC expires, and turns into a M-NTC for 15 teams. Now, you're no longer in charge of where you go, and can land somewhere completely random.

Going with Scenario A is the smart move.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Well after next year doesn't matter. The point would be to have him for a run this year and the year after at a good price. His value after that is irrelevant since the plan would most likely be to keep him for two years and then let him walk in FA.

Terrible asset management.

 

[mas0764]

So how much cap room does Tampa, Florida, Colorado, or Carolina have and what are they paying their 13th forward and 7th d man?

Irrelevant. The Rangers aren’t putting together a 20 man team next season. They need 22 and your roster doesn’t have cap space to accommodate it.

 

[SA16]

Yes, this has been discussed more than once and it's true. a NMC is more about having a say in where you land next. For that reason, a Trouba trade in 2023 makes the most sense. Think about it.

Scenario A: You waive your NMC in 2023, to pick your destination. A spot you and your wife agree on.

Scenario B: Your NMC expires, and turns into a M-NTC for 15 teams. Now, you're no longer in charge of where you go, and can land somewhere completely random.

Going with Scenario A is the smart move.

Scenario B does not occur for Trouba until 2024-25. By that time things in the organization could have totally changed. That's two more full seasons. For a player like him a 15 team NTC is almost as good as a full one anyway since he can just block the teams that have no chance of affording his contract.

 

[SA16]

Terrible asset management.

What? That's how everything works. If nobody was allowed to walk there would not be a single player in FA. You can not just trade everyone away at the deadline every year.

 

[mas0764]

Replace Chytil with Miller @ 50% retained and its only a .3 mil increase. Its doable.

So Chytil is out too?

What a train wreck this will turn out to be.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

What? That's how everything works. If nobody was allowed to walk there would not be a single player in FA. You can not just trade everyone away at the deadline every year.

Im talking about us, the rangers giving up all of those high end pieces for a guy that will play a season and a half for us and has no future with this franchise beyond that. Then to have to let him walk in UFA is just in my eyes a terrible way to use those assets.

There has to be a trade for a long term answer and using those high end pieces are what will hopefully get us that. If we use them on JT miller and he walks in two years we are in the same boat as before with no answer at center and less high end pieces left to deal for that center of need.

idk just my opinion

 

[mas0764]

They had the right idea trying to get Eichel. They need to go back to that concept instead of trying to get more 29 year olds.

 

[MrAlmost]

Zach Sanford might be a good, cheap 3rd line LW. Could probably be resigned to a 3 or 4 year extension for $2.25-2.5. Only 27.

 

[Circus86]

If the ask for Miller at 50% is something like Kravtsov, Miller/Schneider + 1st then Drury should hang up the phone immediately. I'm propably in the minority here, but I wouldn't do JT Miller for Schneider straight up. Miller would be here for 1,5 years, when we still have no real chance at the cup, atleast not until KK/Laf break out. Schneider has a chance to be a top 4D for 10 years for our organization. No way I'm trading him at this point. Especially when he is the ideal Trouba replacement, who will have to go I think after next season because our cap situation.

 

[SA16]

Im talking about us, the rangers giving up all of those high end pieces for a guy that will play a season and a half for us and has no future with this franchise beyond that. Then to have to let him walk in UFA is just in my eyes a terrible way to use those assets.

There has to be a trade for a long term answer and using those high end pieces are what will hopefully get us that. If we use them on JT miller and he walks in two years we are in the same boat as before with no answer at center and less high end pieces left to deal for that center of need.

idk just my opinion

There's no real long term answer at the moment due to the salary cap though. Panarin/Kreider/Trouba/Mika/Fox/Shesterkin/Goodrow are all locked in as taking up a large portion of the gap going forward. We can't really afford to bring in one of those long term answer pieces. If you can trade Kreider/Trouba yea that would obviously do it but I really don't think that is realistic for a few years. The next best option to me seems to be to deal it for someone like Miller, or when we got Yandle, or when the Lighting got Goodrow. Someone who is underpriced now, will give you two playoff runs, and can be made even cheaper if needed with retention. Seems like a better option than hanging on to prospects who we don't have a spot for in our lineup or picks who won't even be on the team making an impact until Panarin's contract is over.

 

[Tob]

The media is such a wart. Panthers sign an undrafted OHL goalie that is like #6 on an NHL team depth chart and these scumbags are saying "oooo? fueling panthers trade speculations?" that a team picked up a completely free asset that has a 5% chance of being an NHLer. All this frenzy over nothing. Dragging hard working posters on our board into the mud and shit on the mainboards.

 

[mas0764]

There's no real long term answer at the moment due to the salary cap though. Panarin/Kreider/Trouba/Mika/Fox/Shesterkin/Goodrow are all locked in as taking up a large portion of the gap going forward. We can't really afford to bring in one of those long term answer pieces. If you can trade Kreider/Trouba yea that would obviously do it but I really don't think that is realistic for a few years. The next best option to me seems to be to deal it for someone like Miller, or when we got Yandle, or when the Lighting got Goodrow. Someone who is underpriced now, will give you two playoff runs, and can be made even cheaper if needed with retention. Seems like a better option than hanging on to prospects who we don't have a spot for in our lineup or picks who won't even be on the team making an impact until Panarin's contract is over.

Well then they are locking themselves into a future where they aren’t winning a Cup.

 

[McRanger92]

So Chytil is out too?

What a train wreck this will turn out to be.

Regardless of what happens with JTM, id start saying your goodbyes to Filip. Coaching staff doesn't trust him and he's off his ELC already. Id say the only thing that can save him is a big second half. Im not holding my breath

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

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