Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[kovazub94]

tough to call... it’s not like having shesty/Geo/panarin (Buch for a bit)helped the kravtsov situation....
Another Finn might be what he needs, or some older vet to really take him under their wing. He’s so tentative and cautious it’s frustrating.

Don't see what one situation has to do with another.

 

[haohmaru]

Let's pry Namestnikov from Detroit and trade him for Miller.

 

[Thirty One]

Let's pry Namestnikov from Detroit and trade him for Miller.

Think Vancouver would want more. Throw in Hajek?

 

[RangerBoy]

Let's pry Namestnikov from Detroit and trade him for Miller.

Namestnikov and Hajek for Miller.

 

[RangerBoy]

Think Vancouver would want more. Throw in Hajek?

Yep

 

[savebyrichter94]

Strome is the marginally better player and has significantly better character than Miller (and proven chemistry with our team). Let alone the fact that we’d have to give up assets.

Yea but what’s his Bozo per 60 rating?

 

[pld459666]

Strome is the marginally better player and has significantly better character than Miller (and proven chemistry with our team). Let alone the fact that we’d have to give up assets.

No, hes not.

Where Strome has needed Panarin to revive his career, Miller has not had the same winger and still posted better numbers THAN Strome.

Miller is more physical, a better goal scorer.

Both happen to be defensively deficient

 

[Lgrsean]

That roster doesn't work. It has exactly 20 players on it, 12 forwards, 6 defense, 2 goalies. No extras at all? You are short two salaries! And Kakko at only $2.3, keep dreaming.

This is fantasy. It will not happen, it will not work, and on top of all that it's assuming JT Miller at 50% which also is not going to fly for a Vancouver team with cap issues itself and wants a haul for Miller even without retention. I'm not paying an inflated price for Miller just to have them keep 50% of the cap charge.

This is a day dream, time to move on.

Over the last 3 years, Bread is in the top 5 in scoring among forwards, Mika top 10, JT Miller top 16, Strome top 28, Kreider just outside the top 50. With a 1OA, 2OA, Chytil at wing, and Goodrow rounding out the top 9. Fox 1st in points among defensemen over the last 2 seasons, the rest of the d core is solid and Igor is the favorite for the Vezina. If I can put that group together for 2 playoff runs at the cost of a blocked defense prospect, a late 1st round pick, and a kid that doesn't seem likely to rejoin the team, I go for it. You look at the legit cup contenders and they all are tight against the cap without much money tied up by 7th D men or 13th forwards. The idea of letting Strome walk and hoping Chytil can cut it at 2C next instead just doesn't sound like a winning strategy.

 

[LokiDog]

He is reportedly very unadventurous sexually.

I’m here to rebut this rumor. He doesn’t need the nickname kinky because his name is literally Kink Aide. He actually runs a dungeon and his nickname is Daddy Dom.

 

[Thirty One]

I’m here to rebut this rumor. He doesn’t need the nickname kinky because his name is literally Kink Aide. He actually runs a dungeon and his nickname is Daddy Dom.

Are you vetted?

 

[rangers1314]

Are you vetted?

Oh boy is he ever.

 

[LokiDog]

Are you vetted?

I can’t reveal my sources or whether or not I have visited said dungeon, but you can be pretty confident that his blocker isn’t the only paddle he’s wielding.

 

[Fitzy]

The college student sections had a lot of fun with Kinkaids name when he played for Union.

 

[DudMan28]

Is Miller actually better than Strome? Isn't paying an asset haul, and then letting Strome walk, basically wasting assets for no upgrade or minimal upgrade? All you get out of that transaction is a loss of your top tradable assets and 1 extra year of whatever the difference is between Strome and Miller, at which time Miller will want a big raise that you just told Strome you couldn't afford to hand out.

You need a long term player, or a player who you will feel comfortable committing to as an upgrade over Strome. Miller is neither. He's a rental with an extra 12 months on his contract. He's not a long term piece, he's not a core component, he's not an upgrade to our top 6, that's just an extended rental.

Are we resigning Strome long term though ? Letting him walk for nothing? Just saying that we get a comparable, and arguably better, player than Strome thats under team control for at least another year with a reasonable cap hit. It buys us another year to figure out the rest. When we'd have to sign JTM we'd know what Kakko + Lafs 2nd contracts looks like and how much we have left for a 2c.

I'm not pushing hard for him, but it's an intriguing option. I think Giroux is the best fit for us.

 

[jay from jersey]

Don't see what one situation has to do with another.

Just having 1 or more guys from the same country Is no guarantee he’s going to acclimate faster..
In certain situations it’s definitely advantageous with language barrier, certain cultural commonalities etc
But I guess depending on who/how old the guy is would be the main point.
I’m not sure what you be better for kakko, an older mentor/role model, or a guy his age, that makes him feel more comfortable. More like one of his peers.
Certain things about having Nemeth helped Lundkvist, others imo didn’t..
We had a few Russian players of various ages, that didn’t seem to help krav keep his head on straight or act more grounded...

 

[Fitzy]

Are we resigning Strome long term though ? Letting him walk for nothing? Just saying that we get a comparable, and arguably better, player than Strome thats under team control for at least another year with a reasonable cap hit. It buys us another year to figure out the rest. When we'd have to sign JTM we'd know what Kakko + Lafs 2nd contracts looks like and how much we have left for a 2c.

I'm not pushing hard for him, but it's an intriguing option. I think Giroux is the best fit for us.

Drury is doing his due diligence with Strome contract negotiations but if they can’t find a team friendly deal edge has said from day one that the rangers are fine letting him leave for nothing.

We aren’t in the stage of the rebuild where every expiring contract gets dealt at this point.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Nah, they just look at some of their old videos when they weren't playing in man's league and reminisce

His confidence must be destroyed.

 

[LORDE]

So Nils, who we all talked about as being one of the better D prospects not in the NHL before the season started, is on the verge of having zero value 5 months into his professional career?

Just because the NYR don't ruin every D prospect like they do with forwards, doesn't mean we CAN'T & won't ruin one or some.

 

[Circus86]

so you’re good w the roster if it fits under the cap?

$17.3M - Ck/mz/chytil
$17.9M - Bread/Miller/goodrow
$9.3M - Laf/strome/kakko
$3.4M - Hunt/barron/reaves
$47.9M - Forwards

$12.5M - Lindgren/fox
$8.9M - Miller/trouba
$1.9M - Jones/Schneider
$23.3M - Defensemen

$5.6M - Igor
$825k - Kinkaid
$6.425M - Goalies

$77.625M - Total
$3.43M - dead cap
$1.4M cap space

Kinkaid is not good enough of a backup. Or are you ok with loosing us most of the games he starts? What if shesty gets hurt? Kinkaid is not good and we all know it. Need at least a backup like Halak.

 

[LORDE]

Is Miller actually better than Strome? Isn't paying an asset haul, and then letting Strome walk, basically wasting assets for no upgrade or minimal upgrade? All you get out of that transaction is a loss of your top tradable assets and 1 extra year of whatever the difference is between Strome and Miller, at which time Miller will want a big raise that you just told Strome you couldn't afford to hand out.

You need a long term player, or a player who you will feel comfortable committing to as an upgrade over Strome. Miller is neither. He's a rental with an extra 12 months on his contract. He's not a long term piece, he's not a core component, he's not an upgrade to our top 6, that's just an extended rental.

Preach!

 

[TheBloodyNine]

So Nils, who we all talked about as being one of the better D prospects not in the NHL before the season started, is on the verge of having zero value 5 months into his professional career?

Yeah that is wildly crazy old man yelling at clouds logic out of Larry.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Are you hearing that "from a friend"? It's ok either way.

I heard it from Eliot Freedman and Frank Seravaspaghettti

 

[DudMan28]

Drury is doing his due diligence with Strome contract negotiations but if they can’t find a team friendly deal edge has said from day one that the rangers are fine letting him leave for nothing.

We aren’t in the stage of the rebuild where every expiring contract gets dealt at this point.

Yeah that makes sense. We could always use the same assets we'd ship out for JTM to replace Strome over the summer, if needed

 

[kovazub94]

Just having 1 or more guys from the same country Is no guarantee he’s going to acclimate faster..
In certain situations it’s definitely advantageous with language barrier, certain cultural commonalities etc
But I guess depending on who/how old the guy is would be the main point.
I’m not sure what you be better for kakko, an older mentor/role model, or a guy his age, that makes him feel more comfortable. More like one of his peers.
Certain things about having Nemeth helped Lundkvist, others imo didn’t..
We had a few Russian players of various ages, that didn’t seem to help krav keep his head on straight or act more grounded...

Kravtsov situation has nothing to do with acclimation.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Kinkaid is not good enough of a backup. Or are you ok with loosing us most of the games he starts? What if shesty gets hurt? Kinkaid is not good and we all know it. Need at least a backup like Halak.

So you can spend 1-1.2 on your backup instead of 825k on Kinkaid and we still have 1m in cap space.

Kinkaid is not a reliable backup for an NHL team trying to contend, not unless Shesty is going to start 70 games a season. I think Kinkaid is a good guy but he's not really someone you should be planning on being your NHL backup. I think he sucks and the only reason people are kind of okay with him is because Georgiev was so horrible last season and early this season that it drove people to wanting Kinkaid despite the fact that he also sucks.

I think with 1.25m could get us a very solid veteran backup though so it's not worth worrying too much about as long as we're rid of Geo and his cap hit.