Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[mas0764]

That is one impressive temper if it was able to scare SIX different wingers into out-performing Kravtsov this pre-season. I didn't know Drury had in in him.

That didn’t happen.

 

[mas0764]

I haven’t misrepresented anything. You did the math, and it showed the rangers can fit strome and jt Miller retained. In fact, they can fit chytil aa well. Strome at $6.25M/yr isn’t well below his value. Neither is $2.3M for Kakko, or $825K for Kinkaid. These are the only signings I’m suggesting.

Nothing here is a pipe dream. There’s actually only 1 guy being added to the roster who isn’t currently on the rangers and it makes a lot more sense than your suggestion to start the year with chytil at 2c.

and to answer your question about Laf and kandre, $3.4m in dead cap space is up, along with reaves contract and moving goodrow if necessary.

I don’t know if you are intentionally misrepresenting but the math isn’t as easy as you are making it seem.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Would love to accommodate VGK’s impending cap issue by relieving them of Karlsson and having a 3rd party launder 1 mil.

 

[bleedblue94]

Nah, they just look at some of their old videos when they weren't playing in man's league and reminisce

First thing I notice here is he gets into shooting positions and he lets it rip. He is averaging just over a shot per game and he usually isnt putting himself in shooting positions. Hopefully with some more time that confidence comes back to him.

 

[Fitzy]

Would love to accommodate VGK’s impending cap issue by relieving them of Karlsson and having a 3rd party launder 1 mil.

Karlsson has fewer points than Brett Howden this year despite playing almost twice the minutes and plenty of power play time.

So even with retention, I'm caddy about that contract.

See my issue so far this break is that everyone is looking to find ways to upgrade on Ryan Strome, but then they are throwing out these names that have very similar strengths and weaknesses to Ryan.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Kakko and Lafreniere creamed their hockey pants watching that kind of talent.

Yeah, there definitely weren't any mouth watering highlights of Lafreniere and Kakko before they were drafted.

 

[Lgrsean]

I don’t know if you are intentionally misrepresenting but the math isn’t as easy as you are making it seem.

Its 3 free agent signings and trading for jt Miller. What is being misrepresented? What is so difficult about this that it makes more sense to go into next season w chytil as our 2c instead?

 

[bleedblue94]

Karlsson has fewer points than Brett Howden this year despite playing almost twice the minutes and plenty of power play time.

So even with retention, I'm caddy about that contract.

See my issue so far this break is that everyone is looking to find ways to upgrade on Ryan Strome, but then they are throwing out these names that have very similar strengths and weaknesses to Ryan.

william karlsson's strengths and weaknesses are very different than stromes. the thing with karlsson is he is the 3c on this team, he is not a strome replacement. I know the money doesnt work after this year if we resign strome, but for this roster right now karlsson slots as a 3c.

if you want to get crazy would you trade for karlsson in a three team deal and pay the yotes hefty to retain 50% for the remaining 5 years? would you deal chytil to vegas and then give the yotes kravtsov and another PRIME asset to retain 2.95mil a year for the next 5 years? they have indicated they are willing to retain on other contracts to land more futures, so do you take your swing here with that hoping to also leave money to resign strome? Could we take on a bloated deal like stralman and eriksson who this year are making a combined 7.5 mil to try to make some financial help for the yotes in the short term (and help offset some of the retention $$) while they need to come up with all this money for the asu project and everything else? I just wonder how creative we might get here. With so much cap space this year I would really like to see us look outside the box here...

 

[MrAlmost]

Karlsson has fewer points than Brett Howden this year despite playing almost twice the minutes and plenty of power play time.

So even with retention, I'm caddy about that contract.

See my issue so far this break is that everyone is looking to find ways to upgrade on Ryan Strome, but then they are throwing out these names that have very similar strengths and weaknesses to Ryan.

Makes you wonder if its something in the water in MSG doesn't it?

When I was a kid I wanted to play for the Rangers. Thinking about it now if I could play in the NHL, I might play for every team but the Rangers.

 

[Kovalev27]

Have me blocked? I posted that on the last page

Nah just saw it and posted didn’t check to see if anyone had lol

 

[bleedblue94]

I mean any attempt to compare laf or kakko to bedard is going to look silly, it is like comparing hischer to matthews...

 

[Kovalev27]

Christ watching that zegras video. All that confidence all that personality. Friggen Kakko is afraid of his own shadow. Ugh

 

[mas0764]

Its 3 free agent signings and trading for jt Miller. What is being misrepresented? What is so difficult about this that it makes more sense to go into next season w chytil as our 2c instead?

I have looked at the math many times on Capfriendly, if we re-sign Strome and Kakko, you aren't adding anything else of substance.

I'm not weighing in on anything related to Chytil and where he should play.

The Rangers have 10.6m in projected cap space for next year with 8 forwards, 7 defensemen, and 1 goalie that are on their current roster, under contract. Notable players without contracts include Strome, Kakko, Georgiev, Hajek, Blais, Gauthier, McKegg, and Rooney.

That means the Rangers need to sign/bring aboard/promote at least 5 forwards and a backup goalie with that 10.6m.

Clearing out Nemeth is not gonna get it done. I think it will be tight simply giving Strome $5m+. It will be impossible if you also plan on having JT Miller, even with money retained by another team.

 

[bleedblue94]

Christ watching that zegras video. All that confidence all that personality. Friggen Kakko is afraid of his own shadow. Ugh

and it directly shows in the way they carry themselves on the ice.

I remember that promo video that msg did on kakko when he first game to nyc after the draft and they took down shortly after posting. I know kids/people are all different, but he was so overwhelmed in the video and just seemed uncomfortable. I think in many ways kakko needs to continue his development as a person and having general confidence in himself and his game will follow. He is going to be a longer team project. Laf is the kid that next year I am looking for a significant step forward.

 

[MrAlmost]

william karlsson's strengths and weaknesses are very different than stromes. the thing with karlsson is he is the 3c on this team, he is not a strome replacement. I know the money doesnt work after this year if we resign strome, but for this roster right now karlsson slots as a 3c.

if you want to get crazy would you trade for karlsson in a three team deal and pay the yotes hefty to retain 50% for the remaining 5 years? would you deal chytil to vegas and then give the yotes kravtsov and another PRIME asset to retain 2.95mil a year for the next 5 years? they have indicated they are willing to retain on other contracts to land more futures, so do you take your swing here with that hoping to also leave money to resign strome? Could we take on a bloated deal like stralman and eriksson who this year are making a combined 7.5 mil to try to make some financial help for the yotes in the short term (and help offset some of the retention $$) while they need to come up with all this money for the asu project and everything else? I just wonder how creative we might get here. With so much cap space this year I would really like to see us look outside the box here...

It is a good idea, but I just don't think anyone will retain that much for that long. 5 years is a long time to eat 50%.

 

[bleedblue94]

It is a good idea, but I just don't think anyone will retain that much for that long. 5 years is a long time to eat 50%.

oh I know it is extremely unlikely, that is why you need to make it worth their while. also if you are able to eat say 5mil of what is remaining this year with those two garbage contracts than you are paying arz to retain roughly 10mil difference over 5 years. that isnt crippling and it would expire by the time they need to actually start considering resigning their next wave of talent. as I said, nyr would have to compensate them appropriately.

 

[Kovalev27]

and it directly shows in the way they carry themselves on the ice.

I remember that promo video that msg did on kakko when he first game to nyc after the draft and they took down shortly after posting. I know kids/people are all different, but he was so overwhelmed in the video and just seemed uncomfortable. I think in many ways kakko needs to continue his development as a person and having general confidence in himself and his game will follow. He is going to be a longer team project. Laf is the kid that next year I am looking for a significant step forward.

completely

that kid needs to find himself as a person get comfortable in his own skin before he ever does on the ice

hockey gods just love to F with us

Hockey God 1: hey guys this isn’t looking good rangers are poised to pick this zegras kid we all know is going to be a star. We can’t have that. What do we do?

(Everyone thinking)

Hockey God 2: should we just give them a break for once?

(Everyone Noooooo!)

Hockey God 3: I’ve got an idea, hear me out let’s make them win the draft lottery…

(Commotion/Anger/yelling)

Hockey God 4: you want to give them Jack Hughes are you nuts?!?!

Hockey God 3: no no listen. Let them win #2 overall. Everyone loves that awkward Finnish kid tearing it up right now. We all know he’s not as good as he’s showing right now. They’ll be forced to take him and not zegras and at best they’ll get a middle 6 defensive guy as usual

(silence)

Hockey God 1: that’s brilliant!!!! It’s so so painful and delicious. I love it!

(everyone erupts in celebration!)

 

[mas0764]

$10.6m Cap Space (Projected - '22-'23) New York Rangers Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
- Nemeth ($2.5m) (say you find a buyer to take him on completely)
________________________
$13.1m (now you need 5 forwards, 1 defenseman, and 1 goalie)

- $5.5m Strome
_____________
$7.6m
-$3m Kakko
____________
$4.6m
- $0.875m Kinkaid
___________
$3.725m (now you need 3 forwards, 1 defenseman still)

You aren't getting JT Miller aboard with that.

Even 4 minimum salary players will cost you $3.2m-ish, which leaves you with half a mil in space, and they will want some breathing room in season. Even Miller with 50% retained is unaffordable.

It's not possible to have both Miller and Strome unless Kreider or Trouba is moved. MAYBE you could squeak by if Goodrow is moved and Miller is at 50%, but I doubt it.

But then you also have a shallow roster full of Greg McKeggs. Because this means no Blais, no Rooney, no Gauthier resigned.

Earmarking just $3m for Kakko is also how you lose him to an offer sheet. So.... no thanks to any of this.

 

[Boris Zubov]

with Patches our with surgery it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if someone out there miraculously has to go on IR and can’t come back until playoff time...

Pacioretty has been back in the lineup for a couple of weeks now. Once Eichel & Martinez are ready it's D-Day for Vegas.

 

[mas0764]

completely

that kid needs to find himself as a person get comfortable in his own skin before he ever does on the ice

hockey gods just love to F with us

Hockey God 1: hey guys this isn’t looking good rangers are poised to pick this zegras kid we all know is going to be a star. We can’t have that. What do we do?

(Everyone thinking)

Hockey God 2: should we just give them a break for once?

(Everyone Noooooo!)

Hockey God 3: I’ve got an idea, hear me out let’s make them win the draft lottery…

(Commotion/Anger/yelling)

Hockey God 4: you want to give them Jack Hughes are you nuts?!?!

Hockey God 3: no no listen. Let them win #2 overall. Everyone loves that awkward Finnish kid tearing it up right now. We all know he’s not as good as he’s showing right now. They’ll be forced to take him and not zegras and at best they’ll get a middle 6 defensive guy as usual

(silence)

Hockey God 1: that’s brilliant!!!! It’s so so painful and delicious. I love it!

(everyone erupts in celebration!)

If only Edmonton hadn't been stupid, and instead had accepted that trade of Buch for 8OA.

Would have been better for both teams.

 

[Kovalev27]

Vegas isn’t going to be dumb enough to move Stephenson are they?

 

[Paul Padovano]

The Hockey Writers make claim that the Rangers have shown interest in Detroit's Troy Stecher, Nick Leddy, and Vlad Namestikov. Idk how reputable the source, but none of these names appear to make much sense from a Rangers perspective, imo...although I've always liked Nick Leddy. Veteran puck mover, can play special teams, responsible in his own zone. Reminds me of Tomas Kaberle.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Vegas isn’t going to be dumb enough to move Stephenson are they?

No chance. His contract makes him invaluable for them.

 

[LokiDog]

Nah, they just look at some of their old videos when they weren't playing in man's league and reminisce

Man, someone needs to DM him this video and tell him to remember who the f*** he is. That’s a different player. If we can get him a coach who specifically will focus on his explosiveness and foot speed in the offseason, I think that’s the best investment we can make.

 

[bleedblue94]

Man, someone needs to DM him this video and tell him to remember who the f*** he is. That’s a different player. If we can get him a coach who specifically will focus on his explosiveness and foot speed in the offseason, I think that’s the best investment we can make.

Hi foot speed looks good against jr players though, it hasnt progressed at this level. there are also several of the highlights where he is able to just build some speed and coast through the other team, but that doesnt work in the nhl. The kid needs to build his lower half physically and then I think the rest of his game will follow suit. Just because his neck looks like a red oak doesnt mean the rest of his body is developed.