Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[mas0764]

Sad part is, I can't imagine we couldn't get a 2nd and Blais level player for Kravstov last summer before the drama.

So...why give up Buch then?

For the record I got the at the moment reasoning, but in retrospect, we are short a RW, and even if StL wasn't interested, I can't imagine Kravtsov wasn't worth 2nd and bottom 6 player before the season started.

Blunder intensifies.

Drury has completely botched the entire situation. Not getting the long term piece that was offered for Buch, then driving away the in house replacement because you can’t control your temper. Pathetic really.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

As long as it’s not our bluest blue chips, I think we’ll be okay. Smith will have good synergy. We should maybe try him at LD. Or 1C. Just no bluest blue chips.

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[mas0764]

Lol. No.

You need to score goals too.

Goodrow but especially Reaves are so overrated here.

 

[smoneil]

but didn’t you just say that the rangers would actually have the space to sign strome and took on Miller at 50%?

ck/mz/kravtsov
Bread/strome/goodrow
Laf/Miller/kakko
Hunt/barron/reaves

Fox/Lindgren
Miller/Trouba
Jones/Schneider

Igor
Kincaid

this fits under the cap but you’d rather have chytil at 2c.

You've got me mixed up with someone else. I'm the one that posted the cap numbers that showed that there is no way in hell that we could fit Strome and Miller (even at half), and that we'd be hard pressed just to keep Strome unless he takes a massive (and I mean two or three million per year massive) discount to stay here. We could fit Miller at half if we cut bait on Strome, but we wouldn't be able to re-sign Miller the following summer, so I see that as a bit of a waste of resources. I think that, realistically, we can either bring in a couple of ~2 million dollar guys or one around ~4 to 5 million. My preference would be Copp, if we could get him towards the lower end of that number.

 

[bhamill]

Drury has completely botched the entire situation. Not getting the long term piece that was offered for Buch, then driving away the in house replacement because you can’t control your temper. Pathetic really.

Oh boy. Dude. Assigning Krav to Hartford was not a temper thing. If anyone couldn’t control their emotions/temper it’s VK. HE is the one who ran home in violation of his contract because he didn’t get what he wanted. You can argue that Drury mishandled it and shouldn’t have hurt poor VK’s feelings the year before, but VK came back here after that and only left when he wasn’t handed a roster spot.

 

[McRanger92]

Drury has completely botched the entire situation. Not getting the long term piece that was offered for Buch, then driving away the in house replacement because you can’t control your temper. Pathetic really.

Still 8 days to go until hockeys back!

 

[smoneil]

Drury has completely botched the entire situation. Not getting the long term piece that was offered for Buch, then driving away the in house replacement because you can’t control your temper. Pathetic really.

That is one impressive temper if it was able to scare SIX different wingers into out-performing Kravtsov this pre-season. I didn't know Drury had in in him.

 

[Lgrsean]

You've got me mixed up with someone else. I'm the one that posted the cap numbers that showed that there is no way in hell that we could fit Strome and Miller (even at half), and that we'd be hard pressed just to keep Strome unless he takes a massive (and I mean two or three million per year massive) discount to stay here. We could fit Miller at half if we cut bait on Strome, but we wouldn't be able to re-sign Miller the following summer, so I see that as a bit of a waste of resources. I think that, realistically, we can either bring in a couple of ~2 million dollar guys or one around ~4 to 5 million. My preference would be Copp, if we could get him towards the lower end of that number.

I believe this was your work:

Kreider (6.5m) Mika (8.5m) Kakko (???)-- 15 million
Bread (11,642,857) Miller (2.6m) Kravtsov (??)--14,242,857
Laf (925k) Strome (6m) Goodrow (3,641,667)-- 10,566,667
Hunt (762,500) Barron (925k) Reaves (1,750,000) 3,437,500

No spare forward?

Lindgren (3m) Fox (9.5m)
Miller (925k Trouba (8m)
Jones (925k) Schneider (925k)
Hajek (???)

Igor
Huska (???)

Huska is RFA. Assume we get him, someone like him, or Kincaid at his current hit $825k

Dead cap: 3.43m


Forwards: 43.25m WITHOUT a spare forward, Kakko or krav
Defense: 23.28m WITHOUT Hajek
Goal: 6.5m
DC: 3.43m

Total: 76.46m
Cap: 82.5m

 

[smoneil]

I believe this was your work:

Kreider (6.5m) Mika (8.5m) Kakko (???)-- 15 million
Bread (11,642,857) Miller (2.6m) Kravtsov (??)--14,242,857
Laf (925k) Strome (6m) Goodrow (3,641,667)-- 10,566,667
Hunt (762,500) Barron (925k) Reaves (1,750,000) 3,437,500

No spare forward?

Lindgren (3m) Fox (9.5m)
Miller (925k Trouba (8m)
Jones (925k) Schneider (925k)
Hajek (???)

Igor
Huska (???)

Huska is RFA. Assume we get him, someone like him, or Kincaid at his current hit $825k

Dead cap: 3.43m


Forwards: 43.25m WITHOUT a spare forward, Kakko or krav
Defense: 23.28m WITHOUT Hajek
Goal: 6.5m
DC: 3.43m

Total: 76.46m
Cap: 82.5m

I believe you cut the parts where I pointed out that these were all the very best case scenarios, and that even if 6 or 7 things happened EXACTLY the way another poster wanted them to happen (ie: several players signing for discounts, being able to move 5 or 6 contracts without taking a dime in cap back, etc), we still wouldn't have enough cap space to sign the four players unaccounted for (the guys with the ???, which include, per the poster I was responding to with this post, BOTH top six RW).

But way to remove all the context from what I was posting in order to pretend that I was arguing in favor of the strategy that I was actually exposing as a pipe dream.

For anyone who wants to see what I actually argued, this is the direct link to the post: Speculation: - Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

 

[Pidto Files]

Same reason the team is keeping Hajek around, which is...uh...still haven't figured that one out yet.

Because you need depth.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I don't actually want us to spend huge on a rental, but seeing Claude Giroux in a Rangers jersey would be so weird, it would be kinda cool tbh

 

[Alluckks]

Reilly Smith for 2nd + Richards
Lehkonen for Gauthier
Debrusk for Hajek

Kreider Zib Laf
Panarin Strome Kakko
Lehkonen Goodrow Smith
Debrusk Rooney Reaves/Hunt

 

[Lgrsean]

I believe you cut the parts where I pointed out that these were all the very best case scenarios, and that even if 6 or 7 things happened EXACTLY the way another poster wanted them to happen (ie: several players signing for discounts, being able to move 5 or 6 contracts without taking a dime in cap back, etc), we still wouldn't have enough cap space to sign the four players unaccounted for (the guys with the ???, which include, per the poster I was responding to with this post, BOTH top six RW).

But way to remove all the context from what I was posting in order to pretend that I was arguing in favor of the strategy that I was actually exposing as a pipe dream.

For anyone who wants to see what I actually argued, this is the direct link to the post: Speculation: - Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

so why is this a pipe dream? How much more than $6m do you expect strome to sign for? You could even keep chytil on his current contract and give kakko the same deal. The only guy not currently on the roster is Miller and he’s likely to be traded. You think it’s so crazy that the rangers would choose not to resign blais after he tore his knee? The following year there’s $3.5m in dead cap opening up, the cap goes up by $1m, reaves deal is up, and goodrow could be moved if necessary. I think you did a great job showing that this is possible. Is there any part of the roster you don’t like?

Ck/mz/chytil
Bread/Miller/goodrow
Laf/strome/kakko
Hunt/barron/reaves

Lindgren/fox
Miller/trouba
Jones/Schneider

Igor
Kinkaid

 

[bbny]

There’s our goal .

Kakko and Lafreniere creamed their hockey pants watching that kind of talent.

 

[smoneil]

so why is this a pipe dream? How much more than $6m do you expect strome to sign for? You could even keep chytil on his current contract and give kakko the same deal. The only guy not currently on the roster is Miller and he’s likely to be traded. You think it’s so crazy that the rangers would choose not to resign blais after he tore his knee? The following year there’s $3.5m in dead cap opening up, the cap goes up by $1m, reaves deal is up, and goodrow could be moved if necessary. I think you did a great job showing that this is possible. Is there any part of the roster you don’t like?

Ck/mz/chytil
Bread/Miller/goodrow
Laf/strome/kakko
Hunt/barron/reaves

Lindgren/fox
Miller/trouba
Jones/Schneider

Igor
Kinkaid

I don't like the part where it doesn't fit under the salary cap. Read the link I just posted. It goes into it in detail.

 

[Lgrsean]

I don't like the part where it doesn't fit under the salary cap. Read the link I just posted. It goes into it in detail.

so you’re good w the roster if it fits under the cap?

$17.3M - Ck/mz/chytil
$17.9M - Bread/Miller/goodrow
$9.3M - Laf/strome/kakko
$3.4M - Hunt/barron/reaves
$47.9M - Forwards

$12.5M - Lindgren/fox
$8.9M - Miller/trouba
$1.9M - Jones/Schneider
$23.3M - Defensemen

$5.6M - Igor
$825k - Kinkaid
$6.425M - Goalies

$77.625M - Total
$3.43M - dead cap
$1.4M cap space

 

[Hire Sather]

I don't like the part where a 4th liner is playing on the top line.

That is why I say Chytil may not be in the NHL in a couple years.

Obviously his game doesn't translate to him playing on a 4th line. But he's not good enough for the top 6. He could end up in Europe.

 

[smoneil]

so you’re good w the roster if it fits under the cap?

$17.3M - Ck/mz/chytil
$17.9M - Bread/Miller/goodrow
$9.3M - Laf/strome/kakko
$3.4M - Hunt/barron/reaves
$47.9M - Forwards

$12.5M - Lindgren/fox
$8.9M - Miller/trouba
$1.9M - Jones/Schneider
$23.3M - Defensemen

$5.6M - Igor
$825k - Kinkaid
$6.425M - Goalies

$77.625M - Total
$3.43M - dead cap
$1.4M cap space

No, I'm saying that the only way to make that roster "fit under the salary cap" is to assume players will sign/re-sign for well below their value. And you also don't account for a spare forward or a 7th defenseman.

My position is clear. You have now intentionally misrepresented it and then proceeded to argue in bad faith for several posts.

 

[smoneil]

I don't like the part where a 4th liner is playing on the top line.

That is why I say Chytil may not be in the NHL in a couple years.

Obviously his game doesn't translate to him playing on a 4th line. But he's not good enough for the top 6. He could end up in Europe.

The fact that Chytil has actually done quite well literally every time he's had stretches in the top six seem to counter your claim. It's not like it's ancient history. The last such stretch was last month.

 

[Lgrsean]

No, I'm saying that the only way to make that roster "fit under the salary cap" is to assume players will sign/re-sign for well below their value. And you also don't account for a spare forward or a 7th defenseman.

My position is clear. You have now intentionally misrepresented it and then proceeded to argue in bad faith for several posts.

I haven’t misrepresented anything. You did the math, and it showed the rangers can fit strome and jt Miller retained. In fact, they can fit chytil aa well. Strome at $6.25M/yr isn’t well below his value. Neither is $2.3M for Kakko, or $825K for Kinkaid. These are the only signings I’m suggesting.

Nothing here is a pipe dream. There’s actually only 1 guy being added to the roster who isn’t currently on the rangers and it makes a lot more sense than your suggestion to start the year with chytil at 2c.

and to answer your question about Laf and kandre, $3.4m in dead cap space is up, along with reaves contract and moving goodrow if necessary.

 

[jay from jersey]

Drury has completely botched the entire situation. Not getting the long term piece that was offered for Buch, then driving away the in house replacement because you can’t control your temper. Pathetic really.

that’s a bit of a stretch Drury running off Kravy and taking most of the blame for a guy who threw a fit when he wasn’t given a top 9 role and ran back to Russia the 2nd time cause he didn’t want to do a conditioning stint in the A....
The Buch situation is exactly at this point we’d be trying to avoid...
Are they going to trade Buch at the deadline in the middle of their playoff push? Because with what they currently have, they couldn’t afford to give him that contract.
1. We don’t get to see Blais ( part of Buch return) in the post season where a player like him can truly shine, due to injury.
2. Laf/kakko not producing too well, and krav leaving again along with Blais injury was a perfect storm of bad on our Wing performance.
3. It’s likely they neither deal strome nor Buch in the middle of the run they are currently having..
If they kept Buch, that would have place Krav even lower on the RW depth chart, further adding to his getting mad at leaving...
When Buch was traded, Kravtsov thought he was a lock for a top 9 wing.. his injury in camp plus the better play of other wingers made that position even murkier. That’s the main issue that caused his childish meltdown.
4. Goodrow has been one of the most important players and stabilizing forces on this roster this season. He was a necessary add. He’s having a career points year, and a proven playoff savage on a back to back cup winner.
I’m not sure why your mad at Drury for bringing him in.. yes he’s paid near the top of the scale for 3rd line players... but how else are you going to get these guys here?
Just like Blais? He was targeted for a reason, I suspect the blues really didn’t have a lot of incentive to move him, but when Buch was made available to them, they made the deal.
Would you have been happier if we dealt 1st RD picks/prospects for 3rd/4th line guys like goodrow?
Whether you get them with term, or you get them a little older in UFA, they cost a premium no matter what because 90% of the teams are looking to add them.
If we drafted any guys like that, or some were on the cusp of being ready in our farm, it’d be a different story, but when your team lacks a pulse, hard work ethic, and their version of playing physical hockey is hitting them with their purses like last season, it has to be addressed.
If you think Goodrow, Reaves,Hunt, Blais and now adding Schneider haven’t given this team more passion and more gumption to play like men, I don’t know what to tell ya. It’s clear as day from this year to last.
Is Drury perfect? Is the team? No, but it’s miles ahead in terms of last years squad in the passion/work ethic/give a shit department...
Hopefully Some of the guys we have in the system now like Cuylle, Berard, Othmann, Edstrom, Gettinger, Ruesschoff, lamb, Grubbe, Korczak etc pan out and we won’t have to pay a lot to add guys like this in the future...
Because we haven’t had any homegrown guys like that since Cally, Dubinsky, Staal, Girardi, and Sauer we’re here playing.

 

[Anthony5967]

Kakko and Lafreniere creamed their hockey pants watching that kind of talent.

This is literally like an addiction process. People cream themselves over a move like this. Great move by a great player, but both of the guys we have are very good and most likely can do that at 16-17 years old too lol. Most guys with stick skills can pull that off that have as much skill as Laf and Kakko. Wait until bedard starts out with a 0-3-3 statline in 21 games for Arizona and is -16. “Bedard sucks! Bust!”

 

[haohmaru]

Kakko and Lafreniere creamed their hockey pants watching that kind of talent.

Nah, they just look at some of their old videos when they weren't playing in man's league and reminisce

 

[bhamill]

Still 8 days to go until hockeys back!

Hahahaha.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Reilly Smith is a goner when Eichel and Martinez come back, but doesn't Vegas need to make another move to become cap compliant?

Also, they have $50k in cap space for next year with 14 players signed. That doesn't even include Smith since he's a pending UFA. Even if they moved someone like Pacioretty for nothing but futures, you're still looking at $7.05M in space with SEVEN players to sign. Vegas is going to have to get really creative pretty soon, and I hope Drury is there to scavenge their bones. Outside of Smith, most of their attractive players have a 10 team NTC that probably eliminates most of the bottom feeders of the league. Guess which team is a playoff contender with the ability to take on full cap hits?