Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[LORDE]

Been away from the board for a bit working and skiing... but it's nice to be back and add that stress and depression back into my life lol

We have a TON of cap space right now... none at all next season and beyond.

If Kakko and Laf bust it won't matter what else we do... we'll have to retool / rebuild / whatever again

 

[LokiDog]

Hi foot speed looks good against jr players though, it hasnt progressed at this level. there are also several of the highlights where he is able to just build some speed and coast through the other team, but that doesnt work in the nhl. The kid needs to build his lower half physically and then I think the rest of his game will follow suit. Just because his neck looks like a red oak doesnt mean the rest of his body is developed.

That’s what I’m getting at. When he was playing against juniors his foot speed gave him the burst and separation to look like that. If he can bring his explosiveness and overall foot speed/lower strength up, he has all the tools to do this at the NHL level. I agree with you. I also think that he does need to remember what that felt like and bring that confidence - shoot the puck more especially - but I think that having an extra step on defenders will help him feel more confident in his tools. My main assignment for Alex this summer would be to work with a specialist on gaining explosiveness. Box jumps, weight lunges, lateral hurdle jumps, power cleans, whatever.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

completely

that kid needs to find himself as a person get comfortable in his own skin before he ever does on the ice

hockey gods just love to F with us

Hockey God 1: hey guys this isn’t looking good rangers are poised to pick this zegras kid we all know is going to be a star. We can’t have that. What do we do?

(Everyone thinking)

Hockey God 2: should we just give them a break for once?

(Everyone Noooooo!)

Hockey God 3: I’ve got an idea, hear me out let’s make them win the draft lottery…

(Commotion/Anger/yelling)

Hockey God 4: you want to give them Jack Hughes are you nuts?!?!

Hockey God 3: no no listen. Let them win #2 overall. Everyone loves that awkward Finnish kid tearing it up right now. We all know he’s not as good as he’s showing right now. They’ll be forced to take him and not zegras and at best they’ll get a middle 6 defensive guy as usual

(silence)

Hockey God 1: that’s brilliant!!!! It’s so so painful and delicious. I love it!

(everyone erupts in celebration!)

In Madeleine Miller’s book Cerci there is a scene where Cerci’s brother tells her that the the humans who pray and make sacrifices to the gods more are the humans who suffer the most and nothing pleases the gods more then worship. This is why they are constantly vexing humans.
Paraphrasing of course.

 

[bleedblue94]

That’s what I’m getting at. When he was playing against juniors his foot speed gave him the burst and separation to look like that. If he can bring his explosiveness and overall foot speed/lower strength up, he has all the tools to do this at the NHL level. I agree with you. I also think that he does need to remember what that felt like and bring that confidence - shoot the puck more especially - but I think that having an extra step on defenders will help him feel more confident in his tools. My main assignment for Alex this summer would be to work with a specialist on gaining explosiveness. Box jumps, weight lunges, lateral hurdle jumps, power cleans, whatever.

100%, his entire focus should be lower body building and explosiveness. You can see the weakness in the corners and on board battles. The kid can be a real player, he just needs some more physical development and to move his damn feet more...

 

[EdJovanovski]

completely

that kid needs to find himself as a person get comfortable in his own skin before he ever does on the ice

hockey gods just love to F with us

Hockey God 1: hey guys this isn’t looking good rangers are poised to pick this zegras kid we all know is going to be a star. We can’t have that. What do we do?

(Everyone thinking)

Hockey God 2: should we just give them a break for once?

(Everyone Noooooo!)

Hockey God 3: I’ve got an idea, hear me out let’s make them win the draft lottery…

(Commotion/Anger/yelling)

Hockey God 4: you want to give them Jack Hughes are you nuts?!?!

Hockey God 3: no no listen. Let them win #2 overall. Everyone loves that awkward Finnish kid tearing it up right now. We all know he’s not as good as he’s showing right now. They’ll be forced to take him and not zegras and at best they’ll get a middle 6 defensive guy as usual

(silence)

Hockey God 1: that’s brilliant!!!! It’s so so painful and delicious. I love it!

(everyone erupts in celebration!)

To add salt in the wound

 

[McRanger92]

Brooksie with a new article this morning for subscribers. Says the team will look to aggressively move Lundkvist in a package for a forward with term (JT Miller mentioned explicitly)

Also confirms the status quo with Kravtsov. Not expected to come back, most likely traded in a deal as a sweetener

 

[tomobson]

The Hockey Writers make claim that the Rangers have shown interest in Detroit's Troy Stecher, Nick Leddy, and Vlad Namestikov. Idk how reputable the source, but none of these names appear to make much sense from a Rangers perspective, imo...although I've always liked Nick Leddy. Veteran puck mover, can play special teams, responsible in his own zone. Reminds me of Tomas Kaberle.

The media is going to link us to everyone they can for the clicks. They said we were very serious about Chychrun then a month later stated we were never really in the picture. I actually believe Drury has things pretty well sealed at the moment. It makes things a little more exciting because we really have no clue what he's thinking.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The Hockey Writers make claim that the Rangers have shown interest in Detroit's Troy Stecher, Nick Leddy, and Vlad Namestikov. Idk how reputable the source, but none of these names appear to make much sense from a Rangers perspective, imo...although I've always liked Nick Leddy. Veteran puck mover, can play special teams, responsible in his own zone. Reminds me of Tomas Kaberle.

i'd be into Leddy 4 sure

 

[rangersfansince08]

To add salt in the wound

stop. that's painful.

 

[Lgrsean]

$10.6m Cap Space (Projected - '22-'23) New York Rangers Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
- Nemeth ($2.5m) (say you find a buyer to take him on completely)
________________________
$13.1m (now you need 5 forwards, 1 defenseman, and 1 goalie)

- $5.5m Strome
_____________
$7.6m
-$3m Kakko
____________
$4.6m
- $0.875m Kinkaid
___________
$3.725m (now you need 3 forwards, 1 defenseman still)

You aren't getting JT Miller aboard with that.

Even 4 minimum salary players will cost you $3.2m-ish, which leaves you with half a mil in space, and they will want some breathing room in season. Even Miller with 50% retained is unaffordable.

It's not possible to have both Miller and Strome unless Kreider or Trouba is moved. MAYBE you could squeak by if Goodrow is moved and Miller is at 50%, but I doubt it.

But then you also have a shallow roster full of Greg McKeggs. Because this means no Blais, no Rooney, no Gauthier resigned.

Earmarking just $3m for Kakko is also how you lose him to an offer sheet. So.... no thanks to any of this.

Rangers add JT Miller and resign Strome - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
I don't think it's realistic that Kakko gets an offer sheet, and the roster I'm suggesting actually has 1 full less McKegg than our current roster and still has $1M in cap space. All 4 lines are as good or improved on what we have this year and the only loss on D is Nemeth, who hasn't been good anyway. If the question is "does this fit under the cap" the answer is yes.

CK/MZ/Chytil
Bread/Miller/Goodrow
Laf/Strome/Kakko
Hunt/Barron/Reaves

Lindgren/Fox
Miller/Trouba
Jones/Schneider

Igor
Kinkaid

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Brooksie with a new article this morning for subscribers. Says the team will look to aggressively move Lundkvist in a package for a forward with term (JT Miller mentioned explicitly)

Also confirms the status quo with Kravtsov. Not expected to come back, most likely traded in a deal as a sweetener

To clarify bold: He said that's what he would do. No citing of a source that the Rangers were looking to actually make that move.

 

[McRanger92]

To clarify bold: He said that's what he would do. No citing of a source that the Rangers were looking to actually make that move.

Just more JT Miller smoke. But fair point. I doubt he’s just pulling it out of his ass though.

I also happen to agree with him which is an unpopular opinion around these parts.

 

[McRanger92]

and it directly shows in the way they carry themselves on the ice.

I remember that promo video that msg did on kakko when he first game to nyc after the draft and they took down shortly after posting. I know kids/people are all different, but he was so overwhelmed in the video and just seemed uncomfortable. I think in many ways kakko needs to continue his development as a person and having general confidence in himself and his game will follow. He is going to be a longer team project. Laf is the kid that next year I am looking for a significant step forward.

It seems like the fans are way more worried about Laf/Kakko’s development than the NYR are. Probably a good thing.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

The Hockey Writers make claim that the Rangers have shown interest in Detroit's Troy Stecher, Nick Leddy, and Vlad Namestikov. Idk how reputable the source, but none of these names appear to make much sense from a Rangers perspective, imo...although I've always liked Nick Leddy. Veteran puck mover, can play special teams, responsible in his own zone. Reminds me of Tomas Kaberle.

Leddy would be a good pickup. Could probably be had for a 3rd rounder or so in terms of value.

Namestnikov would be an ok bottom 6 depth pickup too, most likely will be cheap as well.

 

[MrAlmost]

I have looked at the math many times on Capfriendly, if we re-sign Strome and Kakko, you aren't adding anything else of substance.

I'm not weighing in on anything related to Chytil and where he should play.

The Rangers have 10.6m in projected cap space for next year with 8 forwards, 7 defensemen, and 1 goalie that are on their current roster, under contract. Notable players without contracts include Strome, Kakko, Georgiev, Hajek, Blais, Gauthier, McKegg, and Rooney.

That means the Rangers need to sign/bring aboard/promote at least 5 forwards and a backup goalie with that 10.6m.

Clearing out Nemeth is not gonna get it done. I think it will be tight simply giving Strome $5m+. It will be impossible if you also plan on having JT Miller, even with money retained by another team.

Clearing out the dead weight will likely leave approximately 8 million in cap space for a 3rd line LW and 2nd line Center.

Not ideal. Tinordi isn't the best 7th option, but I have seen worse. I honestly don't think Gettinger is any worse then Hunt or McKegg. Think he should be a regular over them now actually. He has improved every year. Big guys take a while as they say. But besides that, it is not that dire. Unless Kakko explodes, there is no way he gets more then 3 million and with Blais injury he cant demand more then he just had on his previous deal. And if you want Goodrow as the 3rd Line LW and get a 3rd line center, well you can do that too. After next year, buyouts are off the books, Reaves is gone and the cap likely gets another 1 million bump. Thats 6 million in cap space.

With that said, I agree very much that Miller is a bad choice. Very bad choice.

 

[bleedblue94]

It seems like the fans are way more worried about Laf/Kakko’s development than the NYR are. Probably a good thing.

how so, do you expect NYR to come out and say we are disappointed with where these two are and we have serious concerns about their futures as impact players in this league?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Karlsson has fewer points than Brett Howden this year despite playing almost twice the minutes and plenty of power play time.

So even with retention, I'm caddy about that contract.

See my issue so far this break is that everyone is looking to find ways to upgrade on Ryan Strome, but then they are throwing out these names that have very similar strengths and weaknesses to Ryan.

I’m fine with Strome if we can afford him which we can’t IMO.

 

[Fitzy]

It seems like the fans are way more worried about Laf/Kakko’s development than the NYR are. Probably a good thing.

A big part of the Buchnevich trade was the assumption from management that those two players could pick up the offensive slack.

Neither of them have upped their scoring this season in a substantial way.

Drury has noticed. How could he not?

 

[RangerBoy]

Brooks believes Lundkvist's value will drop to zero if Drury doesn't move him.

Lundkvist’s trade value is not going to increase if Drury waits. The longer he is out of the NHL, the longer he is out of the lineup (even with Fox sidelined, as he was for the three games leading into this hiatus), the less leverage the Rangers will have in trade talks.

Here is what I recommend, and I recommend doing it now: Offer Lundkvist and Filip Chytil to the Canucks for J.T. Miller, whom the Rangers would have for two playoff runs before he becomes a 2023 free agent. He could anchor what would become an extremely formidable third line the rest of this season or he could take one of the right-wing spots in the top six. And he would represent protection were either Mika Zibanejad or Ryan Strome to go down with an injury. And he would be in position to replace Strome next year if No. 16 and the Blueshirts cannot agree on an extension.

If that type of trade is not available, Drury might be able to get a first-rounder in exchange for Lundkvist that he might be able to wheel in another deal leading up to the deadline.

 

[Thirty One]

Brooks believes Lundkvist's value will drop to zero if Drury doesn't move him.

Is there another quote where he says this?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Brooks believes Lundkvist's value will drop to zero if Drury doesn't move him.

I am on board with trading Lundkvist but lmao at that Miller trade.

Trade McDonagh & Miller for Howden, Lundkvist, Hajek & Namestnikov
Trade Namestnikov for a 4th rd pick
Trade Howden for a 4th rd pick
Trade Buchnevich for Blais & a 2nd rd pick
Trade Lundkvist & Chytil to get Miller back

Absolutely ridiculous lmao

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Thank God Larry Brooks hasn't been running this team then. Who wouldn't make a trade of JT Miller for Chytil and Lundkvist?

 

[McRanger92]

A big part of the Buchnevich trade was the assumption from management that those two players could pick up the offensive slack.

Neither of them have upped their scoring this season in a substantial way.

Drury has noticed. How could he not?

Neither is in danger of being sat or traded. They are still a big part of the teams future. How worried can they be?

 

[McRanger92]

I am on board with trading Lundkvist but lmao at that Miller trade.

Trade McDonagh & Miller for Howden, Lundkvist, Hajek & Namestnikov
Trade Namestnikov for a 4th rd pick
Trade Howden for a 4th rd pick
Trade Buchnevich for Blais & a 2nd rd pick
Trade Lundkvist & Chytil to get Miller back

Absolutely ridiculous lmao

I like Miller as a fit here but my god was this a sobering read

 

[Fitzy]

Neither is in danger of being sat or traded. They are still a big part of the teams future. How worried can they be?

I think a change in expectations of their role can make a lot of changes in how they're used.

After a few seasons it became pretty clear that Michael Del Zotto wasn't going to be a long term PP QB. He was shoe-horned into that position in 2009 because NYR had zero offensive talent on the blueline. After a few years, he wasn't producing the kind of offense we needed and so the team traded him for Klein. It turned out to be an amazing trade for the Rangers.

If the new expectation is that Kakko and Lafreniere might end up 2nd line players or even 1B players instead of stars, that can always change how the organization sees how they fit in the lineup.