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[Hodgy]

100%. There is enough stuff to legitimately criticize Petey for. This story about the Sedins is just bottom-of-the-barrel BS designed to whip up the lowest common denominator fans.

Like, he isn't friends with them outside of team functions? Okay? Is that controversial? Like, who cares?

This is the same kind of dumb BS the media whips up to run a guy out a town, similar to the CGY media bashing Dougie Hamilton because he "likes museums" and didn't want to go smash beers with the boys.

Wasn’t the original rumour that the they were at odds RE: his injury and performance while injured? Maybe I’m missing something but I’m not sure how this has morphed into them not being best buddies away from the rink.

If the Canucks trade Boeser for futures they are immediately trading those futures for a player they like.


This discussion stems from Jason Brough, who said yesterday Pettersson and the Sedins don't have a relationship and Pettersson prefers to figure things out on his own.

It definitely is just a rumour, and therefore, we shouldn't read a ton into it, but Brough was speaking like it was common knowledge and accepted that Pettersson had a "bad" relationship with the Sedins. He seemed to imply or state that it was a bad or negative relationship, and not just absence of a relationship, but I can't recall the exact language used and perhaps it wasn't clear. If its just an absence or a relationship then its less of a red flag, but if its a "bad" relationship, its a bit of a red flag to me given what I know about the Sedins.

I think with anything people are reading to deeply into it and bringing their own theories to it. This has become a mystery for some people to piece together and every new tid bit of trivia gets super fixated on as a piece to a perceived puzzle.

Drance actually had a good point, I think, that Pettersson is partly to blame for all of this speculation since he has given so little explanation or information to the media regarding his long period of poor performance. And I say this as someone who thinks the media are entitled whiners, and I don't think Pettersson has any obligation to say anything to them. But, with that said, if you are going to behave rather childishly to the media, and refuse to answer their questions, then you are going to get lots of speculation.

 

[ManVanFan]

If they are not making themselves better in the here and now, and banking on the future assets which will not help us during the length of Hughes contract... they will be rebuilding if not now, then in another year.

Again it is not that you can not trade Boeser, but more so you have to be making this current team better.

Here and now is what exactly? A team fighting for a playoff spot. Hughes is going to want to win. Does this team right now give him that chance? I wouldn't say so. Is there a future, a slim one. If that slim future doesn't help enough. You are trading him anyways because he is going to want to go somewhere to win.

 

[Wisp]

It definitely is just a rumour, and therefore, we shouldn't read a ton into it, but Brough was speaking like it was common knowledge and accepted that Pettersson had a "bad" relationship with the Sedins. He seemed to imply or state that it was a bad or negative relationship, and not just absence of a relationship, but I can't recall the exact language used and perhaps it wasn't clear. If its just an absence or a relationship then its less of a red flag, but if its a "bad" relationship, its a bit of a red flag to me given what I know about the Sedins.

"Sedins and Pettersson don't have a relationship. Is that not widely known, that not widely known, doesn't you guys have never heard that like I thought that was known? They don't have a very good relationship, and a lot of it is Petterson's a lone wolf. He really just wants to figure stuff out by himself," Brough said

I suppose people can parse Brough however they like, my take away was Brough isn't particularly diplomatic on the best of the days and is going to pick his words in the most pointed way possible and not to read too deeply into it. If he was going to characterize it as troubled relationship, he'd just say they hated eachother.

 

[racerjoe]

Here and now is what exactly? A team fighting for a playoff spot. Hughes is going to want to win. Does this team right now give him that chance? I wouldn't say so. Is there a future, a slim one. If that slim future doesn't help enough. You are trading him anyways because he is going to want to go somewhere to win.

In the course of the Quin Hughes contract... and futures doesn't help this team in that time frame.

 

[Wisp]

Drance actually had a good point, I think, that Pettersson is partly to blame for all of this speculation since he has given so little explanation or information to the media regarding his long period of poor performance. And I say this as someone who thinks the media are entitled whiners, and I don't think Pettersson has any obligation to say anything to them. But, with that said, if you are going to behave rather childishly to the media, and refuse to answer their questions, then you are going to get lots of speculation.

He is very private and I agree he'd be better of if he took this relationship by the horns. I still wonder a lot how Canucks PR's roll in this. I really f***ing hate CMac so I'm inclined to wonder how negative his influence is a liaison between players and media.

 

[ManVanFan]

In the course of the Quin Hughes contract... and futures doesn't help this team in that time frame.

Hughes can sign an extension. The Canucks will have 70M in cap space to sign him to an extension.

 

[Hodgy]

He is very private and I agree he'd be better of if he took this relationship by the horns. I still wonder a lot how Canucks PR's roll in this. I really f***ing hate CMac so I'm inclined to wonder how negative his influence is a liaison between players and media.

Yes, I was thinking about that the other day. I can't imagine things are great with CMac right now. Because from the outside looking in, the Canucks seem to be having an absolutely terrible time of trying to manage their PR.

And yes, Pettersson definitely seems like an introvert. And again, I don't think he owes the media anything. And when you are playing well you can take that position without any consequences. Like Hronek last year. But when you play poorly for an extended period of time that position may end up just hurting you.

 

[racerjoe]

Hughes can sign an extension.

Why would he if were are a loser team...

 

[Hodgy]

"Sedins and Pettersson don't have a relationship. Is that not widely known, that not widely known, doesn't you guys have never heard that like I thought that was known? They don't have a very good relationship, and a lot of it is Petterson's a lone wolf. He really just wants to figure stuff out by himself," Brough said

I suppose people can parse Brough however they like, my take away was Brough isn't particularly diplomatic on the best of the days and is going to pick his words in the most pointed way possible and not to read too deeply into it. If he was going to characterize it as troubled relationship, he'd just say they hated eachother.

Ya, its unclear to me. But the "they don't have a very good relationship" seems to suggests its not just a lack of relationship type thing.

 

[ManVanFan]

Why would he if were are a loser team...

Do you honestly think Boeser moves the needle of this team that much?

 

[racerjoe]

Do you honestly think Boeser moves the needle of this team that much?

Our 40 goal scorer... or 30 goal go normally? Yes. If we don't replace him. We aren't that good and are already missing a ton of offense and would be missing even more while being pretty much the worst offensive team in the NHL.

 

[ManVanFan]

Our 40 goal scorer... or 30 goal go normally? Yes. If we don't replace him. We aren't that good and are already missing a ton of offense and would be missing even more while being pretty much the worst offensive team in the NHL.

Well we are clearly on very different sides. I'm very tired of watching this tread water with no land in sight. I'd like to start swimming to at least somewhere.

 

[Vector]

Dallas Stars

• Miro Heiskanen may be done for the rest of the regular season and miss the 1st round of the playoffs
• Interested in Brock Nelson
• Connected to Seth Jones but is too complicated of a move to make in-season; same goes for Erik Karlsson
• May be willing to trade Mavrik Bourque

Atlanta

• There is a proposed entertainment district, that includes an 18,000 seat rink for an NHL franchise, being discussed in Atlanta
• Plans for this development are expected to be presented to the NHL soon
• Two groups trying to bring a franchise back to Atlanta (for a 3rd time)
• One of the two groups, Krause-led, is well ahead of the other, ASEG

Further Expansion

• NHL met with a group looking to get an NHL franchise in New Orleans
• Phoenix, Houston, San Diego, Cincinnati, Omaha, Kansas City, and other places have expressed interest in bringing in an NHL franchise

Winnipeg Jets

• Could add a depth piece or two
• Chatter that they are looking to do something bigger; may dangle Colby Barlow

Florida Panthers

• Matthew Tkachuk is week-to-week but not expected to miss the playoffs

Boston Bruins

• Mentions Trent Frederic and Justin Brazeau as two players to watch
• Extension talks have halted on Frederic and Brazeau
• Mutliple teams interested in both players

Europe

• NHL will play games in Stockholm, Sweden next season in November
• Unclear if 2 or 4 teams will participate

John Gibson

• Would not block a trade to the Edmonton Oilers

NHL Draft

• Will take place in Los Angeles and be de-cenralized
• Already talk that a centralized draft could return
• Everyone would return to Montreal for a centralized draft

Brock Boeser

• Can’t see a trade betwee the Kings & Canucks but thinks the Kings would love to acquire Boeser
• Kings may pursue him as a free agent

Toronto Maple Leafs

• Want to add a second-liner; preferably a centre
• Looking for physical bottom-6 forwards with size

Montreal Canadiens

• Taking trade cards Jake Evans, Joel Armia, and David Savard
• Christian Dvorak is available but his cap hit may prevent a move
• Canadiens only have one retention slot remaining

 

[racerjoe]

Well we are clearly on very different sides. I'm very tired of watching this tread water with no land in sight. I'd like to start swimming to at least somewhere.

The team needs to be improved... and you don't do that by trading your best goal scorer for futures when you are in the win now portion of your cycle.

You would not be swimming you would be drowning.

 

[Wisp]

Ya, its unclear to me. But the "they don't have a very good relationship" seems to suggests its not just a lack of relationship type thing.

his initial statement was there was no relationship. he never said it was bad, this is brough, if there was drama he'd say it outright. just how i see it.

 

[Canuckle1970]

Does Quinn Hughes have a relationship with the Sedins, beyond the coach/player thing? If not, why doesn't he?

 

[ManVanFan]

The team needs to be improved... and you don't do that by trading your best goal scorer for futures when you are in the win now portion of your cycle.

You would not be swimming you would be drowning.

They are drowning in the direction they are going.

 

[racerjoe]

They are drowning in the direction they are going.

Currently they are treading water. Most teams do end up drowning as its rare for teams to win a cup. We will see if they can swim of if they sink soon.

 

[krutovsdonut]

"Sedins and Pettersson don't have a relationship. Is that not widely known, that not widely known, doesn't you guys have never heard that like I thought that was known? They don't have a very good relationship, and a lot of it is Petterson's a lone wolf. He really just wants to figure stuff out by himself," Brough said

I suppose people can parse Brough however they like, my take away was Brough isn't particularly diplomatic on the best of the days and is going to pick his words in the most pointed way possible and not to read too deeply into it. If he was going to characterize it as troubled relationship, he'd just say they hated eachother.

i feel like halford and brougfh have no sources of their own. they just repeat and merge/spin what other reporters tell them so they are the definition of gossips.

am i mistaken on this? can anyone recall any stories they have broken?

if not, i don't think you should believe a word they say about anything.

Currently they are treading water. Most teams do end up drowning as its rare for teams to win a cup. We will see if they can swim of if they sink soon.

this is what i see. even pettersson is more or less treading water.

the sky is not falling. we were doing great before the break with the same roster. now we are in a slight hiccup mode. i have my issues with ep40 these days but overall i do not see why people are on the negative wave rollercoaster. best case scenario, ep40 digs in and digs out. worst case scenario we have one more circus trade to get through.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

While I am concerned about EP and the lack of offense overall... the Canucks have only played one stinker since the Miller trade.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I'd have no issues trading Brock to LA.

Greentree would be of great interest.

 

[arttk]

Does Quinn Hughes have a relationship with the Sedins, beyond the coach/player thing? If not, why doesn't he?

we need to out all the players that don't have a personal relationship with the twins because obviously this is a big issue facing the team. If everyone goes to the twins' house after practice we would be performing so much better.

 

[theguardianII]

we need to out all the players that don't have a personal relationship with the twins because obviously this is a big issue facing the team. If everyone goes to the twins' house after practice we would be performing so much better.

But this isn't a "community" team. This is a "mercenary" team.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

One guy I would look into offering up as a trade chip is Conor Garland. I love the guy, but he'll be 30 when his contract is up and I doubt his play style will age well, and there would be a strong desire for his intangibles and competetiveness.

Eg does an offer like Garland for McLeod + Quinn entice Buffalo? You have to think it would.

 

[me2]

Pettersson trade when.


The Canucks wouldn’t.

It's all moot anyway. Unsigned Boeser wouldn't fetch Cristall.