Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIX

[FIRE DRURY]

As a proud Hater of everything from Boston, I’m very pleased they whooped Toronto.

Can’t wait for RB’s post tomorrow morning at 5:56am blasting them for the Tavares signing.

You look at that teams roster and scratch your head why they didn’t deal from a position of strength during the deadline.

Muzzin was a good add but I think they could have had other options too.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

He was basically playing catch up the entire season.

He's better than this. With out 2OA I'd stay away but with it I'd welcome him. That said, I don't think we're good trading partners with Toronto. Someone with an expendable RHD will probably snag him.

#hope

 

[TheBloodyNine]

As a proud Hater of everything from Boston, I’m very pleased they whooped Toronto.

Can’t wait for RB’s post tomorrow morning at 5:56am blasting them for the Tavares signing. t

You look at that teams roster and scratch your head why they didn’t deal from a position of strength during the deadline.

I also think it's time to stop anointing these kid GMs as saviors. Dubas is clearly in over his head, as is the moron in Arizona.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I also think it's time to stop anointing these kid GMs as saviors. Dubas is clearly in over his head, as is the moron in Arizona.

I like a lot of what Dubas has done tbh...

This summer is critical for him though.

 

[SA16]

This is the guy that got the C taken away and got shifted down the line up. He never waived. He may have been willing to for us back when we contended every year, but those days are gone. I cannot imagine he waives to lose with our scrubs. He has pride and thinks he can help the Leafs with play, not free cap space.

Yea he's 40 years old and has never won a cup. He obviously would not even consider going to any team that isn't already among the best and those teams likely wouldn't even have the cap space or want him. And that's if he is even willing to leave at all. I'd assume he'd be open to SJ but they won't have the cap space anyway so it doesn't matter.

 

[Vitto79]

Don’t want the Leaf cap dumps ... they will want to move Marleau and Zaitsev

Marner is gonna cost a fortune

Gardner is gone and while they blame him for everything their D is worse because of that so need to move a Kadri for a D

 

[Edge]

No.

A lower pick is owned by a team going for it. A higher pick is owned by a team that's rebuilding. It's not just what you offer, it's what the other team needs. Would you give up Chytil for any almost-UFA when we're rebuilding? Yeah, didn't think so. But if you were told you can improve your Cup odds from 15% to 35%, adios Filip!

It's hockey malpractice for Edmonton or Arizona to give up their first for Kreider. If their GM does it, he should be fired on the spot because hes trying to save his own job at the expense of the team.

More likely is another package like what we got for Hayes (non-lottery first plus a young guy with limited upside) and maybe another second round pick if we pick up salary.

Edmonton, no.

Arizona, maybe.

That’s a big difference there that represents more than just 6 picks in the draft.

I also think comparing the Rangers in their present state, to a team that has been rebuilding for most of the decade (and needing to show progress) also isn’t really an apt comparison.

A more apt comparison might be whether the Rangers would’ve moved the 15th pick in 2011 for someone like a Hudler or Lupol (around 28 years old) at half their salary. And the answer to that is yeah, they probably would’ve strongly considered it.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Nylander isn't black and white.

It was Dubas' first test. He had to take that one the distance to set the precedent. He couldn't cave. And in contracts, trading the guy to the team that will pay is still caving. Maybe in hindsight it seems like Dubas lost but he had to do it on his terms and in the least palatable way for the player.

Nylander was the piece to move for defense. That's the error and hubris. He must have thought his team would have the puck the whole time and defense was redundant.

Nylander will be the piece he moves for defense. When he signed, Dubas literally said he would not trade Nylander this season when asked if he gave any assurance against trades. He gone.

 

[Vitto79]

Leafs would pay a lot for a Kreider ... Lilegren ,Johannson , 2nd ?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Leafs would pay a lot for a Kreider ... Lilegren ,Johannson , 2nd ?

None of those pieces are enticing for Kreider.

 

[Bob Richards]

why the hell is Zaitsev's contract that long lol

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Nylander isn't black and white.

It was Dubas' first test. He had to take that one the distance to set the precedent. He couldn't cave. And in contracts, trading the guy to the team that will pay is still caving. Maybe in hindsight it seems like Dubas lost but he had to do it on his terms and in the least palatable way for the player.

Nylander was the piece to move for defense. That's the error and hubris. He must have thought his team would have the puck the whole time and defense was redundant.

Nylander will be the piece he moves for defense. When he signed, Dubas literally said he would not trade Nylander this season when asked if he gave any assurance against trades. He gone.

The holdout seemed very strange, especially when you look at what the reported offer was months in advance versus what he signed for. I don’t mind players trying to maximize their contracts but WN seemed like a selfish prick to me.

I remember when Dubinsky did that here. When asked about his holdout, Torts smirked and said Dubi needs to get his butt to training camp.

I think Dubi was traded a few months later...(?)

 

[Vitto79]

None of those pieces are enticing for Kreider.

A top 15 draft pick and what is ?
Only a year left and ufa

 

[Irishguy42]

I also think it's time to stop anointing these kid GMs as saviors. Dubas is clearly in over his head, as is the moron in Arizona.

Dubas has done more good than bad in Toronto, and Arizona just barely made the playoffs despite having two straight seasons of garbage injury problems.

But let's just shit on them because it makes us feel better, sure.

 

[Thirty One]

why the hell is Zaitsev's contract that long lol

Yes, but consider how that contract would look if he turned out to be good.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Leafs would pay a lot for a Kreider ... Lilegren ,Johannson , 2nd ?

I mean, even though they need defense, the Dubas thing would he to add forwards.

But let's assume he has common sense. Reilly, Muzzin, Dermott and Rosen on the left. Zaitsev and Holl on the right. That is their signed blue line. Nylander and Kadri are possible trade assets. At least to return a RD.

I don't see how Kreider is on the radar at the moment.

 

[effen]

why the hell is Zaitsev's contract that long lol

Came over really late so they only got 1 year of ELC and then did the HF thing of "lets extend this guy for a million years at 4M per year THINK OF THE SAVINGS when he keeps progressing haHAA" like I saw suggested with ADA after 45 good games.

Sometimes that doesn't work out.

 

[Calad]

I cannot understand why Marleau would accept any trade to pretty much any team. Do you really think a 40 year old who has been in the league for 21 years is really going to be willing to waive his NMC to play somewhere else when he chose the team he wanted to play for in FA and it's a goo team?

Marleau would accept a trade to a team that would buy him out so he could resign for close to league min with SJ or Toronto

 

[Edge]

Dubas has done more good than bad in Toronto, and Arizona just barely made the playoffs despite having two straight seasons of garbage injury problems.

But let's just **** on them because it makes us feel better, sure.

I think it’s more the raising of people as brilliant, when the results aren’t there to back it up.

When people hear about guys like Yzerman, or Dubas, and how they are supposedly the model of everything we should be doing, you can’t have that claim co-exist with first round exists and playoff flameouts.

It’s why you hear their names mentioned, and not some others.

 

[wafflepadsave]

2nd overall (Kakko) for Petterson is a mystery box scenario in itself. Adding the 10th overall and a 2020 1st rounder or 40th overall on top?

Bernmeister's craziest proposal in HF history has a better shot of happening than that deal.

Maybe. MAYBE. Vancouver is willing to do Petterson + 40th overall. I think that is actually a good enough deal that JG accepts. Adding in 10th? Double you tee eff.

This little tidbit is what I was referring to back a few pages.

 

[eco's bones]

He’s been their best player, so...

If you had a new to your team 32 year old player who will probably want at least 5 year $30mil + contract (and I may be low in that estimate) would you do that?---and he's not Benn, Seguin, Radulov, Klingberg or Heiskanen. Would you give him that kind of deal while at the same time giving upgrading next year's third to a second 1st round draft pick to the Rangers? Apparently Dallas is thinking of doing that but I would not do that. This is not to disparage Mats. I think he's a very good player but two first rounders is a lot to give up for him and that's a contract that can come back to haunt you.

If Dallas does sign him though--great.

Maybe Mats will even convince Henrik then--that maybe it's not so bad trying his luck with another team---though I don't think it's going to be easy for the Rangers to find another team willing to take a 37 year old Henrik with an $8.5 mil cap hit but maybe we could retain half.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Dubas has done more good than bad in Toronto, and Arizona just barely made the playoffs despite having two straight seasons of garbage injury problems.

But let's just **** on them because it makes us feel better, sure.

Or I'll shit on them for accomplishing nothing and building flawed teams. Probably that.
Dubas can't get past the 1st round and Chayka can't even get his team into the playoffs. Huge successes there...

 

[eco's bones]

Somehow got to think that the Maple Leafs are going to be moving on from Kadri this summer.

 

[bobbop]

If you had a new to your team 32 year old player who will probably want at least 5 year $30mil + contract (and I may be low in that estimate) would you do that?---and he's not Benn, Seguin, Radulov, Klingberg or Heiskanen. Would you give him that kind of deal while at the same time giving upgrading next year's third to a second 1st round draft pick to the Rangers? Apparently Dallas is thinking of doing that but I would not do that. This is not to disparage Mats. I think he's a very good player but two first rounders is a lot to give up for him and that's a contract that can come back to haunt you.

If Dallas does sign him though--great.

Maybe Mats will even convince Henrik then--that maybe it's not so bad trying his luck with another team---though I don't think it's going to be easy for the Rangers to find another team willing to take a 37 year old Henrik with an $8.5 mil cap hit but maybe we could retain half.

I don’t know about 5 X $6MM but 4 X $5.5 MM may get the job done. Dallas has Spezza’s $7MM coming off the cap next year.

 

[eco's bones]

I don’t know about 5 X $6MM but 4 X $5.5 MM may get the job done. Dallas has Spezza’s $7MM coming off the cap next year.

Maybe--but if I remember the sticking point with the Rangers is he wanted 5 years. The other thing is--as is right now he's worth a $6 mil deal and he'd given the Rangers a pretty good discount on his last contract.