Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIX

[SA16]

I would agree but every year we see a league full of GMs who sit on their asses until late Feb and then throw picks at guys for a few weeks. It’s mind numbingly stupid, but it’s an annual tradition.

They'll tell you it's like IMPOSSIBLE to make a trade in the NHL with the salary cap when it's largely just incompetence and risk aversion.

 

[effen]

Ristolainen or Trouba?

I actually like Risto.. Think he could develop ito a soild 2-3. Has the size we need

Risto is a much more physically talented Pionk.

 

[effen]

We can retain on Kreider and take back a contract.

the "contract" to take back would be five more years of Nikita Zaitsev

Marleau has a NTC, Muzzin and Kadri actually have value. It'd be Zaitsev. 5/22.5 still to go with a NMC incoming.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

the "contract" to take back would be five more years of Nikita Zaitsev

Marleau has a NTC, Muzzin and Kadri actually have value. It'd be Zaitsev.

Marleau may waive to come here (we'll suck but he'll have the added benefit of being able to pick his spot at the TDL) and there are other guys like Brown and Hyman.

 

[SA16]

the "contract" to take back would be five more years of Nikita Zaitsev

Marleau has a NTC, Muzzin and Kadri actually have value. It'd be Zaitsev. 5/22.5 still to go with a NMC incoming.

It'd probably be Connor Brown but he doesn't even make that much money.

Marleau may waive to come here (we'll suck but he'll have the added benefit of being able to pick his spot at the TDL) and there are other guys like Brown and Hyman.

I cannot understand why Marleau would accept any trade to pretty much any team. Do you really think a 40 year old who has been in the league for 21 years is really going to be willing to waive his NMC to play somewhere else when he chose the team he wanted to play for in FA and it's a goo team?

 

[Edge]

I would agree but every year we see a league full of GMs who sit on their asses until late Feb and then throw picks at guys for a few weeks. It’s mind numbingly stupid, but it’s an annual tradition.

In Kreider’s case, he’s somewhat unique. He’s 28, arguably at his peak, has the speed/size combo a lot of teams look for on the wings, and could cost as little at $2.3 million for the year.

Some options might give you one or two of those attributes, but to get all of them isn’t terribly common.

But I also think his value is to a team trying to get to the playoffs, as much as it is once they get there. If you’re a team on the cusp, or took a tumble this year, and you have some centers in place and want to get back to the postseason, I think Kreider is a guy who helps that cause.

I also think you can make the argument they lay an earlier trade benefits then as well. If it doesn’t work, he’s a TDL sale for them - and his haul is probably similar to Hayes this year. So for the acquiring team, there are certain safeguards in place.

Frankly, I also think this year's playoffs help our cause. There are going to be a lot teams wondering how far they might go if they get hot at the right time and end up with favorable matchups. But you gotta be in it to win it.

 

[effen]

It'd probably be Connor Brown but he doesn't even make that much money.



I cannot understand why Marleau would accept any trade to pretty much any team.

They'd push for Zaitsev. Zaitsev's an anchor.

 

[SA16]

They'd push for Zaitsev. Zaitsev's an anchor.

Yea Zaitsev's deal is too bad I can not see the Rangers taking that on as a cap dump by itself let alone part of a Kreider trade.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They'd push for Zaitsev. Zaitsev's an anchor.

Yeah if that were the case I'd have no issue passing.

I have zero interest in acquiring the RH Russian Staal.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Leafs are a perfect example of how NOT to build a team. Don’t add a high priced offensive UFA piece when you have major glaring issues elsewhere in your lineup.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Leafs are a perfect example of how NOT to build a team. Don’t add a high priced offensive UFA piece when you have major glaring issues elsewhere in your lineup.

They’ll trade Nylander for a defenseman now (they should’ve traded him for Pietrangelo was on the table). They really need Kadri to not get suspended almost immediately too

 

[TheBloodyNine]

They’ll trade Nylander for a defenseman now (they should’ve traded him for Pietrangelo was on the table). They really need Kadri to not get suspended almost immediately too

The fact that they signed him to that contract to begin with is ludicrous after they signed Tavares. He should have been traded for D help in the fall.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Leafs are a perfect example of how NOT to build a team. Don’t add a high priced offensive UFA piece when you have major glaring issues elsewhere in your lineup.

I think the bigger take aways are...

1. Don't neglect defense.
2. Unless you have Crosby and Malkin, that pond hockey shit doesn't lead it self to winning in the post season. Theres a reason why Babcock (who I'm not a huge fan of) wanted to diversify the lineup.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It'd probably be Connor Brown but he doesn't even make that much money.



I cannot understand why Marleau would accept any trade to pretty much any team. Do you really think a 40 year old who has been in the league for 21 years is really going to be willing to waive his NMC to play somewhere else when he chose the team he wanted to play for in FA and it's a goo team?

Exactly...Marleau isnt going anywhere even if everyone wants him gone

 

[Beacon]

I honestly think the ability to retain on Kreider is a hell of a selling point for a team who is on the fence about “going for it.”

Kevin Hayes with a few weeks on his contract brought back a first in the 20s and Lemieux.

Chris Kreider for a year, at half price, can bring back a significantly higher pick.

No.

A lower pick is owned by a team going for it. A higher pick is owned by a team that's rebuilding. It's not just what you offer, it's what the other team needs. Would you give up Chytil for any almost-UFA when we're rebuilding? Yeah, didn't think so. But if you were told you can improve your Cup odds from 15% to 35%, adios Filip!

It's hockey malpractice for Edmonton or Arizona to give up their first for Kreider. If their GM does it, he should be fired on the spot because hes trying to save his own job at the expense of the team.

More likely is another package like what we got for Hayes (non-lottery first plus a young guy with limited upside) and maybe another second round pick if we pick up salary.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

The fact that they signed him to that contract to begin with is ludicrous after they signed Tavares. He should have been traded for D help in the fall.

Like, I do get keeping him, because keeping him was a part of the pitch that hooked Tavares, but they also went out and got Muzzin. I think the real problem is their lineup is too samey and they can only really play well playing one style

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

No.

A lower pick is owned by a team going for it. A higher pick is owned by a team that's rebuilding. It's not just what you offer, it's what the other team needs. Would you give up Chytil for any almost-UFA when we're rebuilding? Yeah, didn't think so. But if you were told you can improve your Cup odds from 15% to 35%, adios Filip!

It's hockey malpractice for Edmonton or Arizona to give up their first for Kreider. If their GM does it, he should be fired on the spot because hes trying to save his own job at the expense of the team.

More likely is another package like what we got for Hayes (non-lottery first plus a young guy with limited upside) and maybe another second round pick if we pick up salary.

Arizona narrowly missed out on the playoffs and are bleeding money.

That call may not be coming from the GM.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Like, I do get keeping him, because keeping him was a part of the pitch that hooked Tavares, but they also went out and got Muzzin. I think the real problem is their lineup is too samey and they can only really play well playing one style

Plus Andersson is not a guy who is going to get it done in my opinion. Put a prime Henrik on this team, even a coming-out-of-his-prime Henrik and they win the whole thing.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Kadri?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Plus Andersson is not a guy who is going to get it done in my opinion. Put a prime Henrik on this team, even a coming-out-of-his-prime Henrik and they win the whole thing.

Definitely agree, he can be great when he’s on, but he’s too inconsistent

 

[I Eat Crow]

Skjei for Nylander, yea or neah?

No. I've been very unimpressed with Nylander this year.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I cannot understand why Marleau would accept any trade to pretty much any team. Do you really think a 40 year old who has been in the league for 21 years is really going to be willing to waive his NMC to play somewhere else when he chose the team he wanted to play for in FA and it's a goo team?

This is the guy that got the C taken away and got shifted down the line up. He never waived. He may have been willing to for us back when we contended every year, but those days are gone. I cannot imagine he waives to lose with our scrubs. He has pride and thinks he can help the Leafs with play, not free cap space.

 

[Avery16]

With this scenario--essentially Dallas gives up two 1st round picks in successive years for a 32 year old second line wing for how much $'s and at how long a term? Great for us if all that happens but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If anyone were to have said to me at the deadline that Zuccarello was going to bring back two 1st round picks--I would have said to them GTFO!

He’s been their best player, so...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

No. I've been very unimpressed with Nylander this year.

He was basically playing catch up the entire season.

He's better than this. With out 2OA I'd stay away but with it I'd welcome him. That said, I don't think we're good trading partners with Toronto. Someone with an expendable RHD will probably snag him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He’s been their best player, so...

Lol he hasn't even been top 5.

Benn, Radulov, Seguin, Heiskanen and Lindell have all been better.

Bishop too.