Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[SA16]

no other league even allows trades post deadline. its not outdated

The MLB did until just last year so it is most certainly outdated.

It's a terrible rule. Making an exception makes sense and then it should be revised in the offseason. Why should a player be banned from playing the remainder of the season due to no fault of his own? These rules are not that rigid. They can make changes when they want.

 

[Leetch3]

the rule doesn't need to be changed. vegas just needs to not be morons. they acquired jack eichel on Nov 4th and were talking to buffalo for who knows how long before that...their cap situation wasn't suddenly a surprise yesterday. they had months to get it resolved and waited until after the deadline expired hoping to get a better deal. if they had traded dadonov a day earlier, when the trade got blocked they would have still had time to make a deal with a team on his list.

 

[SA16]

the rule doesn't need to be changed. vegas just needs to not be morons. they acquired jack eichel on Nov 4th and were talking to buffalo for who knows how long before that...their cap situation wasn't suddenly a surprise yesterday. they had months to get it resolved and waited until after the deadline expired hoping to get a better deal. if they had traded dadonov a day earlier, when the trade got blocked they would have still had time to make a deal with a team on his list.

None of that has anything to do with the fact a player can be traded after the deadline and then be deemed ineligible for the rest of the season when he did nothing wrong. If a rule makes it such that a player can't play the rule is broken and should be revised. There is a very obvious solution which is just than the deadline is...the deadline. You can't make any deals between the deadline and some arbitrary date such as the day after the SCF concludes.

 

[TheBPA]

None of that has anything to do with the fact a player can be traded after the deadline and then be deemed ineligible for the rest of the season when he did nothing wrong. If a rule makes it such that a player can't play the rule is broken and should be revised. There is a very obvious solution which is just than the deadline is...the deadline. You can't make any deals between the deadline and some arbitrary date such as the day after the SCF concludes.

The rule as it currently is written punishes the player. Why? That achieves absolutely nothing.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Could they make a handshake agreement to put him on waivers, have the team claim him and agree to some sort of draft pick trade later on say a 4th and a 5th for a 2nd or something?

 

[IDvsEGO]

The rule as it currently is written punishes the player. Why? That achieves absolutely nothing.

The rule makes it so that a player can have some sense of security after a point. If they can play after trade deadline, there is no trade deadline.

 

[Lays]

Could they make a handshake agreement to put him on waivers, have the team claim him and agree to some sort of draft pick trade later on say a 4th and a 5th for a 2nd or something?

NHL might block that trade and things can escalate to the point where they might be restricted from dealing to prevent sneaky business

 

[TheBPA]

The rule makes it so that a player can have some sense of security after a point. If they can play after trade deadline, there is no trade deadline.

The rule doesn’t provide security because you can still be traded, you just can’t play. Vegas will still trade dadonov if they can. If they trade him to Arizona, what then? He just has to go home and miss the last 15 games while perfectly healthy while Vegas gets what they want?

If they can’t play in the playoffs only I would understand it. To extend that to regular season games makes no sense.

It’s already not a hard deadline if you can make some form of trade after it. You are talking about a truly hard deadline where no trades at all can take place, which would be fine. But that’s not what the rule is.

 

[Boris Zubov]

The rule doesn’t provide security because you can still be traded, you just can’t play. Vegas will still trade dadonov if they can. If they trade him to Arizona, what then? He just has to go home and miss the last 15 games while perfectly healthy while Vegas gets what they want?

If they can’t play in the playoffs only I would understand it. To extend that to regular season games makes no sense.

It’s already not a hard deadline if you can make some form of trade after it. You are talking about a truly hard deadline where no trades at all can take place, which would be fine. But that’s not what the rule is.

Can't see Arizona trading for him, then paying him $1M to stay home til September. Then having to pay him $6.5M in real dollars for next season. They could possibly move him during the summer while retaining money, but their owner seems to be saving his nickels & dimes to finance a new arena.

 

[CommaSynapse]

I'm just looking forward to a healthy NYR team.

Lots of options...cut Strome and keep the others.

Kreider - Zib - Laf
Panarin - Copp - Kakko
Chytil - Goodrow - Vatrano
Blais - Rooney - Motte/Reaves

 

[IDvsEGO]

The rule doesn’t provide security because you can still be traded, you just can’t play. Vegas will still trade dadonov if they can. If they trade him to Arizona, what then? He just has to go home and miss the last 15 games while perfectly healthy while Vegas gets what they want?

If they can’t play in the playoffs only I would understand it. To extend that to regular season games makes no sense.

It’s already not a hard deadline if you can make some form of trade after it. You are talking about a truly hard deadline where no trades at all can take place, which would be fine. But that’s not what the rule is.

if he cant play then he's not practicing, and if hes not practicing, he's not moving.
hence security.

 

[Daves a mess]

I'm just looking forward to a healthy NYR team.

Lots of options...cut Strome and keep the others.

Kreider - Zib - Laf
Panarin - Copp - Kakko
Chytil - Goodrow - Vatrano
Blais - Rooney - Motte/Reaves

Cut Strome? Like with a knife?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Cut Strome? Like with a knife?

Hundreds of paper cuts.

 

[bobbop]

I’ll take a first and take the contract whether he can play or not. I’d just need to see his no trade list and figure out where he goes next.

Weapon that cap space.

 

[bobbop]

The rule doesn’t provide security because you can still be traded, you just can’t play. Vegas will still trade dadonov if they can. If they trade him to Arizona, what then? He just has to go home and miss the last 15 games while perfectly healthy while Vegas gets what they want?

If they can’t play in the playoffs only I would understand it. To extend that to regular season games makes no sense.

It’s already not a hard deadline if you can make some form of trade after it. You are talking about a truly hard deadline where no trades at all can take place, which would be fine. But that’s not what the rule is.

Think Arizona may be on his no trade list?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Hoping we can re-sign Motte. I think him and Blais would be absolutely destructive together. Put Goodrow between them and use them as a hard banging shutdown third line that can chip in some goals.

Kreider-Zbad-Laf
Panarin-Copp-Kakko
Motte-Goodrow-Blais
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves

Not sure if this works cap wise. Or if Copp would work at 2C. Or if our bottom 6 will generate enough offense.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I’ll take a first and take the contract whether he can play or not. I’d just need to see his no trade list and figure out where he goes next.

Weapon that cap space.

I overall like what pizza boy did this deadline. But, I think there could have been opportunities to utilize our cap space by helping some teams out with shitty contracts. Hell, even if it was for just a couple of 4th rounders, it’s completely worth it.

Then again, I’m just some moron sitting on his couch assuming these scenarios were possible during the deadline. I’m sure Drury would have taken advantage of them if they were. Still sucks having the cap space we have now and not being able to convert that into some type of capital.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Ok it's time for Gallant to stop his Timothy Leary and experimenting.

In no world should Dryden Hunt be on a third line or Nemeth/Braun ever be a thing again.

Also for anyone who thinks Reaves is going to be a healthy scratch in the playoffs, not happening. He has been through the wars with this coaching staff.

Finally can we put the Jessie Cofield Draftkings commercials on waivers? They are the worst series of commercials in five years. Her "hockey speak" one is so bad it's offensive to modern society.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Hoping we can re-sign Motte. I think him and Blais would be absolutely destructive together. Put Goodrow between them and use them as a hard banging shutdown third line that can chip in some goals.

Kreider-Zbad-Laf
Panarin-Copp-Kakko
Motte-Goodrow-Blais
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves

Not sure if this works cap wise. Or if Copp would work at 2C. Or if our bottom 6 will generate enough offense.

That bottom 6 would score about 20 goals combined

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Ok it's time for Gallant to stop his Timothy Leary and experimenting.

In no world should Dryden Hunt be on a third line or Nemeth/Braun ever be a thing again.

Also for anyone who thinks Reaves is going to be a healthy scratch in the playoffs, not happening. He has been through the wars with this coaching staff.

Finally can we put the Jessie Cofield Draftkings commercials on waivers? They are the worst series of commercials in five years. Her "hockey speak" one is so bad it's offensive to modern society.

Timothy Leary? I had no idea Gallant was feeding prisoners government grade LSD and reading to them from the Tibetan Book of the Dead to see if he can lower the recidivism rate.

 

[Ola]

So if Bettman grants Vegas and Dadonov an exception, how long before TML starts trading players with NTCs to no-go teams at the deadline just to buy some more time negotiate after it?

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers were interested in Calle Jarnkrok. They made an offer to Seattle. Calgary gave a 2nd, 3rd and 7th for Jarnkrok.

22. By my count, Arizona, Montreal and Seattle have 20 of the 2022 draft’s first 76 picks.

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Arizona has two late #1 picks. Carolina's pick through Montreal for Christian Dvorak and Colorado's pick for Darcy Keumper.

Arizona has their 2nd, the Flyers 2nd, SJ's 2nd and the Islanders 2nd. They traded Vancouver's 2nd to Minnesota for Jack McBain. The worst 2nd round pick of the group went to Vancouver.

If the Rangers don't reach the ECF with Andrew Copp playing 50% of their games, the Rangers could trade down and pick up a couple of seconds. Arizona would the team to target but they already have two late first round picks. All of the Arizona picks belong to non-playoff teams.

If Winnipeg gets a 2nd this year from the Rangers, they could pick the 2nd in 2023 instead of the Blues 2nd this year.

It's crazy to see Arizona with so many draft picks. They can't keep all of them. It's considered to be a below-average to average draft. Does Arizona trade those picks for established players? They will playing in a small college building for the foreseeable .Arizona is still the bad contract business and trying to just reach the floor.

The Rangers could business with them in the future when Chris Drury looks to dump Patrick Nemeth's contract. What are Drury's plans for Vitali Kravtsov? Arizona has so many 2nd round picks and they need players.

 

[Ola]

What happens with Kravtsov when Traktor's season is over? They are at 2-2, could be in a week or a little while. Won't be any Russian National Team play this spring. If he wants to play in NA -- and I bet his dad is saying that he should -- going to the AHL and playing well will improve his chances of getting traded.

Kravstov has played fantastic in the KHL lately. He is a very talented player and doesn't have major issues on the ice, like we saw during his last stint in the NHL.

We have had problems developing a 1st and 2nd overall pick because we haven't found them ice time on the PP. We don't, and never really had, much room for Kravstov. I am all for giving someone a second chance, but I don't see it happening in NY.

 

[NYR Viper]

Does Vegas need to shed the entire Dadonov contract or could they retain? I wonder if a 3rd team could eat some cap. If yes, and the Rangers could get the player for $3m or under, I’d consider it for a 1st

 

[Synergy27]

Dadonov from Chelyabinsk eh? Would his presence have any effect on VK’s situation you think? Do they know each other?

Also, I wonder why Anaheim was on his list? Do we think it’s cost of living/taxes? If so, is it likely NY is on that list too?