Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[IDvsEGO]

Wait really? Wow. I thought it just meant the player couldn’t be activated off of LTIR.

the nhl has been clear healthy players cant sit on ltir. they tried to activate martinez, which says healthy

 

[bl02]

Yep.

$5M per at 5 or 6 years for Copp. I read Evolving Hockey's model had Copp at $5M AAV in a long term contract.

Strome is asking for $6M?$6.5M? Brooks said the Rangers want the number to start with a 5. Let him walk.

Why isn't Copp getting the Bennett contract? why do we have to overpay for almost every player?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Why isn't Copp getting the Bennett contract? why do we have to overpay for almost every player?

Bennet's taxes would look a lot different than Copp's if he re-signed here.

 

[bl02]

Bennet's taxes would look a lot different than Copp's if he re-signed here.

Ok so give him 4.85 X 4 years that should cover the state tax issue. Unfortunately NY is a bit more expensive than southern florida but it is what it is.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Ok so give him 4.85 X 4 years that should cover the state tax issue. Unfortunately NY is a bit more expensive than southern florida but it is what it is.

That's not really a huge raise on what he's making now. He's gonna come in at over 5 unless the years are significantly more, like 7.

 

[UnSandvich]

If he was a pending UFA sure, but he has another year on his contract. We can't afford his $5M cap hit next season.

ahhh, didn't realize that. Well scratch that plan then

 

[bl02]

That's not really a huge raise on what he's making now. He's gonna come in at over 5 unless the years are significantly more, like 7.

Yuck Not giving him 7 years. 4 concussions maybe more. 4-5 years should be the max preferably 4.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Yuck Not giving him 7 years. 4 concussions maybe more. 4-5 years should be the max preferably 4.

More years, less hit. Less years, bigger hit. That's what it's going to come down to.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Not a definitive answer by any means

 

[bl02]

More years, less hit. Less years, bigger hit. That's what it's going to come down to.

I realize that's how it works but Sam Bennett should be Comparable contract. I realize Copp is a bit older so he may want a longer term but we need to stop overpaying for some of these players.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Why isn't Copp getting the Bennett contract? why do we have to overpay for almost every player?

Its a fair question, given near identical stats. Copp was a 4th rd draft pick, Bennett a top 10 pick and a year younger.
One thing to remember is that the bennett deal includes one RFA year, that brings the AAV down.
Copp would be a full UFA deal.

 

[duhmetreE]

I could see him taking 3-4 year deal. Waiting for escrow to go down and the cap to take off.

Assuming he'd bet on himself and that his play would continue into his 30's.

 

[bl02]

Its a fair question, given near identical stats. Copp was a 4th rd draft pick, Bennett a top 10 pick and a year younger.
I think the difference is purely state taxes.

Yep and Bennett last three playoffs almost a point per game. Totally fine going 4.8-5 million just not giving Copp 6 million X 5 or 6 years. This guy isn't even a high end 2c.

 

[bl02]

I could see him taking 3-4 year deal. Waiting for escrow to go down and the cap to take off.

Assuming he'd bet on himself and that his play would continue into his 30's.

Works for both parties perfect. And he gets to play on a super competitive team that should continue to get better next 3-4 years

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I realize that's how it works but Sam Bennett should be Comparable contract. I realize Copp is a bit older so he may want a longer term but we need to stop overpaying for some of these players.

That's how UFA works, which is why the Rangers need to avoid it as much as possible. Copp is going to get paid more than Bennet for a number of reasons. That's just the rub of UFA.

 

[bl02]

That's how UFA works, which is why the Rangers need to avoid it as much as possible. Copp is going to get paid more than Bennet for a number of reasons. That's just the rub of UFA.

Well if it's for anything substantially more (500-750k more or over 5 years) we can just simply NOT sign him. We can not overpay a close to 27-28 year old very good 3C.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Well if it's for anything substantially more (500-750k more or over 5 years) we can just simply NOT sign him. We can not overpay a close to 27-28 year old very good 3C.

I can guarantee you he is getting a raise that is far higher than that.

 

[bl02]

I can guarantee you he is getting a raise that is far higher than that.

Cool good for him not saying he isn't just saying what we should give him. Just like Strome will probably get 5.5 somewhere it just shouldn't be us.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He was driven away by some angry, immature butt holes. Some people don’t understand the concept that a rumor can be true and at the same time, not happen.

The most fair poster on here, unreal

 

[dshea19]

Until reporters ask why kids get punished for doing things that Strome does on a shift by shift basis, none of them are worth a thing.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Cool good for him not saying he isn't just saying what we should give him. Just like Strome will probably get 5.5 somewhere it just shouldn't be us.

I agree.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Until reporters ask why kids get punished for doing things that Strome does on a shift by shift basis, none of them are worth a thing.

They asked about Laf and got a non-answer out of Gallant. He doesn't say anything and he isn't going to. No point in asking if you're never going to get an answer.

 

[bobbop]

Looking at the Vegas situation with Dadonov, it seems like the deal will get voided, which means Vegas will have to do something else to clear cap space.

Any player they trade at this point can't play for their new team. I originally thought it was just in the playoffs that he couldn't play, but according to Mouser, who is very knowledgeable about these things, the player can't play even in the regular season.

So which team is going to take on Dadonov's contract and then not play him the rest of the year? I can't see any team doing that. He has another year left on a 5 mil cap hit, with 6.5 mil in actual money. Reilly Smith is a pending UFA, and he also has a 5 mil cap hit. Moving him out would clear the same amount of cap space as moving Dadonov. He also doesn't have any trade protection according to CapFriendly.

It would be a really shitty move on Vegas' part to trade him, since he will then be ineligible to play the rest of the year, but I don't know what other choice they have. Martinez is going to come off LTIR eventually and they have to make room for him.

So, it seems like Vegas will have to pay some team to take Smith. The Rangers could take on that contract in exchange for Vegas' 2nd this year, or 1st next year.

It may not end up playing out that way. The league might just penalize the shit out of Vegas and allow them to activate Martinez without first clearing cap space. That wouldn't be an ideal solution as it puts the integrity of the league into question, but it also doesn't screw over a player who has done absolutely nothing wrong. It's also possible that the league makes an exception and allows the traded player to still play for his new team. That would also put the integrity of the league into question, though I think to a lesser degree.

Another option, and the one that is likely most by the rules, would be to have Vegas forfeit every game once Martinez is activated, since they won't be cap compliant. It's a fitting scenario for Vegas, but gifting other teams free wins doesn't seem very fair. Vegas has 16 games left. I don't know when Martinez will have to come off LTIR, and they will likely stretch it as long as possible, but even if it's only 8 games that they forfeit, that's 8 free wins for teams that may be in a playoff race. They play Vancouver 3 times in their last 12 games. If all of those are forfeit, that greatly helps Vancouver's chances of making the playoffs.

It's a huge mess and I don't envy the NHL in figuring it out. Then again, they should have a system in place to ensure that no trade lists are registered with the league, and not just managed by the teams.

Vegas is not going to forfeit games.

C’mon man!

 

[effen]

Problem with Dadanov is the teams that would be happy to pay him not to play are the ones he's gonna have a NTC to.

If it were just this year you might get a taker, or he might take a vacation, but not for an entire year next year.

 

[dshea19]

They asked about Laf and got a non-answer out of Gallant. He doesn't say anything and he isn't going to. No point in asking if you're never going to get an answer.

I wouldn't ask about Laf directly. I would ask about the inconsistency related to other players. Strome is easy because he does something stupid easily 6 times a game. You could ask why other players have reduced ice time and roles when there are some who commit more egregious errors and see no reduction in time whatsoever. Then keep asking the question. He doesn't have to answer, but he does have to deal with the issue. I like Gallant. Every coach has an unhealthy loyalty to certain players. However, Strome needs to be loaded into a catapult and launched into the Sun.